Happy Memorial Day
 

On 5/29/2017 3:31 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 15:21:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 5/29/2017 3:18 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 3:15:08 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/29/2017 2:32 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:21:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 5/29/2017 2:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/29/17 12:41 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 10:40:44 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 5/29/17 10:34 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 07:14:42 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


5:42 AMPoco Deplorevole
- show quoted text -
Be glad you don't have an older Guzzi. Laying on the floor undoing
about 18 bolts to change the oil
filter. What a pita!
.....

Same process on a2000 guzzi Jackal only without the benefit of a
center stand.

With a center stand is a bitch. Without must be a double bitch.


As a nod to "superior" Japanese engineering and design, you have to
unbolt the skid plate on the front of my truck to change the oil
filter. :)

I think only the "offroad" 4WD models have the skidplate. If I lived in
the Souf', I would have skipped the 4WD altogether. But the two times I
drove in the snow this past winter, it was nice to have the traction and
control.

If you're not going to do any off-roading, why not take off the skid
plate?



I got "free" (ha!) oil and filter changes for life or something like
that when I bought the truck.


Free oil and filters for *life*? (yes, I noticed the "something like
that") :-)

I traded both my truck and the Altima that I bought last year in over
the weekend. Really didn't plan on it but you know how it goes.
Visit a dealership, they take your keys to check out your trade (I was
driving the truck) and they won't give them back or let you out until
they've tried every trick in the book to sell you a new car.

They won Saturday. But, I got free maintenance including oil and filter
changes for 3 years, not for life.





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Well??? What's the rest of the story? Which Porsche are you driving now?


No way. Those days are over. I tried out a Toyota Highlander and a
Nissan Pathfinder ... both new, 2017 versions. Both were nice but I
liked the looks and some of the features on the Pathfinder more. It's a
little bigger than the Highlander and can tow up to 6,000 lbs or 1,000
more than the Toyota. The 2017 versions have more horsepower (284) and
I liked the fact that the 2nd and 3rd row seats fold completely flat, so
there's plenty of cargo space. Plus, the one I liked is loaded up with
a lot of options including heated seats and heated steering wheel, both
of which the Altima had and I got spoiled with last winter.

I also looked at a 2016 certified pre-owned Pathfinder but it didn't
have all the goodies that the 2017 had. So, I ended up with the new one.

I really didn't intend on buying anything. I just bought Mrs.E.'s
Quest a couple of weeks ago and was just curious about how those two
(the Toyota and the Pathfinder) were for climbing in and out of.
The Altima is a nice car but I found that having to climb *down* to get
in it and *up* to get out was getting to be a pain.

Gonna miss the truck. I bought it new in 2008. That's the longest
period of time that I've ever owned a vehicle. But, I just don't have a
need for a 3/4 ton truck anymore, nor a need for insurance on two
vehicles ... actually three counting Mrs.E.'s car.

Well, congrats on the new car. My daughter drives a Nissan and loves it. We had a Highlander, but neither my wife (for whom it was bought) nor I thought it was very comfortable.



I am really not fussy about cars anymore. As long as it is comfortable,
handles halfway decently and is reliable it suits me just fine.


I figure my pickup will last me 'til I die, especially if I become a motorcyclist organ donor.


Yeah, your perspective on life changes when you realize the car you just
bought might be the last one you ever buy. :-)

Happy Memorial Day
 

"I got "free" (ha!) oil and filter changes for life or something like
that when I bought the truck."


WOW...I get mine changed twice a year at about $65.00 per. Of course every second visit (yearly) there are extras like replacing the the cabin filter, tightening bolts in the 4WD trainer, etc.

Happy Memorial Day
 

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/29/2017 3:18 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 3:15:08 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/29/2017 2:32 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:21:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 5/29/2017 2:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/29/17 12:41 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 10:40:44 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 5/29/17 10:34 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 07:14:42 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


5:42 AMPoco Deplorevole
- show quoted text -
Be glad you don't have an older Guzzi. Laying on the floor undoing
about 18 bolts to change the oil
filter. What a pita!
.....

Same process on a2000 guzzi Jackal only without the benefit of a
center stand.

With a center stand is a bitch. Without must be a double bitch.


As a nod to "superior" Japanese engineering and design, you have to
unbolt the skid plate on the front of my truck to change the oil
filter. :)

I think only the "offroad" 4WD models have the skidplate. If I lived in
the Souf', I would have skipped the 4WD altogether. But the two times I
drove in the snow this past winter, it was nice to have the traction and
control.

If you're not going to do any off-roading, why not take off the skid
plate?



I got "free" (ha!) oil and filter changes for life or something like
that when I bought the truck.


Free oil and filters for *life*? (yes, I noticed the "something like
that") :-)

I traded both my truck and the Altima that I bought last year in over
the weekend. Really didn't plan on it but you know how it goes.
Visit a dealership, they take your keys to check out your trade (I was
driving the truck) and they won't give them back or let you out until
they've tried every trick in the book to sell you a new car.

They won Saturday. But, I got free maintenance including oil and filter
changes for 3 years, not for life.





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Well??? What's the rest of the story? Which Porsche are you driving now?


No way. Those days are over. I tried out a Toyota Highlander and a
Nissan Pathfinder ... both new, 2017 versions. Both were nice but I
liked the looks and some of the features on the Pathfinder more. It's a
little bigger than the Highlander and can tow up to 6,000 lbs or 1,000
more than the Toyota. The 2017 versions have more horsepower (284) and
I liked the fact that the 2nd and 3rd row seats fold completely flat, so
there's plenty of cargo space. Plus, the one I liked is loaded up with
a lot of options including heated seats and heated steering wheel, both
of which the Altima had and I got spoiled with last winter.

I also looked at a 2016 certified pre-owned Pathfinder but it didn't
have all the goodies that the 2017 had. So, I ended up with the new one.

I really didn't intend on buying anything. I just bought Mrs.E.'s
Quest a couple of weeks ago and was just curious about how those two
(the Toyota and the Pathfinder) were for climbing in and out of.
The Altima is a nice car but I found that having to climb *down* to get
in it and *up* to get out was getting to be a pain.

Gonna miss the truck. I bought it new in 2008. That's the longest
period of time that I've ever owned a vehicle. But, I just don't have a
need for a 3/4 ton truck anymore, nor a need for insurance on two
vehicles ... actually three counting Mrs.E.'s car.

Well, congrats on the new car. My daughter drives a Nissan and loves it.
We had a Highlander, but neither my wife (for whom it was bought) nor I
thought it was very comfortable.



I am really not fussy about cars anymore. As long as it is comfortable,
handles halfway decently and is reliable it suits me just fine.




When looking at cars for the wife, we looked at the Highlander. Almost no
rear view with the headrests on the back seats.

Happy Memorial Day
 

Bill says...
"When looking at cars for the wife, we looked at the Highlander. Â*Almost no
rear view with the headrests on the back seats."


Ard you talking about the 2nd row or the 3rd?
I have no problem.

Happy Memorial Day
 

On 5/29/2017 7:48 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/29/2017 3:18 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 3:15:08 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/29/2017 2:32 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:21:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 5/29/2017 2:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/29/17 12:41 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 10:40:44 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 5/29/17 10:34 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 07:14:42 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


5:42 AMPoco Deplorevole
- show quoted text -
Be glad you don't have an older Guzzi. Laying on the floor undoing
about 18 bolts to change the oil
filter. What a pita!
.....

Same process on a2000 guzzi Jackal only without the benefit of a
center stand.

With a center stand is a bitch. Without must be a double bitch.


As a nod to "superior" Japanese engineering and design, you have to
unbolt the skid plate on the front of my truck to change the oil
filter. :)

I think only the "offroad" 4WD models have the skidplate. If I lived in
the Souf', I would have skipped the 4WD altogether. But the two times I
drove in the snow this past winter, it was nice to have the traction and
control.

If you're not going to do any off-roading, why not take off the skid
plate?



I got "free" (ha!) oil and filter changes for life or something like
that when I bought the truck.


Free oil and filters for *life*? (yes, I noticed the "something like
that") :-)

I traded both my truck and the Altima that I bought last year in over
the weekend. Really didn't plan on it but you know how it goes.
Visit a dealership, they take your keys to check out your trade (I was
driving the truck) and they won't give them back or let you out until
they've tried every trick in the book to sell you a new car.

They won Saturday. But, I got free maintenance including oil and filter
changes for 3 years, not for life.





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Well??? What's the rest of the story? Which Porsche are you driving now?


No way. Those days are over. I tried out a Toyota Highlander and a
Nissan Pathfinder ... both new, 2017 versions. Both were nice but I
liked the looks and some of the features on the Pathfinder more. It's a
little bigger than the Highlander and can tow up to 6,000 lbs or 1,000
more than the Toyota. The 2017 versions have more horsepower (284) and
I liked the fact that the 2nd and 3rd row seats fold completely flat, so
there's plenty of cargo space. Plus, the one I liked is loaded up with
a lot of options including heated seats and heated steering wheel, both
of which the Altima had and I got spoiled with last winter.

I also looked at a 2016 certified pre-owned Pathfinder but it didn't
have all the goodies that the 2017 had. So, I ended up with the new one.

I really didn't intend on buying anything. I just bought Mrs.E.'s
Quest a couple of weeks ago and was just curious about how those two
(the Toyota and the Pathfinder) were for climbing in and out of.
The Altima is a nice car but I found that having to climb *down* to get
in it and *up* to get out was getting to be a pain.

Gonna miss the truck. I bought it new in 2008. That's the longest
period of time that I've ever owned a vehicle. But, I just don't have a
need for a 3/4 ton truck anymore, nor a need for insurance on two
vehicles ... actually three counting Mrs.E.'s car.

Well, congrats on the new car. My daughter drives a Nissan and loves it.
We had a Highlander, but neither my wife (for whom it was bought) nor I
thought it was very comfortable.



I am really not fussy about cars anymore. As long as it is comfortable,
handles halfway decently and is reliable it suits me just fine.




When looking at cars for the wife, we looked at the Highlander. Almost no
rear view with the headrests on the back seats.


Same on the Pathfinder if the third row seats are up. You can fold the
headrests down though which helps. I'll probably never use the third
row seats though so they'll always be folded down flat.

Happy Memorial Day
 

On 5/29/2017 9:29 PM, True North wrote:
Bill says...
"When looking at cars for the wife, we looked at the Highlander. Almost no
rear view with the headrests on the back seats."


Ard you talking about the 2nd row or the 3rd?
I have no problem.



Rear view on the Pathfinder is ok with second row seats up and third row
folded down flat. Rear view gets obstructed through with third row up
and their headrests up.

I didn't notice on the Highlander that I tried if the backup camera
showed a "predictive" course when backing up. The one in the Pathfinder
does ... meaning as you back up there is a outlined box that moves as
you turn the steering wheel indicating were you are moving towards as
well as additional cameras that show the front corners as well. Pretty
much gives you an all around view of the vehicle. It has an 8 inch
display screen, so it's pretty easy to see everything. It also has a
"sonar" system warning that lets you now if you are going to hit anything.

Reminds me of flying lessons when you have to rely totally on
instruments rather than an actual view. :-)

BTW, the Highlander was nice. I think it had a softer ride than the
Pathfinder which is a bit more stiff. I just preferred the Nissan overall.

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Happy Memorial Day
 

True North wrote:
Bill says...
"When looking at cars for the wife, we looked at the Highlander. Â*Almost no
rear view with the headrests on the back seats."


Ard you talking about the 2nd row or the 3rd?
I have no problem.




2009. Both rows.

Happy Memorial Day
 

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/29/2017 9:29 PM, True North wrote:
Bill says...
"When looking at cars for the wife, we looked at the Highlander. Almost no
rear view with the headrests on the back seats."


Ard you talking about the 2nd row or the 3rd?
I have no problem.



Rear view on the Pathfinder is ok with second row seats up and third row
folded down flat. Rear view gets obstructed through with third row up
and their headrests up.

I didn't notice on the Highlander that I tried if the backup camera
showed a "predictive" course when backing up. The one in the Pathfinder
does ... meaning as you back up there is a outlined box that moves as
you turn the steering wheel indicating were you are moving towards as
well as additional cameras that show the front corners as well. Pretty
much gives you an all around view of the vehicle. It has an 8 inch
display screen, so it's pretty easy to see everything. It also has a
"sonar" system warning that lets you now if you are going to hit anything.

Reminds me of flying lessons when you have to rely totally on
instruments rather than an actual view. :-)

BTW, the Highlander was nice. I think it had a softer ride than the
Pathfinder which is a bit more stiff. I just preferred the Nissan overall.

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We looked in 2009. They have changed the Highlander a lot since then body
wise.

Happy Memorial Day
 

Bill
- show quoted text -
"We looked in 2009. Â*They have changed the Highlander a lot since then body
wise."


I never put the 3rd row seats up. It would interfere with our Springer Spaniel's personal area.
Believe that 2009 was an earlier version of the 2nd generation Highlander. My 2013 is the last model year for the 2nd generation.

Happy Memorial Day
 

Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
"Rear view on the Pathfinder is ok with second row seats up and third row
folded down flat. Â*Rear view gets obstructed through with third row up
and their headrests up.

I didn't notice on the Highlander that I tried if the backup camera
showed a "predictive" course when backing up. Â*The one in the Pathfinder
does ... meaning as you back up there is a outlined box that moves as
you turn the steering wheel indicating were you are moving towards as
well as additional cameras that show the front corners as well. Â*Pretty
much gives you an all around view of the vehicle. Â*It has an 8 inch
display screen, so it's pretty easy to see everything. Â*It also has a
"sonar" system warning that lets you now if you are going to hit anything.

Reminds me of flying lessons when you have to rely totally on
instruments rather than an actual view. Â*:-)

BTW, the Highlander was nice. Â*I think it had a softer ride than the
Pathfinder which is a bit more stiff. Â*I just preferred the Nissan overall."



Consumers Reports has the Highlander at the top of the mid size SUV pack most years
Rated tops for reliability which is important to me as I hope to get 12 years out of it.
My Basic PLUS model (I have 4WD and the 3.5 engine) has the plain small backup camera. No guide lines.
The higher end Highlanders came with a bigger screen and I believe the guide lines.
The softer tide is great for most of my driving but I don't like it on a twisty turny road. Feels a little top heavy.