On Mon, 29 May 2017 10:40:44 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

As a nod to "superior" Japanese engineering and design, you have to
unbolt the skid plate on the front of my truck to change the oil filter.

I think only the "offroad" 4WD models have the skidplate. If I lived in
the Souf', I would have skipped the 4WD altogether. But the two times I
drove in the snow this past winter, it was nice to have the traction and
control.

Just remember in a 4WD, when you lose it, you lose all 4 wheels and
your car becomes a hockey puck.

On Mon, 29 May 2017 10:40:44 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 5/29/17 10:34 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 07:14:42 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:


5:42 AMPoco Deplorevole
- show quoted text -
Be glad you don't have an older Guzzi. Laying on the floor undoing about 18 bolts to change the oil
filter. What a pita!
.....

Same process on a2000 guzzi Jackal only without the benefit of a center stand.

With a center stand is a bitch. Without must be a double bitch.


As a nod to "superior" Japanese engineering and design, you have to
unbolt the skid plate on the front of my truck to change the oil filter.

I think only the "offroad" 4WD models have the skidplate. If I lived in
the Souf', I would have skipped the 4WD altogether. But the two times I
drove in the snow this past winter, it was nice to have the traction and
control.

If you're not going to do any off-roading, why not take off the skid plate?

Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 10:40:44 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 5/29/17 10:34 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 07:14:42 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:


5:42 AMPoco Deplorevole
- show quoted text -
Be glad you don't have an older Guzzi. Laying on the floor undoing
about 18 bolts to change the oil
filter. What a pita!
.....

Same process on a2000 guzzi Jackal only without the benefit of a center stand.

With a center stand is a bitch. Without must be a double bitch.


As a nod to "superior" Japanese engineering and design, you have to
unbolt the skid plate on the front of my truck to change the oil filter.

I think only the "offroad" 4WD models have the skidplate. If I lived in
the Souf', I would have skipped the 4WD altogether. But the two times I
drove in the snow this past winter, it was nice to have the traction and
control.

If you're not going to do any off-roading, why not take off the skid plate?


When he screws up and drives over the stops in a parking lot.

On 5/29/17 12:41 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 10:40:44 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 5/29/17 10:34 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 07:14:42 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:


5:42 AMPoco Deplorevole
- show quoted text -
Be glad you don't have an older Guzzi. Laying on the floor undoing about 18 bolts to change the oil
filter. What a pita!
.....

Same process on a2000 guzzi Jackal only without the benefit of a center stand.

With a center stand is a bitch. Without must be a double bitch.


As a nod to "superior" Japanese engineering and design, you have to
unbolt the skid plate on the front of my truck to change the oil filter.

I think only the "offroad" 4WD models have the skidplate. If I lived in
the Souf', I would have skipped the 4WD altogether. But the two times I
drove in the snow this past winter, it was nice to have the traction and
control.

If you're not going to do any off-roading, why not take off the skid plate?



I got "free" (ha!) oil and filter changes for life or something like
that when I bought the truck.

On 5/29/2017 2:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/29/17 12:41 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 10:40:44 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 5/29/17 10:34 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 07:14:42 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


5:42 AMPoco Deplorevole
- show quoted text -
Be glad you don't have an older Guzzi. Laying on the floor undoing
about 18 bolts to change the oil
filter. What a pita!
.....

Same process on a2000 guzzi Jackal only without the benefit of a
center stand.

With a center stand is a bitch. Without must be a double bitch.


As a nod to "superior" Japanese engineering and design, you have to
unbolt the skid plate on the front of my truck to change the oil
filter.

I think only the "offroad" 4WD models have the skidplate. If I lived in
the Souf', I would have skipped the 4WD altogether. But the two times I
drove in the snow this past winter, it was nice to have the traction and
control.

If you're not going to do any off-roading, why not take off the skid
plate?



I got "free" (ha!) oil and filter changes for life or something like
that when I bought the truck.


Free oil and filters for *life*? (yes, I noticed the "something like
that") :-)

I traded both my truck and the Altima that I bought last year in over
the weekend. Really didn't plan on it but you know how it goes.
Visit a dealership, they take your keys to check out your trade (I was
driving the truck) and they won't give them back or let you out until
they've tried every trick in the book to sell you a new car.

They won Saturday. But, I got free maintenance including oil and filter
changes for 3 years, not for life.





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On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:21:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 5/29/2017 2:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/29/17 12:41 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 10:40:44 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 5/29/17 10:34 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 07:14:42 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


5:42 AMPoco Deplorevole
- show quoted text -
Be glad you don't have an older Guzzi. Laying on the floor undoing
about 18 bolts to change the oil
filter. What a pita!
.....

Same process on a2000 guzzi Jackal only without the benefit of a
center stand.

With a center stand is a bitch. Without must be a double bitch.


As a nod to "superior" Japanese engineering and design, you have to
unbolt the skid plate on the front of my truck to change the oil
filter.

I think only the "offroad" 4WD models have the skidplate. If I lived in
the Souf', I would have skipped the 4WD altogether. But the two times I
drove in the snow this past winter, it was nice to have the traction and
control.

If you're not going to do any off-roading, why not take off the skid
plate?



I got "free" (ha!) oil and filter changes for life or something like
that when I bought the truck.


Free oil and filters for *life*? (yes, I noticed the "something like
that") :-)

I traded both my truck and the Altima that I bought last year in over
the weekend. Really didn't plan on it but you know how it goes.
Visit a dealership, they take your keys to check out your trade (I was
driving the truck) and they won't give them back or let you out until
they've tried every trick in the book to sell you a new car.

They won Saturday. But, I got free maintenance including oil and filter
changes for 3 years, not for life.





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Well??? What's the rest of the story? Which Porsche are you driving now?

On 5/29/2017 2:32 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:21:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 5/29/2017 2:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/29/17 12:41 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 10:40:44 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 5/29/17 10:34 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 07:14:42 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


5:42 AMPoco Deplorevole
- show quoted text -
Be glad you don't have an older Guzzi. Laying on the floor undoing
about 18 bolts to change the oil
filter. What a pita!
.....

Same process on a2000 guzzi Jackal only without the benefit of a
center stand.

With a center stand is a bitch. Without must be a double bitch.


As a nod to "superior" Japanese engineering and design, you have to
unbolt the skid plate on the front of my truck to change the oil
filter.

I think only the "offroad" 4WD models have the skidplate. If I lived in
the Souf', I would have skipped the 4WD altogether. But the two times I
drove in the snow this past winter, it was nice to have the traction and
control.

If you're not going to do any off-roading, why not take off the skid
plate?



I got "free" (ha!) oil and filter changes for life or something like
that when I bought the truck.


Free oil and filters for *life*? (yes, I noticed the "something like
that") :-)

I traded both my truck and the Altima that I bought last year in over
the weekend. Really didn't plan on it but you know how it goes.
Visit a dealership, they take your keys to check out your trade (I was
driving the truck) and they won't give them back or let you out until
they've tried every trick in the book to sell you a new car.

They won Saturday. But, I got free maintenance including oil and filter
changes for 3 years, not for life.





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Well??? What's the rest of the story? Which Porsche are you driving now?


No way. Those days are over. I tried out a Toyota Highlander and a
Nissan Pathfinder ... both new, 2017 versions. Both were nice but I
liked the looks and some of the features on the Pathfinder more. It's a
little bigger than the Highlander and can tow up to 6,000 lbs or 1,000
more than the Toyota. The 2017 versions have more horsepower (284) and
I liked the fact that the 2nd and 3rd row seats fold completely flat, so
there's plenty of cargo space. Plus, the one I liked is loaded up with
a lot of options including heated seats and heated steering wheel, both
of which the Altima had and I got spoiled with last winter.

I also looked at a 2016 certified pre-owned Pathfinder but it didn't
have all the goodies that the 2017 had. So, I ended up with the new one.

I really didn't intend on buying anything. I just bought Mrs.E.'s
Quest a couple of weeks ago and was just curious about how those two
(the Toyota and the Pathfinder) were for climbing in and out of.
The Altima is a nice car but I found that having to climb *down* to get
in it and *up* to get out was getting to be a pain.

Gonna miss the truck. I bought it new in 2008. That's the longest
period of time that I've ever owned a vehicle. But, I just don't have a
need for a 3/4 ton truck anymore, nor a need for insurance on two
vehicles ... actually three counting Mrs.E.'s car.

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 3:15:08 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/29/2017 2:32 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:21:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 5/29/2017 2:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/29/17 12:41 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 10:40:44 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 5/29/17 10:34 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 07:14:42 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


5:42 AMPoco Deplorevole
- show quoted text -
Be glad you don't have an older Guzzi. Laying on the floor undoing
about 18 bolts to change the oil
filter. What a pita!
.....

Same process on a2000 guzzi Jackal only without the benefit of a
center stand.

With a center stand is a bitch. Without must be a double bitch.


As a nod to "superior" Japanese engineering and design, you have to
unbolt the skid plate on the front of my truck to change the oil
filter.

I think only the "offroad" 4WD models have the skidplate. If I lived in
the Souf', I would have skipped the 4WD altogether. But the two times I
drove in the snow this past winter, it was nice to have the traction and
control.

If you're not going to do any off-roading, why not take off the skid
plate?



I got "free" (ha!) oil and filter changes for life or something like
that when I bought the truck.


Free oil and filters for *life*? (yes, I noticed the "something like
that") :-)

I traded both my truck and the Altima that I bought last year in over
the weekend. Really didn't plan on it but you know how it goes.
Visit a dealership, they take your keys to check out your trade (I was
driving the truck) and they won't give them back or let you out until
they've tried every trick in the book to sell you a new car.

They won Saturday. But, I got free maintenance including oil and filter
changes for 3 years, not for life.





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Well??? What's the rest of the story? Which Porsche are you driving now?


No way. Those days are over. I tried out a Toyota Highlander and a
Nissan Pathfinder ... both new, 2017 versions. Both were nice but I
liked the looks and some of the features on the Pathfinder more. It's a
little bigger than the Highlander and can tow up to 6,000 lbs or 1,000
more than the Toyota. The 2017 versions have more horsepower (284) and
I liked the fact that the 2nd and 3rd row seats fold completely flat, so
there's plenty of cargo space. Plus, the one I liked is loaded up with
a lot of options including heated seats and heated steering wheel, both
of which the Altima had and I got spoiled with last winter.

I also looked at a 2016 certified pre-owned Pathfinder but it didn't
have all the goodies that the 2017 had. So, I ended up with the new one.

I really didn't intend on buying anything. I just bought Mrs.E.'s
Quest a couple of weeks ago and was just curious about how those two
(the Toyota and the Pathfinder) were for climbing in and out of.
The Altima is a nice car but I found that having to climb *down* to get
in it and *up* to get out was getting to be a pain.

Gonna miss the truck. I bought it new in 2008. That's the longest
period of time that I've ever owned a vehicle. But, I just don't have a
need for a 3/4 ton truck anymore, nor a need for insurance on two
vehicles ... actually three counting Mrs.E.'s car.

Well, congrats on the new car. My daughter drives a Nissan and loves it. We had a Highlander, but neither my wife (for whom it was bought) nor I thought it was very comfortable.

On 5/29/2017 3:18 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 3:15:08 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/29/2017 2:32 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:21:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 5/29/2017 2:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/29/17 12:41 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 10:40:44 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 5/29/17 10:34 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 07:14:42 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


5:42 AMPoco Deplorevole
- show quoted text -
Be glad you don't have an older Guzzi. Laying on the floor undoing
about 18 bolts to change the oil
filter. What a pita!
.....

Same process on a2000 guzzi Jackal only without the benefit of a
center stand.

With a center stand is a bitch. Without must be a double bitch.


As a nod to "superior" Japanese engineering and design, you have to
unbolt the skid plate on the front of my truck to change the oil
filter.

I think only the "offroad" 4WD models have the skidplate. If I lived in
the Souf', I would have skipped the 4WD altogether. But the two times I
drove in the snow this past winter, it was nice to have the traction and
control.

If you're not going to do any off-roading, why not take off the skid
plate?



I got "free" (ha!) oil and filter changes for life or something like
that when I bought the truck.


Free oil and filters for *life*? (yes, I noticed the "something like
that") :-)

I traded both my truck and the Altima that I bought last year in over
the weekend. Really didn't plan on it but you know how it goes.
Visit a dealership, they take your keys to check out your trade (I was
driving the truck) and they won't give them back or let you out until
they've tried every trick in the book to sell you a new car.

They won Saturday. But, I got free maintenance including oil and filter
changes for 3 years, not for life.





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http://www.avg.com


Well??? What's the rest of the story? Which Porsche are you driving now?


No way. Those days are over. I tried out a Toyota Highlander and a
Nissan Pathfinder ... both new, 2017 versions. Both were nice but I
liked the looks and some of the features on the Pathfinder more. It's a
little bigger than the Highlander and can tow up to 6,000 lbs or 1,000
more than the Toyota. The 2017 versions have more horsepower (284) and
I liked the fact that the 2nd and 3rd row seats fold completely flat, so
there's plenty of cargo space. Plus, the one I liked is loaded up with
a lot of options including heated seats and heated steering wheel, both
of which the Altima had and I got spoiled with last winter.

I also looked at a 2016 certified pre-owned Pathfinder but it didn't
have all the goodies that the 2017 had. So, I ended up with the new one.

I really didn't intend on buying anything. I just bought Mrs.E.'s
Quest a couple of weeks ago and was just curious about how those two
(the Toyota and the Pathfinder) were for climbing in and out of.
The Altima is a nice car but I found that having to climb *down* to get
in it and *up* to get out was getting to be a pain.

Gonna miss the truck. I bought it new in 2008. That's the longest
period of time that I've ever owned a vehicle. But, I just don't have a
need for a 3/4 ton truck anymore, nor a need for insurance on two
vehicles ... actually three counting Mrs.E.'s car.

Well, congrats on the new car. My daughter drives a Nissan and loves it. We had a Highlander, but neither my wife (for whom it was bought) nor I thought it was very comfortable.



I am really not fussy about cars anymore. As long as it is comfortable,
handles halfway decently and is reliable it suits me just fine.

On Mon, 29 May 2017 15:21:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 5/29/2017 3:18 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 3:15:08 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/29/2017 2:32 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:21:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 5/29/2017 2:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/29/17 12:41 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 10:40:44 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 5/29/17 10:34 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 07:14:42 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


5:42 AMPoco Deplorevole
- show quoted text -
Be glad you don't have an older Guzzi. Laying on the floor undoing
about 18 bolts to change the oil
filter. What a pita!
.....

Same process on a2000 guzzi Jackal only without the benefit of a
center stand.

With a center stand is a bitch. Without must be a double bitch.


As a nod to "superior" Japanese engineering and design, you have to
unbolt the skid plate on the front of my truck to change the oil
filter.

I think only the "offroad" 4WD models have the skidplate. If I lived in
the Souf', I would have skipped the 4WD altogether. But the two times I
drove in the snow this past winter, it was nice to have the traction and
control.

If you're not going to do any off-roading, why not take off the skid
plate?



I got "free" (ha!) oil and filter changes for life or something like
that when I bought the truck.


Free oil and filters for *life*? (yes, I noticed the "something like
that") :-)

I traded both my truck and the Altima that I bought last year in over
the weekend. Really didn't plan on it but you know how it goes.
Visit a dealership, they take your keys to check out your trade (I was
driving the truck) and they won't give them back or let you out until
they've tried every trick in the book to sell you a new car.

They won Saturday. But, I got free maintenance including oil and filter
changes for 3 years, not for life.





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Well??? What's the rest of the story? Which Porsche are you driving now?


No way. Those days are over. I tried out a Toyota Highlander and a
Nissan Pathfinder ... both new, 2017 versions. Both were nice but I
liked the looks and some of the features on the Pathfinder more. It's a
little bigger than the Highlander and can tow up to 6,000 lbs or 1,000
more than the Toyota. The 2017 versions have more horsepower (284) and
I liked the fact that the 2nd and 3rd row seats fold completely flat, so
there's plenty of cargo space. Plus, the one I liked is loaded up with
a lot of options including heated seats and heated steering wheel, both
of which the Altima had and I got spoiled with last winter.

I also looked at a 2016 certified pre-owned Pathfinder but it didn't
have all the goodies that the 2017 had. So, I ended up with the new one.

I really didn't intend on buying anything. I just bought Mrs.E.'s
Quest a couple of weeks ago and was just curious about how those two
(the Toyota and the Pathfinder) were for climbing in and out of.
The Altima is a nice car but I found that having to climb *down* to get
in it and *up* to get out was getting to be a pain.

Gonna miss the truck. I bought it new in 2008. That's the longest
period of time that I've ever owned a vehicle. But, I just don't have a
need for a 3/4 ton truck anymore, nor a need for insurance on two
vehicles ... actually three counting Mrs.E.'s car.

Well, congrats on the new car. My daughter drives a Nissan and loves it. We had a Highlander, but neither my wife (for whom it was bought) nor I thought it was very comfortable.



I am really not fussy about cars anymore. As long as it is comfortable,
handles halfway decently and is reliable it suits me just fine.


I figure my pickup will last me 'til I die, especially if I become a motorcyclist organ donor.