Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On 10/4/2017 11:36 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:15:18 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 20:31:49 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/3/2017 8:13 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 17:09:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/3/2017 12:14 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 09:34:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I agree but if a universal background check system could stop even *one*
of these events from happening, it would be worth it. A background
check is really not an inconvenience.

It is certainly not a problem for people at a dealer in the city but a
rancher in Montana might disagree if he just wants to give his son an
old gun.


I could accept and understand exceptions for in-family "gifts".

How about selling it to your neighbor?



Nope.

I don't know how it works in other states but here in MA a background
check is done when you apply for a permit. Once issued, it is good for
six years after which you apply for a renewal and a check is done again.

During the time you hold the permit a quick state check (via phone or
computer) is done by the FFL dealer whenever you purchase a firearm to
ensure the permit is still in good standing and has not been revoked for
any reason. Private sales may be made to other MA residents by going
on-line, providing both his and your permit numbers, the firearm type
and serial number and current addresses. If no issues, you are done and
the sale is legal.


What kind of permit are you speaking of. Can individuals make private sales without involving an FFL
holder, simply be going online and inputting the numbers?

That seems to be the loophole in the system. If you wanted to hide the
real transfer, you would just enter a few phony transactions.



You'd have to be a good guesser. The on-line systems checks for current
permit numbers versus names versus addresses. Sale isn't valid if
numbers don't match up.

When I moved I was required to send (by state law and by certified mail)
change of address forms to:

1. The police department in which the permit was issued.
2. The police department in the town I moved to.
3. The State of Massachusetts (some department that I've forgotten).

When I renew my permit it will be in the town to which I moved.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 13:01:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/4/2017 11:36 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:15:18 -0400, John H
wrote:


What kind of permit are you speaking of. Can individuals make private sales without involving an FFL
holder, simply be going online and inputting the numbers?

That seems to be the loophole in the system. If you wanted to hide the
real transfer, you would just enter a few phony transactions.



You'd have to be a good guesser. The on-line systems checks for current
permit numbers versus names versus addresses. Sale isn't valid if
numbers don't match up.

I wonder how "secret" that list is?
In a world where just about anything has been leaked to the web, I
can't imagine it would be hard for a serious criminal to get some
valid names and numbers.
The problem is, nobody would know until a gun was recovered and
traced. That assumes someone really wants to hide a gun's provenance.
Of course if you are a criminal, you just sell the gun and don't tell
anyone. It will usually move around in the black market for a while
before it pops up again at a crime scene or ends up in Boston Harbor
with a body or two on it.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On 10/4/2017 1:57 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 13:01:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/4/2017 11:36 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:15:18 -0400, John H
wrote:


What kind of permit are you speaking of. Can individuals make private sales without involving an FFL
holder, simply be going online and inputting the numbers?

That seems to be the loophole in the system. If you wanted to hide the
real transfer, you would just enter a few phony transactions.



You'd have to be a good guesser. The on-line systems checks for current
permit numbers versus names versus addresses. Sale isn't valid if
numbers don't match up.

I wonder how "secret" that list is?
In a world where just about anything has been leaked to the web, I
can't imagine it would be hard for a serious criminal to get some
valid names and numbers.
The problem is, nobody would know until a gun was recovered and
traced. That assumes someone really wants to hide a gun's provenance.
Of course if you are a criminal, you just sell the gun and don't tell
anyone. It will usually move around in the black market for a while
before it pops up again at a crime scene or ends up in Boston Harbor
with a body or two on it.



Heh. I know you love to find faults with just about any government rule
or regulation but the private sale system has been in operation here for
many years and seems to work well. You don't hear too many gun nut
issues originating out of MA.

Makes me wonder how you were able to handle being a building inspector.
All those codes, rules, regulations, etc. :-)

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 13:01:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/4/2017 11:36 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:15:18 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 20:31:49 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/3/2017 8:13 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 17:09:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/3/2017 12:14 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 09:34:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I agree but if a universal background check system could stop even *one*
of these events from happening, it would be worth it. A background
check is really not an inconvenience.

It is certainly not a problem for people at a dealer in the city but a
rancher in Montana might disagree if he just wants to give his son an
old gun.


I could accept and understand exceptions for in-family "gifts".

How about selling it to your neighbor?



Nope.

I don't know how it works in other states but here in MA a background
check is done when you apply for a permit. Once issued, it is good for
six years after which you apply for a renewal and a check is done again.

During the time you hold the permit a quick state check (via phone or
computer) is done by the FFL dealer whenever you purchase a firearm to
ensure the permit is still in good standing and has not been revoked for
any reason. Private sales may be made to other MA residents by going
on-line, providing both his and your permit numbers, the firearm type
and serial number and current addresses. If no issues, you are done and
the sale is legal.


What kind of permit are you speaking of. Can individuals make private sales without involving an FFL
holder, simply be going online and inputting the numbers?

That seems to be the loophole in the system. If you wanted to hide the
real transfer, you would just enter a few phony transactions.



You'd have to be a good guesser. The on-line systems checks for current
permit numbers versus names versus addresses. Sale isn't valid if
numbers don't match up.

When I moved I was required to send (by state law and by certified mail)
change of address forms to:

1. The police department in which the permit was issued.
2. The police department in the town I moved to.
3. The State of Massachusetts (some department that I've forgotten).

When I renew my permit it will be in the town to which I moved.


This is simply a permit to own a gun? Can anyone get such a permit, or is it restricted to those
with a 'special' need?

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 12:55:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/4/2017 10:15 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 20:31:49 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/3/2017 8:13 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 17:09:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/3/2017 12:14 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 09:34:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I agree but if a universal background check system could stop even *one*
of these events from happening, it would be worth it. A background
check is really not an inconvenience.

It is certainly not a problem for people at a dealer in the city but a
rancher in Montana might disagree if he just wants to give his son an
old gun.


I could accept and understand exceptions for in-family "gifts".

How about selling it to your neighbor?



Nope.

I don't know how it works in other states but here in MA a background
check is done when you apply for a permit. Once issued, it is good for
six years after which you apply for a renewal and a check is done again.

During the time you hold the permit a quick state check (via phone or
computer) is done by the FFL dealer whenever you purchase a firearm to
ensure the permit is still in good standing and has not been revoked for
any reason. Private sales may be made to other MA residents by going
on-line, providing both his and your permit numbers, the firearm type
and serial number and current addresses. If no issues, you are done and
the sale is legal.


What kind of permit are you speaking of. Can individuals make private sales without involving an FFL
holder, simply be going online and inputting the numbers?



In MA it's called a Class "A" Concealed Carry Permit. The Class A
permit allows you to own just about anything except a machine gun. As
I've mentioned before, it allows me to own high capacity mags as well.
Only problem is ... it's illegal buy one, transport one into the state
or have it shipped. But, I can own one. :-)

MA also had a Class "B" permit at the time I got my Class "A". It
didn't allow concealed carry and was basically for home defense and
transport to a shooting range only.

Then, there is a long gun permit for rifles and shotguns. These permits
are "shall issue" permits rather than "may issue" for the Class A and B
but subject also to a background check.

They even have permits for mace and pepper spray.

Yes, individuals can make private sales but only to another resident of
MA. A FFL is not required. The buyer must have a current permit (number
must be provided) for the type of firearm to be sold and the serial
number, make and model is required. Seller's info is also required.
You can fill out the form online and submit it. If no problem, a
receipt is issued.

I haven't sold (or purchased) a firearm in several years, so the private
sale rules may have changed or even been done away with. I have a
couple of handguns I'll probably never use again but I think I'll just
take them back to the FFL dealer and see what he'll give me for them.


I just looked at the requirements put out by the Cambridge, MA, police department. I'm surprised
that the ACLU, NAACP, Jesse Jackson, and all the liberals who complain about voter ID requirements
being 'racist' don't jump all over the requirements to get a LTC permit.

It would be interesting to see a racial breakout of how the LTC's are distributed in the state.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On 10/4/2017 3:34 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 13:01:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/4/2017 11:36 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:15:18 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 20:31:49 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/3/2017 8:13 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 17:09:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/3/2017 12:14 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 09:34:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I agree but if a universal background check system could stop even *one*
of these events from happening, it would be worth it. A background
check is really not an inconvenience.

It is certainly not a problem for people at a dealer in the city but a
rancher in Montana might disagree if he just wants to give his son an
old gun.


I could accept and understand exceptions for in-family "gifts".

How about selling it to your neighbor?



Nope.

I don't know how it works in other states but here in MA a background
check is done when you apply for a permit. Once issued, it is good for
six years after which you apply for a renewal and a check is done again.

During the time you hold the permit a quick state check (via phone or
computer) is done by the FFL dealer whenever you purchase a firearm to
ensure the permit is still in good standing and has not been revoked for
any reason. Private sales may be made to other MA residents by going
on-line, providing both his and your permit numbers, the firearm type
and serial number and current addresses. If no issues, you are done and
the sale is legal.


What kind of permit are you speaking of. Can individuals make private sales without involving an FFL
holder, simply be going online and inputting the numbers?

That seems to be the loophole in the system. If you wanted to hide the
real transfer, you would just enter a few phony transactions.



You'd have to be a good guesser. The on-line systems checks for current
permit numbers versus names versus addresses. Sale isn't valid if
numbers don't match up.

When I moved I was required to send (by state law and by certified mail)
change of address forms to:

1. The police department in which the permit was issued.
2. The police department in the town I moved to.
3. The State of Massachusetts (some department that I've forgotten).

When I renew my permit it will be in the town to which I moved.



This is simply a permit to own a gun? Can anyone get such a permit, or is it restricted to those
with a 'special' need?


It's not special but it's up to the town or city police chief as to what
type of permit you can get. He can also impose restrictions on it
if he is so inclined. That's the "may" issue part. For rifles and
shotguns MA is a "shall" issue state, assuming no issues with a
background check.

I have the Class A with no restrictions. I can carry concealed and, as
I've mentioned before, am permitted to own just about any firearm made
and large capacity magazines. Only exception is a sub-machine gun.
However, as previously mentioned, it doesn't mean anything because you
can't buy many guns or magazines over 10 round capacity anyway here.

For many years it was almost impossible for the average Joe to get a gun
permit in most of MA but people started suing towns, citing 2nd
Amendment rights and the towns started allowing permits to be issued
more freely. Still have to pass an FBI background check though.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 10:48:32 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 12:03:20 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 08:34:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I am definitely in favor of mandatory, universal background checks for
firearm purchases. I know others disagree but I think it's only
commonsense. Like most complex issues in a diversified society, some
level of compromise is required to advance the welfare and safety of the
whole.

That is some nice feel good legislation but most of the mass shooters
passed background checks and hard core criminals have other avenues
for getting the guns they want.
Although this guy would have had no problem filling out a Form 4 and
getting the FBI/BATF to sell him a stamp, it appears his machine guns
were illegally obtained/modified.
I heard some reports this morning saying he had a couple of "bump fire" stocks on AR's. At that point it's still a semi-auto with a stock that makes your finger hit the trigger much faster than you could do it manually.
I am really waiting for the actual facts but the fire did sound more
regular than I would expect from a bump fire stock. To be honest I
have never actually fired a gun like that. You can waste ammo faster
by just throwing it in the trash.
Ammo wasn't wasted. The gun nuttery worked quite well.
59 dead.
It that right, Kevin?

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

John H wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 19:33:50 -0400, Alex wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 10:48:32 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 12:03:20 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 08:34:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I am definitely in favor of mandatory, universal background checks for
firearm purchases. I know others disagree but I think it's only
commonsense. Like most complex issues in a diversified society, some
level of compromise is required to advance the welfare and safety of the
whole.

That is some nice feel good legislation but most of the mass shooters
passed background checks and hard core criminals have other avenues
for getting the guns they want.
Although this guy would have had no problem filling out a Form 4 and
getting the FBI/BATF to sell him a stamp, it appears his machine guns
were illegally obtained/modified.
I heard some reports this morning saying he had a couple of "bump fire" stocks on AR's. At that point it's still a semi-auto with a stock that makes your finger hit the trigger much faster than you could do it manually.
I am really waiting for the actual facts but the fire did sound more
regular than I would expect from a bump fire stock. To be honest I
have never actually fired a gun like that. You can waste ammo faster
by just throwing it in the trash.
Could have been a double tap trigger.
Bump stock.

That's what it turned out to be.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license. As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some territories that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On 10/5/2017 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license. As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some territories that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



I agree. True to form, Massachusetts doesn't recognize a permit from
any other state. Maybe if they changed their attitude, other states
would recognize a MA permit.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license. As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some territories that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that nutcase on
the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm is a
pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap an
AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on your
shopping trips to WalMart.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity
bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry
license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license.
As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some territories
that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts,
New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Rhode
Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that nutcase on
the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm is a
pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap an
AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on your
shopping trips to WalMart.


I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone like
the shooter in Las Vegas. I think, like me, he was referring more to
the legal ability to travel from state to state with a firearm without
fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink simply for having one in
his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you). Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry. Most often I don't. It all depends on where I am
going and who I have with me. I certainly don't find it to be a pain in
the ass. Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

Alex Wrote in message:
Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 10:48:32 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 12:03:20 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 08:34:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I am definitely in favor of mandatory, universal background checks for
firearm purchases. I know others disagree but I think it's only
commonsense. Like most complex issues in a diversified society, some
level of compromise is required to advance the welfare and safety of the
whole.

That is some nice feel good legislation but most of the mass shooters
passed background checks and hard core criminals have other avenues
for getting the guns they want.
Although this guy would have had no problem filling out a Form 4 and
getting the FBI/BATF to sell him a stamp, it appears his machine guns
were illegally obtained/modified.
I heard some reports this morning saying he had a couple of "bump fire" stocks on AR's. At that point it's still a semi-auto with a stock that makes your finger hit the trigger much faster than you could do it manually.
I am really waiting for the actual facts but the fire did sound more
regular than I would expect from a bump fire stock. To be honest I
have never actually fired a gun like that. You can waste ammo faster
by just throwing it in the trash.
Ammo wasn't wasted. The gun nuttery worked quite well.
59 dead.
It that right, Kevin?



He drinks seawater on a regular basis.
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On 10/5/17 8:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity
bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry
license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license.
As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some territories
that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland,
Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto
Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that nutcase
on the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm is
a pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap an
AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on your
shopping trips to WalMart.


I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone like
the shooter in Las Vegas.Â* I think, like me, he was referring more to
the legal ability to travel from state to state with a firearm without
fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink simply for having one in
his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you).Â* Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry.Â* Most often I don't.Â* It all depends on where I am
going and who I have with me.Â* I certainly don't find it to be a pain in
the ass.Â* Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.



Yeah, I know why people say they carry. You can drive from state to
state with an unloaded firearm in a case or box and not available for
ready use.

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On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 21:30:00 -0700 (PDT), RGrew176 wrote:

I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license. As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some territories that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.

Isn't it also strange that the states with the highest homicide urban areas, Maryland, Illinois,
District of Columbia, etc, are the ones in which reciprocity does not exist.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 08:11:17 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity
bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry
license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license.
As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some territories
that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts,
New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Rhode
Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that nutcase on
the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm is a
pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap an
AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on your
shopping trips to WalMart.


I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone like
the shooter in Las Vegas. I think, like me, he was referring more to
the legal ability to travel from state to state with a firearm without
fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink simply for having one in
his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you). Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry. Most often I don't. It all depends on where I am
going and who I have with me. I certainly don't find it to be a pain in
the ass. Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.


I think Harry was referring to this:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...ncealed-carry/

He's just not bragged about it much. Maybe it doesn't get dime-sized groupings at 25 yards like his
other pistols do.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On 10/5/2017 9:42 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 8:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity
bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry
license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license.
As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some
territories that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland,
Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto
Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that nutcase
on the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm
is a pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap
an AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on
your shopping trips to WalMart.


I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone
like the shooter in Las Vegas.Â* I think, like me, he was referring
more to the legal ability to travel from state to state with a firearm
without fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink simply for
having one in his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you).Â* Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry.Â* Most often I don't.Â* It all depends on where I am
going and who I have with me.Â* I certainly don't find it to be a pain
in the ass.Â* Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.



Yeah, I know why people say they carry. You can drive from state to
state with an unloaded firearm in a case or box and not available for
ready use.


My last read of the laws in some states says it's still confusing and
can be up to local cops to interpret. For example, you can "pass
through" New York with an unloaded handgun stored in a locked box in the
trunk or, as you say, not available for ready use. However, you
technically can not stop for anything other than short periods, (can't
overnight in a hotel) *and* you must be traveling from a state that
issued a permit *to* another state that recognizes your permit. Kinda
stupid because how does law enforcement know where you are traveling to?

On the entire east coast, the only state that recognizes a MA permit is
North Carolina. If stopped for some reason and my locked, unloaded gun
was discovered, I'd just say I was traveling the North Carolina.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On 10/5/2017 9:45 AM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 08:11:17 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity
bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry
license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license.
As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some territories
that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts,
New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Rhode
Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that nutcase on
the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm is a
pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap an
AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on your
shopping trips to WalMart.


I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone like
the shooter in Las Vegas. I think, like me, he was referring more to
the legal ability to travel from state to state with a firearm without
fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink simply for having one in
his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you). Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry. Most often I don't. It all depends on where I am
going and who I have with me. I certainly don't find it to be a pain in
the ass. Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.


I think Harry was referring to this:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...ncealed-carry/

He's just not bragged about it much. Maybe it doesn't get dime-sized groupings at 25 yards like his
other pistols do.



Ah. Now I know why he complains that for him carrying is a pain in the ass.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On 10/5/17 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 9:42 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 8:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or
reciprocity bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a
Concealed Carry license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers
license. As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some
territories that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland,
Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto
Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that
nutcase on the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm
is a pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap
an AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on
your shopping trips to WalMart.


I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone
like the shooter in Las Vegas.Â* I think, like me, he was referring
more to the legal ability to travel from state to state with a
firearm without fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink simply
for having one in his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you).Â* Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry.Â* Most often I don't.Â* It all depends on where I am
going and who I have with me.Â* I certainly don't find it to be a pain
in the ass.Â* Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.



Yeah, I know why people say they carry. You can drive from state to
state with an unloaded firearm in a case or box and not available for
ready use.


My last read of the laws in some states says it's still confusing and
can be up to local cops to interpret.Â* For example, you can "pass
through" New York with an unloaded handgun stored in a locked box in the
trunk or, as you say, not available for ready use.Â* However, you
technically can not stop for anything other than short periods, (can't
overnight in a hotel)Â* *and* you must be traveling from a state that
issued a permit *to* another state that recognizes your permit.Â* Kinda
stupid because how does law enforcement know where you are traveling to?

On the entire east coast, the only state that recognizes a MA permit is
North Carolina.Â* If stopped for some reason and my locked, unloaded gun
was discovered, I'd just say I was traveling the North Carolina.


I carry firearms in the trunk or in the back of the truck, which has a
locking lid. Not loaded, and I keep the mags and the ammo in a locked
box in the back of the cab. The mags are not loaded. I'm not concerned
about cop stops.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 14:59:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/4/2017 1:57 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 13:01:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/4/2017 11:36 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:15:18 -0400, John H
wrote:


What kind of permit are you speaking of. Can individuals make private sales without involving an FFL
holder, simply be going online and inputting the numbers?

That seems to be the loophole in the system. If you wanted to hide the
real transfer, you would just enter a few phony transactions.



You'd have to be a good guesser. The on-line systems checks for current
permit numbers versus names versus addresses. Sale isn't valid if
numbers don't match up.

I wonder how "secret" that list is?
In a world where just about anything has been leaked to the web, I
can't imagine it would be hard for a serious criminal to get some
valid names and numbers.
The problem is, nobody would know until a gun was recovered and
traced. That assumes someone really wants to hide a gun's provenance.
Of course if you are a criminal, you just sell the gun and don't tell
anyone. It will usually move around in the black market for a while
before it pops up again at a crime scene or ends up in Boston Harbor
with a body or two on it.



Heh. I know you love to find faults with just about any government rule
or regulation but the private sale system has been in operation here for
many years and seems to work well. You don't hear too many gun nut
issues originating out of MA.

Makes me wonder how you were able to handle being a building inspector.
All those codes, rules, regulations, etc. :-)


Bad example
They are enforceable rules but only if the person on the other end was
licensed and had a permit. If they chose to work without a license or
not have a permit, there was little I could do.

Actually in my job, the person doing the work was a government
employee most of the time so there was really nothing I could do but
try to talk them into doing the right thing. They could just say ****
you, never call me back for the reinspection and nothing bad happened
to them.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 08:11:17 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity
bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry
license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license.
As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some territories
that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts,
New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Rhode
Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that nutcase on
the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm is a
pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap an
AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on your
shopping trips to WalMart.


I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone like
the shooter in Las Vegas. I think, like me, he was referring more to
the legal ability to travel from state to state with a firearm without
fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink simply for having one in
his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you). Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry. Most often I don't. It all depends on where I am
going and who I have with me. I certainly don't find it to be a pain in
the ass. Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.


I am a gun guy but carrying a gun is always a pain in the ass. It just
reminds you that you should move to a safer place.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 09:42:09 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

You can drive from state to
state with an unloaded firearm in a case or box and not available for
ready use.

That works until you get up north.
There is no way to have a legal handgun in New York without a permit
from New York and it sounds the same in Massachusetts and New Jersey.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 10:10:32 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

I carry firearms in the trunk or in the back of the truck, which has a
locking lid. Not loaded, and I keep the mags and the ammo in a locked
box in the back of the cab. The mags are not loaded. I'm not concerned
about cop stops.

You should be. Is it just because you are an old white guy?

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On 10/5/17 11:57 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 10:10:32 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

I carry firearms in the trunk or in the back of the truck, which has a
locking lid. Not loaded, and I keep the mags and the ammo in a locked
box in the back of the cab. The mags are not loaded. I'm not concerned
about cop stops.

You should be. Is it just because you are an old white guy?


So far, at my advanced age, I haven't had any snarly encounters with
cops...in my lifetime.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 9:42 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 8:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity
bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry
license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license.
As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some
territories that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland,
Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto
Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that nutcase
on the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm
is a pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap
an AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on
your shopping trips to WalMart.


I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone
like the shooter in Las Vegas.Â* I think, like me, he was referring
more to the legal ability to travel from state to state with a firearm
without fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink simply for
having one in his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you).Â* Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry.Â* Most often I don't.Â* It all depends on where I am
going and who I have with me.Â* I certainly don't find it to be a pain
in the ass.Â* Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.



Yeah, I know why people say they carry. You can drive from state to
state with an unloaded firearm in a case or box and not available for
ready use.


My last read of the laws in some states says it's still confusing and
can be up to local cops to interpret. For example, you can "pass
through" New York with an unloaded handgun stored in a locked box in the
trunk or, as you say, not available for ready use. However, you
technically can not stop for anything other than short periods, (can't
overnight in a hotel) *and* you must be traveling from a state that
issued a permit *to* another state that recognizes your permit. Kinda
stupid because how does law enforcement know where you are traveling to?

On the entire east coast, the only state that recognizes a MA permit is
North Carolina. If stopped for some reason and my locked, unloaded gun
was discovered, I'd just say I was traveling the North Carolina.


New York, you can not possess an firearm without a license. Locked or not.
From what I read. California is extremely hard to get a CCL, but legal to
have an unloaded firearm in the vehicle in a locked case. Does not have to
be in trunk, as a big percentage of vehicles have no trunk. Vans and
pickups.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 09:42:09 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

You can drive from state to
state with an unloaded firearm in a case or box and not available for
ready use.

That works until you get up north.
There is no way to have a legal handgun in New York without a permit
from New York and it sounds the same in Massachusetts and New Jersey.


I seem to remember some competition shooter getting arrested in New York
for unlicensed pistol. He connecting flight was delayed and the airline
put him in a hotel. Pistols were in baggage.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On 10/5/2017 10:10 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 9:42 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 8:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or
reciprocity bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a
Concealed Carry license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers
license. As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some
territories that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland,
Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto
Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana
Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that
nutcase on the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm
is a pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap
an AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on
your shopping trips to WalMart.


I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone
like the shooter in Las Vegas.Â* I think, like me, he was referring
more to the legal ability to travel from state to state with a
firearm without fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink
simply for having one in his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you).Â* Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry.Â* Most often I don't.Â* It all depends on where I
am going and who I have with me.Â* I certainly don't find it to be a
pain in the ass.Â* Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.



Yeah, I know why people say they carry. You can drive from state to
state with an unloaded firearm in a case or box and not available for
ready use.


My last read of the laws in some states says it's still confusing and
can be up to local cops to interpret.Â* For example, you can "pass
through" New York with an unloaded handgun stored in a locked box in
the trunk or, as you say, not available for ready use.Â* However, you
technically can not stop for anything other than short periods, (can't
overnight in a hotel)Â* *and* you must be traveling from a state that
issued a permit *to* another state that recognizes your permit.Â* Kinda
stupid because how does law enforcement know where you are traveling to?

On the entire east coast, the only state that recognizes a MA permit
is North Carolina.Â* If stopped for some reason and my locked, unloaded
gun was discovered, I'd just say I was traveling the North Carolina.


I carry firearms in the trunk or in the back of the truck, which has a
locking lid. Not loaded, and I keep the mags and the ammo in a locked
box in the back of the cab. The mags are not loaded. I'm not concerned
about cop stops.

Unless the cop was a Republican and you got into a political argument
with him. :-)

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On 10/5/2017 10:10 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 9:42 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 8:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or
reciprocity bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a
Concealed Carry license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers
license. As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some
territories that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland,
Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto
Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana
Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that
nutcase on the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm
is a pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap
an AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on
your shopping trips to WalMart.


I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone
like the shooter in Las Vegas.Â* I think, like me, he was referring
more to the legal ability to travel from state to state with a
firearm without fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink
simply for having one in his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you).Â* Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry.Â* Most often I don't.Â* It all depends on where I
am going and who I have with me.Â* I certainly don't find it to be a
pain in the ass.Â* Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.



Yeah, I know why people say they carry. You can drive from state to
state with an unloaded firearm in a case or box and not available for
ready use.


My last read of the laws in some states says it's still confusing and
can be up to local cops to interpret.Â* For example, you can "pass
through" New York with an unloaded handgun stored in a locked box in
the trunk or, as you say, not available for ready use.Â* However, you
technically can not stop for anything other than short periods, (can't
overnight in a hotel)Â* *and* you must be traveling from a state that
issued a permit *to* another state that recognizes your permit.Â* Kinda
stupid because how does law enforcement know where you are traveling to?

On the entire east coast, the only state that recognizes a MA permit
is North Carolina.Â* If stopped for some reason and my locked, unloaded
gun was discovered, I'd just say I was traveling the North Carolina.


I carry firearms in the trunk or in the back of the truck, which has a
locking lid. Not loaded, and I keep the mags and the ammo in a locked
box in the back of the cab. The mags are not loaded. I'm not concerned
about cop stops.


When driving, I carry my Sig in the center console of the truck. Mag is
full, nothing in the chamber and safety is on. But, for the record, I
don't leave MA with it. :-)

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:04:08 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/5/17 11:57 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 10:10:32 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

I carry firearms in the trunk or in the back of the truck, which has a
locking lid. Not loaded, and I keep the mags and the ammo in a locked
box in the back of the cab. The mags are not loaded. I'm not concerned
about cop stops.

You should be. Is it just because you are an old white guy?


So far, at my advanced age, I haven't had any snarly encounters with
cops...in my lifetime.

You lived a charmed life I suppose. I have looked down the barrel of a
cops gun ... on a routine traffic stop on the beltway. (ended up with
a 64 in a 55 ticket). I had Florida tags and fit the profile for
something I suppose. They tossed my car and all they came up with was
a palmetto bug that had them all screaming like little girls. I am
real happy there was no gun in there.
I could blame it on a black cop who had a hard time in Florida too I
suppose. The ironic thing was, I was still a Maryland resident at the
time.
In the end the other cops were laughing at the black guy but I still
got the ticket. He didn't show up in court so it was dismissed.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On 10/5/2017 12:08 PM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 09:42:09 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

You can drive from state to
state with an unloaded firearm in a case or box and not available for
ready use.

That works until you get up north.
There is no way to have a legal handgun in New York without a permit
from New York and it sounds the same in Massachusetts and New Jersey.


I seem to remember some competition shooter getting arrested in New York
for unlicensed pistol. He connecting flight was delayed and the airline
put him in a hotel. Pistols were in baggage.



That will getcha every time.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 16:08:56 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 09:42:09 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

You can drive from state to
state with an unloaded firearm in a case or box and not available for
ready use.

That works until you get up north.
There is no way to have a legal handgun in New York without a permit
from New York and it sounds the same in Massachusetts and New Jersey.


I seem to remember some competition shooter getting arrested in New York
for unlicensed pistol. He connecting flight was delayed and the airline
put him in a hotel. Pistols were in baggage.

I think that was Newark and he got arrested when he declared his
firearm (per federal law) when he rechecked his luggage.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On 10/5/2017 12:08 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 9:42 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 8:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity
bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry
license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license.
As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some
territories that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland,
Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto
Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that nutcase
on the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm
is a pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap
an AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on
your shopping trips to WalMart.


I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone
like the shooter in Las Vegas.Â* I think, like me, he was referring
more to the legal ability to travel from state to state with a firearm
without fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink simply for
having one in his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you).Â* Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry.Â* Most often I don't.Â* It all depends on where I am
going and who I have with me.Â* I certainly don't find it to be a pain
in the ass.Â* Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.



Yeah, I know why people say they carry. You can drive from state to
state with an unloaded firearm in a case or box and not available for
ready use.


My last read of the laws in some states says it's still confusing and
can be up to local cops to interpret. For example, you can "pass
through" New York with an unloaded handgun stored in a locked box in the
trunk or, as you say, not available for ready use. However, you
technically can not stop for anything other than short periods, (can't
overnight in a hotel) *and* you must be traveling from a state that
issued a permit *to* another state that recognizes your permit. Kinda
stupid because how does law enforcement know where you are traveling to?

On the entire east coast, the only state that recognizes a MA permit is
North Carolina. If stopped for some reason and my locked, unloaded gun
was discovered, I'd just say I was traveling the North Carolina.


New York, you can not possess an firearm without a license. Locked or not.
From what I read. California is extremely hard to get a CCL, but legal to
have an unloaded firearm in the vehicle in a locked case. Does not have to
be in trunk, as a big percentage of vehicles have no trunk. Vans and
pickups.



Say ... maybe Massachusetts laws aren't so bad afterall. :-)

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On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 16:08:56 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

I seem to remember some competition shooter getting arrested in New York
for unlicensed pistol. He connecting flight was delayed and the airline
put him in a hotel. Pistols were in baggage.

===

It has happened more than once, and there is at least one defense
attorney who specializes in those cases. If you follow all of the
rules you are supposed to notify the airline of a handgun in your
checked baggage, and apparently the airline has a legal obligation to
notify law enforcement if you land in NY or NJ. It's a real Catch-22
situation.

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On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 14:15:54 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 16:08:56 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

I seem to remember some competition shooter getting arrested in New York
for unlicensed pistol. He connecting flight was delayed and the airline
put him in a hotel. Pistols were in baggage.

===

It has happened more than once, and there is at least one defense
attorney who specializes in those cases. If you follow all of the
rules you are supposed to notify the airline of a handgun in your
checked baggage, and apparently the airline has a legal obligation to
notify law enforcement if you land in NY or NJ. It's a real Catch-22
situation.

You are not in trouble as long as the airline maintains control of the
bag. It is when they give the bag back to you that you become a felon.
If you ever get caught in that situation, it is better to let them
keep the bag checked through to the final destination and make them
buy you some clothes. Then you just have to hope the gun is still
there. Delayed bags seem to get picked through more often than bags
that keep moving. A gun is not going to make it if anyone browses your
bags.

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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity
bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry
license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license.
As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some territories
that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland,
Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto
Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that nutcase
on the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm is
a pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap an
AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on your
shopping trips to WalMart.

What about your other CC permits?

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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity
bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry
license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license.
As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some
territories that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland,
Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto
Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that nutcase
on the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm
is a pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap
an AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on
your shopping trips to WalMart.


I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone
like the shooter in Las Vegas. I think, like me, he was referring
more to the legal ability to travel from state to state with a firearm
without fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink simply for
having one in his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you). Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry. Most often I don't. It all depends on where I am
going and who I have with me. I certainly don't find it to be a pain
in the ass. Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.



He has the wrong body shape. Fat people can't conceal much of anything.

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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 8:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or
reciprocity bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a
Concealed Carry license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers
license. As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some
territories that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland,
Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto
Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that
nutcase on the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm
is a pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap
an AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on
your shopping trips to WalMart.


I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone
like the shooter in Las Vegas. I think, like me, he was referring
more to the legal ability to travel from state to state with a
firearm without fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink simply
for having one in his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you). Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry. Most often I don't. It all depends on where I am
going and who I have with me. I certainly don't find it to be a pain
in the ass. Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.



Yeah, I know why people say they carry. You can drive from state to
state with an unloaded firearm in a case or box and not available for
ready use.

Not every state. Not a lot of states.