Mr. Luddite wrote:

I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow capacity
to handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a
tow capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).

It also has lousy reviews.

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On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:05:47 -0500, Alex wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:

I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow capacity
to handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a
tow capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).

It also has lousy reviews.

No, it has a great review! Funnier than ****:

"For all of Toyota’s claims that this is an all-new truck, key features seem as though Toyota slept
through the past decade’s advances in truck technology and interior design.

Today’s modern full-sized trucks feature a quiet cabin, a semblance of handling responsiveness, and
a tolerable ride. But the compact Tacoma has none of that.

Unlike other V6-powered Toyota models, our tested Tacoma never feels quick from a standing start or
when passing—despite the robust acceleration figures as measured on our track. Fuel economy with the
not-so-smooth six-speed automatic transmission is 19 mpg overall on regular gas, quite good for a
truck and a clear improvement over its predecessor.

Out on the road, the Tacoma’s handling is ponderous, and its slow and numb steering never connects
the driver to the front wheels. Clearly clumsy around corners, it never felt unsafe. The chassis’s
propensity to jiggle and shudder delivers a Metallica snare-drum beat to your spine. Wind and engine
noise drown out any chance of conversation, even at modest speeds. Braking performance is subpar.

Inside, it still has a too-high step-in, a too-low driver’s seat, and a ceiling that scrapes scalps
of those entering the cabin.

The front seats are flat and uncomfortable, have limited support, and offer only the most basic
adjustments. The rear seat in our crew cab is no better, with hard padding, cramped leg and foot
room, and short cushions—although it flips up to reveal useful storage bins. Outward visibility is
decent, but the narrow, shallow windows make it less commanding.

Controls are basic and easy to read—essential when reaching for some of the faraway knobs and
buttons."

Excerpted from the June 2016 issue of Consumer Reports magazine.

Poco Loco Wrote in message:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:05:47 -0500, Alex wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:

I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow capacity
to handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a
tow capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).

It also has lousy reviews.

No, it has a great review! Funnier than ****:

"For all of Toyota’s claims that this is an all-new truck, key features seem as though Toyota slept
through the past decade’s advances in truck technology and interior design.

Today’s modern full-sized trucks feature a quiet cabin, a semblance of handling responsiveness, and
a tolerable ride. But the compact Tacoma has none of that.

Unlike other V6-powered Toyota models, our tested Tacoma never feels quick from a standing start or
when passing—despite the robust acceleration figures as measured on our track. Fuel economy with the
not-so-smooth six-speed automatic transmission is 19 mpg overall on regular gas, quite good for a
truck and a clear improvement over its predecessor.

Out on the road, the Tacoma’s handling is ponderous, and its slow and numb steering never connects
the driver to the front wheels. Clearly clumsy around corners, it never felt unsafe. The chassis’s
propensity to jiggle and shudder delivers a Metallica snare-drum beat to your spine. Wind and engine
noise drown out any chance of conversation, even at modest speeds. Braking performance is subpar.

Inside, it still has a too-high step-in, a too-low driver’s seat, and a ceiling that scrapes scalps
of those entering the cabin.

The front seats are flat and uncomfortable, have limited support, and offer only the most basic
adjustments. The rear seat in our crew cab is no better, with hard padding, cramped leg and foot
room, and short cushions—although it flips up to reveal useful storage bins. Outward visibility is
decent, but the narrow, shallow windows make it less commanding.

Controls are basic and easy to read—essential when reaching for some of the faraway knobs and
buttons."

Excerpted from the June 2016 issue of Consumer Reports magazine.


Reportedly, Krause is a big fella. How is he gonna fit in the
cramped cabin of a Tacoma?
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 22:00:52 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Poco Loco Wrote in message:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:05:47 -0500, Alex wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:

I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow capacity
to handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a
tow capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).

It also has lousy reviews.

No, it has a great review! Funnier than ****:

"For all of Toyota’s claims that this is an all-new truck, key features seem as though Toyota slept
through the past decade’s advances in truck technology and interior design.

Today’s modern full-sized trucks feature a quiet cabin, a semblance of handling responsiveness, and
a tolerable ride. But the compact Tacoma has none of that.

Unlike other V6-powered Toyota models, our tested Tacoma never feels quick from a standing start or
when passing—despite the robust acceleration figures as measured on our track. Fuel economy with the
not-so-smooth six-speed automatic transmission is 19 mpg overall on regular gas, quite good for a
truck and a clear improvement over its predecessor.

Out on the road, the Tacoma’s handling is ponderous, and its slow and numb steering never connects
the driver to the front wheels. Clearly clumsy around corners, it never felt unsafe. The chassis’s
propensity to jiggle and shudder delivers a Metallica snare-drum beat to your spine. Wind and engine
noise drown out any chance of conversation, even at modest speeds. Braking performance is subpar.

Inside, it still has a too-high step-in, a too-low driver’s seat, and a ceiling that scrapes scalps
of those entering the cabin.

The front seats are flat and uncomfortable, have limited support, and offer only the most basic
adjustments. The rear seat in our crew cab is no better, with hard padding, cramped leg and foot
room, and short cushions—although it flips up to reveal useful storage bins. Outward visibility is
decent, but the narrow, shallow windows make it less commanding.

Controls are basic and easy to read—essential when reaching for some of the faraway knobs and
buttons."

Excerpted from the June 2016 issue of Consumer Reports magazine.


Reportedly, Krause is a big fella. How is he gonna fit in the
cramped cabin of a Tacoma?


Like this: http://tinyurl.com/gqd8dlm

Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:05:47 -0500, Alex wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow capacity
to handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a
tow capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).
It also has lousy reviews.

No, it has a great review! Funnier than ****:

"For all of Toyota’s claims that this is an all-new truck, key features seem as though Toyota slept
through the past decade’s advances in truck technology and interior design.

Today’s modern full-sized trucks feature a quiet cabin, a semblance of handling responsiveness, and
a tolerable ride. But the compact Tacoma has none of that.

Unlike other V6-powered Toyota models, our tested Tacoma never feels quick from a standing start or
when passing—despite the robust acceleration figures as measured on our track. Fuel economy with the
not-so-smooth six-speed automatic transmission is 19 mpg overall on regular gas, quite good for a
truck and a clear improvement over its predecessor.

Out on the road, the Tacoma’s handling is ponderous, and its slow and numb steering never connects
the driver to the front wheels. Clearly clumsy around corners, it never felt unsafe. The chassis’s
propensity to jiggle and shudder delivers a Metallica snare-drum beat to your spine. Wind and engine
noise drown out any chance of conversation, even at modest speeds. Braking performance is subpar.

Inside, it still has a too-high step-in, a too-low driver’s seat, and a ceiling that scrapes scalps
of those entering the cabin.

The front seats are flat and uncomfortable, have limited support, and offer only the most basic
adjustments. The rear seat in our crew cab is no better, with hard padding, cramped leg and foot
room, and short cushions—although it flips up to reveal useful storage bins. Outward visibility is
decent, but the narrow, shallow windows make it less commanding.

Controls are basic and easy to read—essential when reaching for some of the faraway knobs and
buttons."

Excerpted from the June 2016 issue of Consumer Reports magazine.

That's the same review I read. It was uncharacteristic of CR so it must
be really that bad. I'm sure this is what convinced Harry to buy it:
"Controls are basic and easy to read"

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On 1/13/17 10:57 PM, Alex wrote:
Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:05:47 -0500, Alex wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow capacity
to handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a
tow capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).
It also has lousy reviews.

No, it has a great review! Funnier than ****:

"For all of Toyota’s claims that this is an all-new truck, key
features seem as though Toyota slept
through the past decade’s advances in truck technology and interior
design.

Today’s modern full-sized trucks feature a quiet cabin, a semblance of
handling responsiveness, and
a tolerable ride. But the compact Tacoma has none of that.

Unlike other V6-powered Toyota models, our tested Tacoma never feels
quick from a standing start or
when passing—despite the robust acceleration figures as measured on
our track. Fuel economy with the
not-so-smooth six-speed automatic transmission is 19 mpg overall on
regular gas, quite good for a
truck and a clear improvement over its predecessor.

Out on the road, the Tacoma’s handling is ponderous, and its slow and
numb steering never connects
the driver to the front wheels. Clearly clumsy around corners, it
never felt unsafe. The chassis’s
propensity to jiggle and shudder delivers a Metallica snare-drum beat
to your spine. Wind and engine
noise drown out any chance of conversation, even at modest speeds.
Braking performance is subpar.

Inside, it still has a too-high step-in, a too-low driver’s seat, and
a ceiling that scrapes scalps
of those entering the cabin.

The front seats are flat and uncomfortable, have limited support, and
offer only the most basic
adjustments. The rear seat in our crew cab is no better, with hard
padding, cramped leg and foot
room, and short cushions—although it flips up to reveal useful storage
bins. Outward visibility is
decent, but the narrow, shallow windows make it less commanding.

Controls are basic and easy to read—essential when reaching for some
of the faraway knobs and
buttons."

Excerpted from the June 2016 issue of Consumer Reports magazine.

That's the same review I read. It was uncharacteristic of CR so it must
be really that bad. I'm sure this is what convinced Harry to buy it:
"Controls are basic and easy to read"



I thought the CR review was hilarious. When I bought my 2016 Tacoma, the
only other "choice" for a pickup in that class was the Chevy-GM model
and the Tacomas had a better resale value historically and much better
reliability. I doubt that has changed. The Honda pickup was and still
isn't a real truck and the Dodge offering is...well, the typical
Dodge-Jeep crapola. The Nissan is not a contender.

My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck. I'm getting 22-24
mpg in our suburban area with my manual transmission V-6. The "handling"
is typical pickup truck, exactly what I would expect. There's no chassis
jiggle or shudder. The model I have has heavier duty shocks and springs,
which serve it well off-road.

The step-in is high, but my truck is a 4X4 with a raised suspension.
Duh. I've yet to "scrap" my scalp while getting into the cab.

The reality is, if one of the right-wing deplorables here had the truck,
most of the fellow deplorables would be singing its praise.

I think the testers at CR were looking for a Honda Civic in a truck, as
opposed to...a truck.

On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds, with professional drivers.

On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds, with professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it, and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

Incidentally, you boychiks left out the best parts of the CR review, the
reasons why the Tacoma is the leading seller in its class:

"While full-sized pickup trucks increasingly adopt luxury trappings,
compact trucks remain utilitarian workhorses. The Tacoma is a reliable
but down-and-dirty example of function trumping form.


'Simply put, the Tacoma is the perfect truck for landscapers and
contractors.


"This beast of burden has a bulletproof reliability track record, a
tough-as-nails chassis, and a durable composite-Â*plastic bed. For
off-roading adventures, the capable Tacoma has few peers.

"True to its heritage as a work truck, the Tacoma admirably tolerates
those sorts of duties. It trundled up our rock hill with ease. The
damped tailgate is a charm to lower but a chore to raise. And though it
varies based on the body and powerÂ*train, our truck is rated to tow
6,400 pounds—that’s a 23-foot Airstream trailer, folks."

Have nice day, truck poseurs.

On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:00:08 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds, with professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it, and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

I'm sure you got the one truck that is capable of beating the times that professional drivers were able to obtain with instrumented timing gear.
Uh-huh.

On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 09:00:07 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds, with professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it, and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

Incidentally, you boychiks left out the best parts of the CR review, the
reasons why the Tacoma is the leading seller in its class:

"While full-sized pickup trucks increasingly adopt luxury trappings,
compact trucks remain utilitarian workhorses. The Tacoma is a reliable
but down-and-dirty example of function trumping form.


'Simply put, the Tacoma is the perfect truck for landscapers and
contractors.


"This beast of burden has a bulletproof reliability track record, a
tough-as-nails chassis, and a durable composite-*plastic bed. For
off-roading adventures, the capable Tacoma has few peers.

"True to its heritage as a work truck, the Tacoma admirably tolerates
those sorts of duties. It trundled up our rock hill with ease. The
damped tailgate is a charm to lower but a chore to raise. And though it
varies based on the body and power*train, our truck is rated to tow
6,400 pounds—that’s a 23-foot Airstream trailer, folks."

Have nice day, truck poseurs.


I posted the funny part - which is what made a great review of a mediocre truck.