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On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 16:04:06 -0400, John H
wrote: What a dumb bitch. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hilla...ry?id=50231518 The thing that makes her really sound stupider than she was is the fact that he had already broken the same law that regulates suppressors when he modified that gun he used to make it full auto. It is also true that a "silencer" is far from making a rifle "silent". It may work fairly well on subsonic bullets, particularly in .22 rf like Harry's but that is not a center fire rifle. Most of the people said they did not associate the sound with gunfire anyway. They thought it was part of the pyrotechnics show. It was the people being shot that made it apparent what was happening. |
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says... On 10/2/17 5:09 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 16:04:06 -0400, John H wrote: What a dumb bitch. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hilla...ry?id=50231518 The thing that makes her really sound stupider than she was is the fact that he had already broken the same law that regulates suppressors when he modified that gun he used to make it full auto. It is also true that a "silencer" is far from making a rifle "silent". It may work fairly well on subsonic bullets, particularly in .22 rf like Harry's but that is not a center fire rifle. Most of the people said they did not associate the sound with gunfire anyway. They thought it was part of the pyrotechnics show. It was the people being shot that made it apparent what was happening. I wasn't aware that the details of the weapons used were released. I did hear that one of the rifles was a .223 and another was a .308. Were either a true full auto, a bump-fire full auto, a full-auto made that way by modification? There were so many people pushed together in such a small space that specific accuracy probably was not a factor. It's nice to see reasonable gun nuts putting politics aside and just talking shop. Too bad the shooter can't weigh in. |
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On 10/2/2017 5:48 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/2/17 5:09 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 16:04:06 -0400, John H wrote: What a dumb bitch. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hilla...ry?id=50231518 The thing that makes her really sound stupider than she was is the fact that he had already broken the same law that regulates suppressors when he modified that gun he used to make it full auto. It is also true that a "silencer" is far from making a rifle "silent". It may work fairly well on subsonic bullets, particularly in .22 rf like Harry's but that is not a center fire rifle. Most of the people said they did not associate the sound with gunfire anyway. They thought it was part of the pyrotechnics show. It was the people being shot that made it apparent what was happening. I wasn't aware that the details of the weapons used were released. I did hear that one of the rifles was a .223 and another was a .308. Were either a true full auto, a bump-fire full auto, a full-auto made that way by modification? There were so many people pushed together in such a small space that specific accuracy probably was not a factor. As usual, the various media sources are rushing to be first with details and we probably will have to wait for a while before any of them are proven to be correct. Last I "heard" was the rifles used were AR-15 types that had been converted to fully automatic. Whatever they were, the videos that have been released sure sound like it was a fully automatic rifle. I also "heard" that he was armed with something like 10 rifles and 500 rounds of ammo. Here's what is strange though, (if correct). His brother is shocked and says the shooter was "not a gun nut" and only owned a few handguns. He had no knowledge of him owning multiple rifles, especially of the AR-15 variety. If that's true, what would possess a "non-gun nut" to learn how to modify an AR-15 for fully automatic operation? Did someone else do it for him and put him up to this horrific shooting? |
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On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 17:48:03 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/2/17 5:09 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 16:04:06 -0400, John H wrote: What a dumb bitch. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hilla...ry?id=50231518 The thing that makes her really sound stupider than she was is the fact that he had already broken the same law that regulates suppressors when he modified that gun he used to make it full auto. It is also true that a "silencer" is far from making a rifle "silent". It may work fairly well on subsonic bullets, particularly in .22 rf like Harry's but that is not a center fire rifle. Most of the people said they did not associate the sound with gunfire anyway. They thought it was part of the pyrotechnics show. It was the people being shot that made it apparent what was happening. I wasn't aware that the details of the weapons used were released. I did hear that one of the rifles was a .223 and another was a .308. Were either a true full auto, a bump-fire full auto, a full-auto made that way by modification? There were so many people pushed together in such a small space that specific accuracy probably was not a factor. === That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of course. Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the duration of fire. A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that. Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or opening windows. That would imply that the shooter blew out the windows from inside as he started his assault. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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On 10/2/2017 6:09 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 17:48:03 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/17 5:09 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 16:04:06 -0400, John H wrote: What a dumb bitch. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hilla...ry?id=50231518 The thing that makes her really sound stupider than she was is the fact that he had already broken the same law that regulates suppressors when he modified that gun he used to make it full auto. It is also true that a "silencer" is far from making a rifle "silent". It may work fairly well on subsonic bullets, particularly in .22 rf like Harry's but that is not a center fire rifle. Most of the people said they did not associate the sound with gunfire anyway. They thought it was part of the pyrotechnics show. It was the people being shot that made it apparent what was happening. I wasn't aware that the details of the weapons used were released. I did hear that one of the rifles was a .223 and another was a .308. Were either a true full auto, a bump-fire full auto, a full-auto made that way by modification? There were so many people pushed together in such a small space that specific accuracy probably was not a factor. === That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of course. Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the duration of fire. A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that. Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or opening windows. That would imply that the shooter blew out the windows from inside as he started his assault. I saw some media camera coverage of the hotel. Two windows were shattered with interior curtains seen blowing about. It's obvious he either smashed them or initially shot through them. |
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On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 18:07:54 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: His brother is shocked and says the shooter was "not a gun nut" and only owned a few handguns. He had no knowledge of him owning multiple rifles, especially of the AR-15 variety. If that's true, what would possess a "non-gun nut" to learn how to modify an AR-15 for fully automatic operation? Did someone else do it for him and put him up to this horrific shooting? === There are any number of YouTube videos that show exactly how to make the full auto mods to a 223 and they don't look all that difficult. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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- hide quoted text - On 10/2/2017 5:48 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/17 5:09 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 16:04:06 -0400, John H wrote: What a dumb bitch. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hilla...ry?id=50231518 The thing that makes her really sound stupider than she was is the fact that he had already broken the same law that regulates suppressors when he modified that gun he used to make it full auto. It is also true that a "silencer" is far from making a rifle "silent". It may work fairly well on subsonic bullets, particularly in .22 rf like Harry's but that is not a center fire rifle. Most of the people said they did not associate the sound with gunfire anyway. They thought it was part of the pyrotechnics show. It was the people being shot that made it apparent what was happening. I wasn't aware that the details of the weapons used were released. I did hear that one of the rifles was a .223 and another was a .308. Were either a true full auto, a bump-fire full auto, a full-auto made that way by modification? There were so many people pushed together in such a small space that specific accuracy probably was not a factor. As usual, the various media sources are rushing to be first with details and we probably will have to wait for a while before any of them are proven to be correct. Last I "heard" was the rifles used were AR-15 types that had been converted to fully automatic. Whatever they were, the videos that have been released sure sound like it was a fully automatic rifle. I also "heard" that he was armed with something like 10 rifles and 500 rounds of ammo. Here's what is strange though, (if correct). His brother is shocked and says the shooter was "not a gun nut" and only owned a few handguns. He had no knowledge of him owning multiple rifles, especially of the AR-15 variety. If that's true, what would possess a "non-gun nut" to learn how to modify an AR-15 for fully automatic operation? Did someone else do it for him and put him up to this horrific shooting? .... To me the audio "sounded" like an AK- slower than an AR. |
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On 10/2/2017 6:16 PM, Tim wrote:
5:08 PMMr. Luddite - hide quoted text - On 10/2/2017 5:48 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/17 5:09 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 16:04:06 -0400, John H wrote: What a dumb bitch. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hilla...ry?id=50231518 The thing that makes her really sound stupider than she was is the fact that he had already broken the same law that regulates suppressors when he modified that gun he used to make it full auto. It is also true that a "silencer" is far from making a rifle "silent". It may work fairly well on subsonic bullets, particularly in .22 rf like Harry's but that is not a center fire rifle. Most of the people said they did not associate the sound with gunfire anyway. They thought it was part of the pyrotechnics show. It was the people being shot that made it apparent what was happening. I wasn't aware that the details of the weapons used were released. I did hear that one of the rifles was a .223 and another was a .308. Were either a true full auto, a bump-fire full auto, a full-auto made that way by modification? There were so many people pushed together in such a small space that specific accuracy probably was not a factor. As usual, the various media sources are rushing to be first with details and we probably will have to wait for a while before any of them are proven to be correct. Last I "heard" was the rifles used were AR-15 types that had been converted to fully automatic. Whatever they were, the videos that have been released sure sound like it was a fully automatic rifle. I also "heard" that he was armed with something like 10 rifles and 500 rounds of ammo. Here's what is strange though, (if correct). His brother is shocked and says the shooter was "not a gun nut" and only owned a few handguns. He had no knowledge of him owning multiple rifles, especially of the AR-15 variety. If that's true, what would possess a "non-gun nut" to learn how to modify an AR-15 for fully automatic operation? Did someone else do it for him and put him up to this horrific shooting? ... To me the audio "sounded" like an AK- slower than an AR. Maybe it *was* an AK. Is there an AK-15? I am not a gun nut. |
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On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 17:48:03 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/2/17 5:09 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 16:04:06 -0400, John H wrote: What a dumb bitch. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hilla...ry?id=50231518 The thing that makes her really sound stupider than she was is the fact that he had already broken the same law that regulates suppressors when he modified that gun he used to make it full auto. It is also true that a "silencer" is far from making a rifle "silent". It may work fairly well on subsonic bullets, particularly in .22 rf like Harry's but that is not a center fire rifle. Most of the people said they did not associate the sound with gunfire anyway. They thought it was part of the pyrotechnics show. It was the people being shot that made it apparent what was happening. I wasn't aware that the details of the weapons used were released. I did hear that one of the rifles was a .223 and another was a .308. Were either a true full auto, a bump-fire full auto, a full-auto made that way by modification? There were so many people pushed together in such a small space that specific accuracy probably was not a factor. I have not heard anything but speculation, mostly by people who don't have a clue. One on the NBC "experts" was saying ther AR-15/M16 was a derivative of the M1 and implied they shot the same ammo. That is why I am not listening to any of that until we actually see pictures of the guns used and get ballistics from the bullets. In the end, it is really not that important anyway. The tragedy is not changed much either way. |
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On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 18:20:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: Maybe it *was* an AK. Is there an AK-15? I am not a gun nut. Not really The AK74 (not 47) shoots a similar round but not exactly the same. They typically have an orange magazine like the one OBL was seen with. They also make an AR that shoots 7.62x39 (the AK round) There is plenty of cross pollination. |
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What a dumb bitch. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hilla...ry?id=50231518 She assumes the police are 30 seconds away at all times. Dumb assumption. |
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 19:30:18 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400, wrote: That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of course. Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the duration of fire. A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that. Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or opening windows. That would imply that the shooter blew out the windows from inside as he started his assault. They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs. He broke out the windows. This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been an ex millionaire. He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino. === He had already been there since Thursday so the "bad night" scenario seems less likely to me. Unless he left a note or internet screed it's going to be difficult to figure out exactly what his issues were. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/2/2017 6:09 PM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 17:48:03 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/17 5:09 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 16:04:06 -0400, John H wrote: What a dumb bitch. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hilla...ry?id=50231518 The thing that makes her really sound stupider than she was is the fact that he had already broken the same law that regulates suppressors when he modified that gun he used to make it full auto. It is also true that a "silencer" is far from making a rifle "silent". It may work fairly well on subsonic bullets, particularly in .22 rf like Harry's but that is not a center fire rifle. Most of the people said they did not associate the sound with gunfire anyway. They thought it was part of the pyrotechnics show. It was the people being shot that made it apparent what was happening. I wasn't aware that the details of the weapons used were released. I did hear that one of the rifles was a .223 and another was a .308. Were either a true full auto, a bump-fire full auto, a full-auto made that way by modification? There were so many people pushed together in such a small space that specific accuracy probably was not a factor. === That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of course. Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the duration of fire. A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that. Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or opening windows. That would imply that the shooter blew out the windows from inside as he started his assault. I saw some media camera coverage of the hotel. Two windows were shattered with interior curtains seen blowing about. It's obvious he either smashed them or initially shot through them. I read that he had a hammer - or something similar. Why he thought about that ahead of time and didn't shoot out the windows is odd. |
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On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400, wrote: That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of course. Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the duration of fire. A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that. Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or opening windows. That would imply that the shooter blew out the windows from inside as he started his assault. They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs. He broke out the windows. This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been an ex millionaire. He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino. We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists. |
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On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 20:13:16 -0400, Alex wrote:
I read that he had a hammer - or something similar. Why he thought about that ahead of time and didn't shoot out the windows is odd. Those windows have a plastic inner layer between 2 sheets of tempered class so shooting them just pokes holes in them and spider webs the glass. There is a show on the Outdoor Channel where a guy tries to duplicate things you see in movies and they did the Die Hard, "shoot the window with a 9mm and try to break it out" thing. It was under whelming how little damage the Beretta did. The window eventually broke when he used an HK MP5 (not how it was in the movie) but it was because it was so destabilized that it came out of the frame, in one piece. The right tool is probably an axe or hatchet that can cut the membrane while breaking the glass. |
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On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 20:45:59 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400, wrote: That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of course. Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the duration of fire. A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that. Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or opening windows. That would imply that the shooter blew out the windows from inside as he started his assault. They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs. He broke out the windows. This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been an ex millionaire. He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino. We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists. I agree the wall is stupid. The 911 gang came in with visas. Now the muslim ban might have slowed them down. ;-) |
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On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 18:20:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Maybe it *was* an AK. Is there an AK-15? I am not a gun nut. Not really The AK74 (not 47) shoots a similar round but not exactly the same. They typically have an orange magazine like the one OBL was seen with. They also make an AR that shoots 7.62x39 (the AK round) There is plenty of cross pollination. The original AR was a .308 based weapon. AR10. |
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On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400, wrote: That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of course.* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the duration of fire.* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that. Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or opening windows.* That would imply that the shooter blew out the windows from inside as he started his assault. They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs. He broke out the windows. This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been an ex millionaire. He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino. We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists. They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on native-borns. ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions. You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback every attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats. |
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On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400, wrote: That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of course.* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the duration of fire.* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that. Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or opening windows.* That would imply that the shooter blew out the windows from inside as he started his assault. They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs. He broke out the windows. This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been an ex millionaire. He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino. We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists. They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on native-borns.* ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions. You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback every attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats. The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good place to start and, yes, *every* means every. |
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On 10/2/17 7:45 PM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 18:20:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Maybe it *was* an AK. Is there an AK-15? I am not a gun nut. Not really The AK74 (not 47) shoots a similar round but not exactly the same. They typically have an orange magazine like the one OBL was seen with. They also make an AR that shoots 7.62x39 (the AK round) There is plenty of cross pollination. Like Joseph's coat, AK magazines come in many colors. Like Krause, cowards come in only one color. Yella. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 10/3/2017 8:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400, wrote: That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of course.* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the duration of fire.* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that. Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or opening windows.* That would imply that the shooter blew out the windows from inside as he started his assault. They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs. He broke out the windows. This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been an ex millionaire. He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino. We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists. They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on native-borns.* ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions. You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback every attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats. The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good place to start and, yes, *every* means every. I am definitely in favor of mandatory, universal background checks for firearm purchases. I know others disagree but I think it's only commonsense. Like most complex issues in a diversified society, some level of compromise is required to advance the welfare and safety of the whole. |
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On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:17:08 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400, wrote: That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of course.* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the duration of fire.* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that. Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or opening windows.* That would imply that the shooter blew out the windows from inside as he started his assault. They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs. He broke out the windows. This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been an ex millionaire. He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino. We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists. They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on native-borns.* ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions. You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback every attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats. The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good place to start and, yes, *every* means every. Just think, it will only take 49 more assholes like the one in Vegas to equal what a few muslims did in NY on the morning of 9-11. I don't really disagree about background checks, but it wouldn't have stopped what happened in Vegas. |
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On 10/3/2017 9:17 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:17:08 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400, wrote: That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of course.* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the duration of fire.* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that. Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or opening windows.* That would imply that the shooter blew out the windows from inside as he started his assault. They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs. He broke out the windows. This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been an ex millionaire. He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino. We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists. They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on native-borns.* ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions. You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback every attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats. The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good place to start and, yes, *every* means every. Just think, it will only take 49 more assholes like the one in Vegas to equal what a few muslims did in NY on the morning of 9-11. I don't really disagree about background checks, but it wouldn't have stopped what happened in Vegas. I agree but if a universal background check system could stop even *one* of these events from happening, it would be worth it. A background check is really not an inconvenience. |
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On 10/3/2017 9:23 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:17:08 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400, wrote: That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of course.* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the duration of fire.* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that. Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or opening windows.* That would imply that the shooter blew out the windows from inside as he started his assault. They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs. He broke out the windows. This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been an ex millionaire. He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino. We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists. They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on native-borns.* ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions. You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback every attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats. The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good place to start and, yes, *every* means every. Just think, it will only take 49 more assholes like the one in Vegas to equal what a few muslims did in NY on the morning of 9-11. I don't really disagree about background checks, but it wouldn't have stopped what happened in Vegas. Virtually all the 9-11 terrorists were not from countries on DumbTrump’s “banned” list. This is not 2001 Harry. It's 2017, terrorists exist throughout the planet and the threats have multiplied. |
Hillary is wasting no time!
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 08:19:39 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 10/2/17 7:45 PM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 18:20:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Maybe it *was* an AK. Is there an AK-15? I am not a gun nut. Not really The AK74 (not 47) shoots a similar round but not exactly the same. They typically have an orange magazine like the one OBL was seen with. They also make an AR that shoots 7.62x39 (the AK round) There is plenty of cross pollination. Like Joseph's coat, AK magazines come in many colors. Like Krause, cowards come in only one color. Yella. Harry and the Yellow Color Dreamcoat. |
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On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 06:17:44 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:17:08 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400, wrote: That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of course.* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the duration of fire.* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that. Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or opening windows.* That would imply that the shooter blew out the windows from inside as he started his assault. They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs. He broke out the windows. This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been an ex millionaire. He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino. We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists. They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on native-borns.* ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions. You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback every attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats. The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good place to start and, yes, *every* means every. Just think, it will only take 49 more assholes like the one in Vegas to equal what a few muslims did in NY on the morning of 9-11. I don't really disagree about background checks, but it wouldn't have stopped what happened in Vegas. And in Chicago we get almost 15 times as many killings every year with the toughest gun laws in the nation and almost nothing is said. Of course, if you have your felony-free girlfriend buy a gun for you, then you won't get caught in a background check. From what I've heard this guy had around a dozen weapons in the room and another bunch at home. I wonder if they were all purchased without background checks. I doubt it. |
Hillary is wasting no time!
On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:34:38 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/3/2017 9:17 AM, Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:17:08 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400, wrote: That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of course.* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the duration of fire.* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that. |
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On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 20:03:20 -0400, Alex wrote:
John H wrote: What a dumb bitch. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hilla...ry?id=50231518 She assumes the police are 30 seconds away at all times. Dumb assumption. I see from the earlier posts in the thread that Krause is already trying to tie Trump into this mess. He and Hillary belong in the same padded room. |
Hillary is wasting no time!
On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:43:50 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 06:17:44 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:17:08 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400, wrote: That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of course.* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the duration of fire.* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that. Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or opening windows.* That would imply that the shooter blew out the windows from inside as he started his assault. They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs. He broke out the windows. This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been an ex millionaire. He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino. We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists. They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on native-borns.* ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions. You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback every attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats. The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good place to start and, yes, *every* means every. Just think, it will only take 49 more assholes like the one in Vegas to equal what a few muslims did in NY on the morning of 9-11. I don't really disagree about background checks, but it wouldn't have stopped what happened in Vegas. And in Chicago we get almost 15 times as many killings every year with the toughest gun laws in the nation and almost nothing is said. Of course, if you have your felony-free girlfriend buy a gun for you, then you won't get caught in a background check. From what I've heard this guy had around a dozen weapons in the room and another bunch at home. I wonder if they were all purchased without background checks. I doubt it. The news has already said that he purchased many from a local gun shop. That included a background check. |
Hillary is wasting no time!
On 10/3/2017 9:44 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:34:38 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/3/2017 9:17 AM, Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:17:08 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400, wrote: That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of course.* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the duration of fire.* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that. Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or opening windows.* That would imply that the shooter blew out the windows from inside as he started his assault. They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs. He broke out the windows. This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been an ex millionaire. He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino. We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists. They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on native-borns.* ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions. You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback every attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats. The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good place to start and, yes, *every* means every. Just think, it will only take 49 more assholes like the one in Vegas to equal what a few muslims did in NY on the morning of 9-11. I don't really disagree about background checks, but it wouldn't have stopped what happened in Vegas. I agree but if a universal background check system could stop even *one* of these events from happening, it would be worth it. A background check is really not an inconvenience. For it to really be effective HIPAA will have to be gutted. Right now someone can be bat-**** crazy and their "privacy" is protected. Buying and owning a firearm is a right and that right should be protected. However, owning a firearm constitutes assumption of responsibility as well. I have no problem with a requirement to waive any mental disability or competency records from the HIPAA privacy regulations if one chooses to purchase and own a firearm. It certainly doesn't mean that all of HIPAA has to be gutted. HIPAA is stupid in many ways anyway. Even a caretaker or next of kin can be barred from the details of a loved one's medical or mental condition or status. |
Hillary is wasting no time!
On 10/3/2017 9:46 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:43:50 AM UTC-4, John H wrote: On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 06:17:44 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:17:08 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400, wrote: That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of course.* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the duration of fire.* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that. Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or opening windows.* That would imply that the shooter blew out the windows from inside as he started his assault. They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs. He broke out the windows. This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been an ex millionaire. He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino. We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists. They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on native-borns.* ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions. You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback every attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats. The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good place to start and, yes, *every* means every. Just think, it will only take 49 more assholes like the one in Vegas to equal what a few muslims did in NY on the morning of 9-11. I don't really disagree about background checks, but it wouldn't have stopped what happened in Vegas. And in Chicago we get almost 15 times as many killings every year with the toughest gun laws in the nation and almost nothing is said. Of course, if you have your felony-free girlfriend buy a gun for you, then you won't get caught in a background check. From what I've heard this guy had around a dozen weapons in the room and another bunch at home. I wonder if they were all purchased without background checks. I doubt it. The news has already said that he purchased many from a local gun shop. That included a background check. He apparently had no criminal record. |
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On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 06:46:19 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:43:50 AM UTC-4, John H wrote: On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 06:17:44 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:17:08 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400, wrote: That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of course.* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the duration of fire.* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that. Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or opening windows.* That would imply that the shooter blew out the windows from inside as he started his assault. They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs. He broke out the windows. This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been an ex millionaire. He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino. We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists. They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on native-borns.* ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions. You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback every attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats. The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good place to start and, yes, *every* means every. Just think, it will only take 49 more assholes like the one in Vegas to equal what a few muslims did in NY on the morning of 9-11. I don't really disagree about background checks, but it wouldn't have stopped what happened in Vegas. And in Chicago we get almost 15 times as many killings every year with the toughest gun laws in the nation and almost nothing is said. Of course, if you have your felony-free girlfriend buy a gun for you, then you won't get caught in a background check. From what I've heard this guy had around a dozen weapons in the room and another bunch at home. I wonder if they were all purchased without background checks. I doubt it. The news has already said that he purchased many from a local gun shop. That included a background check. Personally, I couldn't care less if every gun transaction required a background check. I've yet to see where the background checks would have prevented any of these mass shootings, and I disagree with the 'saving even one life would make anything worth it' approach to regulation enactment. Look how many lives would be saved if the minimum driving license age was 21. |
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On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:53:33 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/3/2017 9:44 AM, Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:34:38 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/3/2017 9:17 AM, Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:17:08 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400, wrote: That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of course.* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the duration of fire.* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that. Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or opening windows.* That would imply that the shooter blew out the windows from inside as he started his assault. They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs. He broke out the windows. This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been an ex millionaire. He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino. We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists. They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on native-borns.* ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions.. You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback every attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats. The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good place to start and, yes, *every* means every. Just think, it will only take 49 more assholes like the one in Vegas to equal what a few muslims did in NY on the morning of 9-11. I don't really disagree about background checks, but it wouldn't have stopped what happened in Vegas. I agree but if a universal background check system could stop even *one* of these events from happening, it would be worth it. A background check is really not an inconvenience. For it to really be effective HIPAA will have to be gutted. Right now someone can be bat-**** crazy and their "privacy" is protected. Buying and owning a firearm is a right and that right should be protected. However, owning a firearm constitutes assumption of responsibility as well. I have no problem with a requirement to waive any mental disability or competency records from the HIPAA privacy regulations if one chooses to purchase and own a firearm. It certainly doesn't mean that all of HIPAA has to be gutted. There is a problem with that. We've already seen reports of activist doctors asking patients if they own guns, and if they do, refusing to treat them.. It wouldn't take much for a like-minded doctor to make a carefully worded entry on a patient's record that would put them on the "no-buy" list. How in the hell would you get cleared from that? HIPAA is stupid in many ways anyway. Even a caretaker or next of kin can be barred from the details of a loved one's medical or mental condition or status. Yes. |
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John H Wrote in message:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 06:46:19 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:43:50 AM UTC-4, John H wrote: On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 06:17:44 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:17:08 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400, wrote: That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of course. Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the duration of fire. A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that. Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or opening windows. That would imply that the shooter blew out the windows from inside as he started his assault. They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs. He broke out the windows. This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been an ex millionaire. He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino. We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists. They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on native-borns. ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions. You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback every attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats. The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good place to start and, yes, *every* means every. Just think, it will only take 49 more assholes like the one in Vegas to equal what a few muslims did in NY on the morning of 9-11. I don't really disagree about background checks, but it wouldn't have stopped what happened in Vegas. And in Chicago we get almost 15 times as many killings every year with the toughest gun laws in the nation and almost nothing is said. Of course, if you have your felony-free girlfriend buy a gun for you, then you won't get caught in a background check. From what I've heard this guy had around a dozen weapons in the room and another bunch at home. I wonder if they were all purchased without background checks. I doubt it. The news has already said that he purchased many from a local gun shop. That included a background check. Personally, I couldn't care less if every gun transaction required a background check. I've yet to see where the background checks would have prevented any of these mass shootings, and I disagree with the 'saving even one life would make anything worth it' approach to regulation enactment. Look how many lives would be saved if the minimum driving license age was 21. Look how many lives could be saved if these so called mental health professionals knew what they were doing. How many so called rehabilitated nut cases go on to commit murders or other sick crimes after they have been released? -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 08:17:04 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
*mandatory* background checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good place to start and, yes, *every* means every. This guy had a clean record with the cops so that was not the answer. |
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/3/2017 8:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400, wrote: That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of course.* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the duration of fire.* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that. Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or opening windows.* That would imply that the shooter blew out the windows from inside as he started his assault. They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs. He broke out the windows. This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been an ex millionaire. He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino. We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists. They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on native-borns.* ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions. You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback every attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats. The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good place to start and, yes, *every* means every. I am definitely in favor of mandatory, universal background checks for firearm purchases. I know others disagree but I think it's only commonsense. Like most complex issues in a diversified society, some level of compromise is required to advance the welfare and safety of the whole. The problem is criminals will not background check. They will buy stolen weapons. Gun shops are robbed, military arms are stolen. How many Chicago shootings are committed by weapons that have been bought legally? We really do not enforce gun laws, except on law abiding people. A lot of years ago there was an Armored Car robbery in Canada. Weapon was found, 105 recoilless rifle. People figured it would be easy to find the miscreants by tracing the rifle. Government comment. . . 105 recoilless rifles were never sold to the public, and they are easy to acquire. Biggest change over the years is the political correctness of treating crazy people. Hard to institutionalize them now. How many really nutty people have the people like Harry's spouse cured? What percentage? |
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