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Hillary is wasting no time!

On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 08:11:17 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity
bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry
license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license.
As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some territories
that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts,
New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Rhode
Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.

Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that nutcase on
the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm is a
pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap an
AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on your
shopping trips to WalMart.

I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone like
the shooter in Las Vegas. I think, like me, he was referring more to
the legal ability to travel from state to state with a firearm without
fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink simply for having one in
his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you). Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry. Most often I don't. It all depends on where I am
going and who I have with me. I certainly don't find it to be a pain in
the ass. Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.

I am a gun guy but carrying a gun is always a pain in the ass. It just
reminds you that you should move to a safer place.

Hillary is wasting no time!

On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 09:42:09 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

You can drive from state to
state with an unloaded firearm in a case or box and not available for
ready use.

That works until you get up north.
There is no way to have a legal handgun in New York without a permit
from New York and it sounds the same in Massachusetts and New Jersey.

Hillary is wasting no time!

On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 10:10:32 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

I carry firearms in the trunk or in the back of the truck, which has a
locking lid. Not loaded, and I keep the mags and the ammo in a locked
box in the back of the cab. The mags are not loaded. I'm not concerned
about cop stops.

You should be. Is it just because you are an old white guy?

Hillary is wasting no time!

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 9:42 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 8:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity
bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry
license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license.
As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some
territories that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland,
Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto
Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.

Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that nutcase
on the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm
is a pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap
an AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on
your shopping trips to WalMart.

I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone
like the shooter in Las Vegas.Â* I think, like me, he was referring
more to the legal ability to travel from state to state with a firearm
without fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink simply for
having one in his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you).Â* Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry.Â* Most often I don't.Â* It all depends on where I am
going and who I have with me.Â* I certainly don't find it to be a pain
in the ass.Â* Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.

Yeah, I know why people say they carry. You can drive from state to
state with an unloaded firearm in a case or box and not available for
ready use.

My last read of the laws in some states says it's still confusing and
can be up to local cops to interpret. For example, you can "pass
through" New York with an unloaded handgun stored in a locked box in the
trunk or, as you say, not available for ready use. However, you
technically can not stop for anything other than short periods, (can't
overnight in a hotel) *and* you must be traveling from a state that
issued a permit *to* another state that recognizes your permit. Kinda
stupid because how does law enforcement know where you are traveling to?

On the entire east coast, the only state that recognizes a MA permit is
North Carolina. If stopped for some reason and my locked, unloaded gun
was discovered, I'd just say I was traveling the North Carolina.

New York, you can not possess an firearm without a license. Locked or not.
From what I read. California is extremely hard to get a CCL, but legal to
have an unloaded firearm in the vehicle in a locked case. Does not have to
be in trunk, as a big percentage of vehicles have no trunk. Vans and
pickups.

Hillary is wasting no time!

wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 09:42:09 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

You can drive from state to
state with an unloaded firearm in a case or box and not available for
ready use.

That works until you get up north.
There is no way to have a legal handgun in New York without a permit
from New York and it sounds the same in Massachusetts and New Jersey.

I seem to remember some competition shooter getting arrested in New York
for unlicensed pistol. He connecting flight was delayed and the airline
put him in a hotel. Pistols were in baggage.

Hillary is wasting no time!

On 10/5/2017 10:10 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 9:42 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 8:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or
reciprocity bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a
Concealed Carry license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers
license. As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some
territories that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland,
Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto
Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana
Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.

Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that
nutcase on the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm
is a pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap
an AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on
your shopping trips to WalMart.

I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone
like the shooter in Las Vegas.Â* I think, like me, he was referring
more to the legal ability to travel from state to state with a
firearm without fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink
simply for having one in his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you).Â* Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry.Â* Most often I don't.Â* It all depends on where I
am going and who I have with me.Â* I certainly don't find it to be a
pain in the ass.Â* Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.

Yeah, I know why people say they carry. You can drive from state to
state with an unloaded firearm in a case or box and not available for
ready use.

My last read of the laws in some states says it's still confusing and
can be up to local cops to interpret.Â* For example, you can "pass
through" New York with an unloaded handgun stored in a locked box in
the trunk or, as you say, not available for ready use.Â* However, you
technically can not stop for anything other than short periods, (can't
overnight in a hotel)Â* *and* you must be traveling from a state that
issued a permit *to* another state that recognizes your permit.Â* Kinda
stupid because how does law enforcement know where you are traveling to?

On the entire east coast, the only state that recognizes a MA permit
is North Carolina.Â* If stopped for some reason and my locked, unloaded
gun was discovered, I'd just say I was traveling the North Carolina.

I carry firearms in the trunk or in the back of the truck, which has a
locking lid. Not loaded, and I keep the mags and the ammo in a locked
box in the back of the cab. The mags are not loaded. I'm not concerned
about cop stops.

Unless the cop was a Republican and you got into a political argument
with him. :-)

Hillary is wasting no time!

On 10/5/2017 10:10 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 9:42 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 8:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or
reciprocity bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a
Concealed Carry license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers
license. As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some
territories that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland,
Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto
Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana
Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.

Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that
nutcase on the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm
is a pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap
an AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on
your shopping trips to WalMart.

I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone
like the shooter in Las Vegas.Â* I think, like me, he was referring
more to the legal ability to travel from state to state with a
firearm without fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink
simply for having one in his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you).Â* Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry.Â* Most often I don't.Â* It all depends on where I
am going and who I have with me.Â* I certainly don't find it to be a
pain in the ass.Â* Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.

Yeah, I know why people say they carry. You can drive from state to
state with an unloaded firearm in a case or box and not available for
ready use.

My last read of the laws in some states says it's still confusing and
can be up to local cops to interpret.Â* For example, you can "pass
through" New York with an unloaded handgun stored in a locked box in
the trunk or, as you say, not available for ready use.Â* However, you
technically can not stop for anything other than short periods, (can't
overnight in a hotel)Â* *and* you must be traveling from a state that
issued a permit *to* another state that recognizes your permit.Â* Kinda
stupid because how does law enforcement know where you are traveling to?

On the entire east coast, the only state that recognizes a MA permit
is North Carolina.Â* If stopped for some reason and my locked, unloaded
gun was discovered, I'd just say I was traveling the North Carolina.

I carry firearms in the trunk or in the back of the truck, which has a
locking lid. Not loaded, and I keep the mags and the ammo in a locked
box in the back of the cab. The mags are not loaded. I'm not concerned
about cop stops.

When driving, I carry my Sig in the center console of the truck. Mag is
full, nothing in the chamber and safety is on. But, for the record, I
don't leave MA with it. :-)

Hillary is wasting no time!

On 10/5/2017 12:08 PM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 09:42:09 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

You can drive from state to
state with an unloaded firearm in a case or box and not available for
ready use.

That works until you get up north.
There is no way to have a legal handgun in New York without a permit
from New York and it sounds the same in Massachusetts and New Jersey.

I seem to remember some competition shooter getting arrested in New York
for unlicensed pistol. He connecting flight was delayed and the airline
put him in a hotel. Pistols were in baggage.

That will getcha every time.