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Hope you and the bike heal 100%. Thanks. I need to start taking it slower, or as my wife asked me, "are you finished playing in the dirt now.. I guess I just don't heal as well as I used to. |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 16:06:36 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 15:57:33 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 13:56:29 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/22/16 12:19 PM, wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:55:10 -0500, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:20:56 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 08:30:44 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I got rid of my first motorcycle after a bizarre accident in Kansas that left both me and the bike uninjured, thanks to a quickly falling snowstorm. Traded the Honda for a nice, safe, used Chevy. :) One of my best sources for rice burning motor cycles was from people who bought them thinking they were the perfect commuter vehicle. All it took was the first wisp of snow or a little black ice on the road and they were real cheap but they usually needed a little work. ;-) I put them back together, shined them up and sold them in the spring. One year I threw a Honda 350 in my van, took it to Florida and paid for my trip. It sold in a day. Going down on ice usually doesn't do any severe damage...few scratches, turn signals, maybe brake or clutch lever. Experience talking...luckily with a small Honda 125. I was in uniform going to work at Ft. Belvoir. MPs stopped and told me I wasn't allowed to ride a motorcycle when there was snow on the roads. I didn't challenge him, but I still wonder if that 'law' really existed! That sounds more like a base restriction. As for damage, you do OK unless you hit something. The RD350 Yammy I got cheap had 2 bent fork tubes. I thought I would be truing the front wheel but it survived OK. I had to paint the tank on a 125 I picked up and replace some stuff missing from the right handlebar. I learned how to paint with rattle cans in those days. The Yamaha paint job was a 3 step process. The trick, as with any spray painting is never stop moving and pulse the valve. I wonder if "survival" of bike and rider is as true today, what with the much more massive bikes and faster speeds and plastic parts... If you have a road bike with crash bars and you can just lay it down, stay tucked in and you will be OK as a general rule but hitting something head on is always bad. The only time I ever laid a bike down or even got hurt was dirt riding. My Benelli was fun out in the woods but I did crash a few times You do realize that a bike sliding on its side has less traction than an upright bike with the brakes applied. Laying a bike down looks good in the movies, but the bike will stop faster with the brakes. I am not talking about intentionally laying it down but that can just happen if you get to aggressive with the brakes, particularly in the woods. OTOH If you are going to hit something, having tires and springs out in front is better than counting on your face shield to save you. ;-) |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 18:18:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 13:41:37 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
3:06 PMPoquito Loco - show quoted text - You do realize that a bike sliding on its side has less traction than an upright bike with the brakes applied. Laying a bike down looks good in the movies, but the bike will stop faster with the brakes. .... Nope. I disagree. I laid down my cb450 Honda just moments before it slid and slammed into 88 yr. old "grannie blue-hair" who had just pulled out in front of me. She was driving a 1972 Buick Electra 225 and I swear she couldn't see over the steering wheel! Hey, disagreement is good. But, I'll take the Motorcycle Safety Foundation's party line and use my brakes, especially the front one. If the road's wet, I'll be going down anyway! When someone pulls out in front, the brakes and counter-steering are the life saviors to trust. Trust me! Some views: http://www.msgroup.org/Tip.aspx?Num=226 http://www.claydugas.com/auto-accide...-avoid-injury/ https://rideapart.com/articles/lay-er (A Good one!) http://motorcycle-central.com/how-to...ur-motorcycle/ http://www.autoevolution.com/news/mo...t-2-46474.html http://motorcycleviews.com/general/m...clemyths_2.htm http://timoconnorattorney.com/motorc...ce-techniques/ "If you guys remember the movie "Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man" Big John Studd had a completely valid reason to lay his bike down. So I'll say this, if your friends rob an armored car, end up in a gunfight with guys in Kevlar trench coats and you need to blow up your bike to save them, go ahead and lay the bike down. Otherwise, it is probably not a good idea. Later," [From: http://harleytechtalk.org/htt/index.php?topic=40105.0] Just go into google and type "lay motorcycle down or use brakes". You'll get a lot of hits! |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 18:15:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/22/2016 12:19 PM, wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:55:10 -0500, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:20:56 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 08:30:44 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I got rid of my first motorcycle after a bizarre accident in Kansas that left both me and the bike uninjured, thanks to a quickly falling snowstorm. Traded the Honda for a nice, safe, used Chevy. :) One of my best sources for rice burning motor cycles was from people who bought them thinking they were the perfect commuter vehicle. All it took was the first wisp of snow or a little black ice on the road and they were real cheap but they usually needed a little work. ;-) I put them back together, shined them up and sold them in the spring. One year I threw a Honda 350 in my van, took it to Florida and paid for my trip. It sold in a day. Going down on ice usually doesn't do any severe damage...few scratches, turn signals, maybe brake or clutch lever. Experience talking...luckily with a small Honda 125. I was in uniform going to work at Ft. Belvoir. MPs stopped and told me I wasn't allowed to ride a motorcycle when there was snow on the roads. I didn't challenge him, but I still wonder if that 'law' really existed! That sounds more like a base restriction. As for damage, you do OK unless you hit something. The RD350 Yammy I got cheap had 2 bent fork tubes. I thought I would be truing the front wheel but it survived OK. I had to paint the tank on a 125 I picked up and replace some stuff missing from the right handlebar. I learned how to paint with rattle cans in those days. The Yamaha paint job was a 3 step process. The trick, as with any spray painting is never stop moving and pulse the valve. While attending ET school in GLakes I rode a Honda 350 back and forth from our apartment because my wife needed the car. During the winter the base would not allow the bike "on base", so I had to park it outside the main gate. Wasn't fun riding it in snow and I would never recommend it. We disagree. My little Honda 125 was an on/off road bike, didn't have knobby tires, but they were almost knobby. I'd take it into the woods at Ft. Belvoir and have a blast riding in the snow. Wore a snowmobile suit. Went down a few times, but never anything serious. Probably put half a dozen new turn signals on that thing. But, commuting in the winter with ice and snow is something I sure as hell wouldn't do now. I learned that one the hard way. |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 15:55:21 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 1:06:33 PM UTC-8, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 15:57:33 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 13:56:29 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/22/16 12:19 PM, wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:55:10 -0500, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:20:56 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 08:30:44 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I got rid of my first motorcycle after a bizarre accident in Kansas that left both me and the bike uninjured, thanks to a quickly falling snowstorm. Traded the Honda for a nice, safe, used Chevy. :) One of my best sources for rice burning motor cycles was from people who bought them thinking they were the perfect commuter vehicle. All it took was the first wisp of snow or a little black ice on the road and they were real cheap but they usually needed a little work. ;-) I put them back together, shined them up and sold them in the spring. One year I threw a Honda 350 in my van, took it to Florida and paid for my trip. It sold in a day. Going down on ice usually doesn't do any severe damage...few scratches, turn signals, maybe brake or clutch lever. Experience talking...luckily with a small Honda 125. I was in uniform going to work at Ft. Belvoir. MPs stopped and told me I wasn't allowed to ride a motorcycle when there was snow on the roads. I didn't challenge him, but I still wonder if that 'law' really existed! That sounds more like a base restriction. As for damage, you do OK unless you hit something. The RD350 Yammy I got cheap had 2 bent fork tubes. I thought I would be truing the front wheel but it survived OK. I had to paint the tank on a 125 I picked up and replace some stuff missing from the right handlebar. I learned how to paint with rattle cans in those days. The Yamaha paint job was a 3 step process. The trick, as with any spray painting is never stop moving and pulse the valve. I wonder if "survival" of bike and rider is as true today, what with the much more massive bikes and faster speeds and plastic parts... If you have a road bike with crash bars and you can just lay it down, stay tucked in and you will be OK as a general rule but hitting something head on is always bad. The only time I ever laid a bike down or even got hurt was dirt riding. My Benelli was fun out in the woods but I did crash a few times You do realize that a bike sliding on its side has less traction than an upright bike with the brakes applied. Laying a bike down looks good in the movies, but the bike will stop faster with the brakes. I'm in John's camp when I comes to braking versus "Had to lay her down" Then again I'm one to talk! I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule. There's always the helmet story exception: "I'd never wear a helmet 'cause a helmet's what killed a buddy of mine! He went down and slid off a cliff, and his helmet strap got caught on a tree, and it busted his neck damn near clean in two!" |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 19:09:13 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 16:06:36 -0500, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 15:57:33 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 13:56:29 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/22/16 12:19 PM, wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:55:10 -0500, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:20:56 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 08:30:44 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I got rid of my first motorcycle after a bizarre accident in Kansas that left both me and the bike uninjured, thanks to a quickly falling snowstorm. Traded the Honda for a nice, safe, used Chevy. :) One of my best sources for rice burning motor cycles was from people who bought them thinking they were the perfect commuter vehicle. All it took was the first wisp of snow or a little black ice on the road and they were real cheap but they usually needed a little work. ;-) I put them back together, shined them up and sold them in the spring. One year I threw a Honda 350 in my van, took it to Florida and paid for my trip. It sold in a day. Going down on ice usually doesn't do any severe damage...few scratches, turn signals, maybe brake or clutch lever. Experience talking...luckily with a small Honda 125. I was in uniform going to work at Ft. Belvoir. MPs stopped and told me I wasn't allowed to ride a motorcycle when there was snow on the roads. I didn't challenge him, but I still wonder if that 'law' really existed! That sounds more like a base restriction. As for damage, you do OK unless you hit something. The RD350 Yammy I got cheap had 2 bent fork tubes. I thought I would be truing the front wheel but it survived OK. I had to paint the tank on a 125 I picked up and replace some stuff missing from the right handlebar. I learned how to paint with rattle cans in those days. The Yamaha paint job was a 3 step process. The trick, as with any spray painting is never stop moving and pulse the valve. I wonder if "survival" of bike and rider is as true today, what with the much more massive bikes and faster speeds and plastic parts... If you have a road bike with crash bars and you can just lay it down, stay tucked in and you will be OK as a general rule but hitting something head on is always bad. The only time I ever laid a bike down or even got hurt was dirt riding. My Benelli was fun out in the woods but I did crash a few times You do realize that a bike sliding on its side has less traction than an upright bike with the brakes applied. Laying a bike down looks good in the movies, but the bike will stop faster with the brakes. I am not talking about intentionally laying it down but that can just happen if you get to aggressive with the brakes, particularly in the woods. Agreed! The woods is different! There are trees there than *will* just jump right out in front of you. And hitting the brakes while on loose gravel or wet leaves is a good way to test your 'quick dismount' skills. OTOH If you are going to hit something, having tires and springs out in front is better than counting on your face shield to save you. ;-) |
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On 11/23/2016 7:32 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 18:15:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/22/2016 12:19 PM, wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:55:10 -0500, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:20:56 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 08:30:44 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I got rid of my first motorcycle after a bizarre accident in Kansas that left both me and the bike uninjured, thanks to a quickly falling snowstorm. Traded the Honda for a nice, safe, used Chevy. :) One of my best sources for rice burning motor cycles was from people who bought them thinking they were the perfect commuter vehicle. All it took was the first wisp of snow or a little black ice on the road and they were real cheap but they usually needed a little work. ;-) I put them back together, shined them up and sold them in the spring. One year I threw a Honda 350 in my van, took it to Florida and paid for my trip. It sold in a day. Going down on ice usually doesn't do any severe damage...few scratches, turn signals, maybe brake or clutch lever. Experience talking...luckily with a small Honda 125. I was in uniform going to work at Ft. Belvoir. MPs stopped and told me I wasn't allowed to ride a motorcycle when there was snow on the roads. I didn't challenge him, but I still wonder if that 'law' really existed! That sounds more like a base restriction. As for damage, you do OK unless you hit something. The RD350 Yammy I got cheap had 2 bent fork tubes. I thought I would be truing the front wheel but it survived OK. I had to paint the tank on a 125 I picked up and replace some stuff missing from the right handlebar. I learned how to paint with rattle cans in those days. The Yamaha paint job was a 3 step process. The trick, as with any spray painting is never stop moving and pulse the valve. While attending ET school in GLakes I rode a Honda 350 back and forth from our apartment because my wife needed the car. During the winter the base would not allow the bike "on base", so I had to park it outside the main gate. Wasn't fun riding it in snow and I would never recommend it. We disagree. My little Honda 125 was an on/off road bike, didn't have knobby tires, but they were almost knobby. I'd take it into the woods at Ft. Belvoir and have a blast riding in the snow. Wore a snowmobile suit. Went down a few times, but never anything serious. Probably put half a dozen new turn signals on that thing. But, commuting in the winter with ice and snow is something I sure as hell wouldn't do now. I learned that one the hard way. Actually, I was mistaken about the Honda 350. I had one of them later. The bike I rode back and forth to the base was a Honda 305 "Super Hawk". It's not an off-road type bike. It's a street bike and in the snow the tires were basically slicks. I remember riding it with about 6 inches of snow on the road with both feet out on the road, sorta "skiing" to keep the bike from sliding out from under me. |
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On 11/23/16 7:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/23/2016 7:32 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 18:15:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/22/2016 12:19 PM, wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:55:10 -0500, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:20:56 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 08:30:44 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I got rid of my first motorcycle after a bizarre accident in Kansas that left both me and the bike uninjured, thanks to a quickly falling snowstorm. Traded the Honda for a nice, safe, used Chevy. :) One of my best sources for rice burning motor cycles was from people who bought them thinking they were the perfect commuter vehicle. All it took was the first wisp of snow or a little black ice on the road and they were real cheap but they usually needed a little work. ;-) I put them back together, shined them up and sold them in the spring. One year I threw a Honda 350 in my van, took it to Florida and paid for my trip. It sold in a day. Going down on ice usually doesn't do any severe damage...few scratches, turn signals, maybe brake or clutch lever. Experience talking...luckily with a small Honda 125. I was in uniform going to work at Ft. Belvoir. MPs stopped and told me I wasn't allowed to ride a motorcycle when there was snow on the roads. I didn't challenge him, but I still wonder if that 'law' really existed! That sounds more like a base restriction. As for damage, you do OK unless you hit something. The RD350 Yammy I got cheap had 2 bent fork tubes. I thought I would be truing the front wheel but it survived OK. I had to paint the tank on a 125 I picked up and replace some stuff missing from the right handlebar. I learned how to paint with rattle cans in those days. The Yamaha paint job was a 3 step process. The trick, as with any spray painting is never stop moving and pulse the valve. While attending ET school in GLakes I rode a Honda 350 back and forth from our apartment because my wife needed the car. During the winter the base would not allow the bike "on base", so I had to park it outside the main gate. Wasn't fun riding it in snow and I would never recommend it. We disagree. My little Honda 125 was an on/off road bike, didn't have knobby tires, but they were almost knobby. I'd take it into the woods at Ft. Belvoir and have a blast riding in the snow. Wore a snowmobile suit. Went down a few times, but never anything serious. Probably put half a dozen new turn signals on that thing. But, commuting in the winter with ice and snow is something I sure as hell wouldn't do now. I learned that one the hard way. Actually, I was mistaken about the Honda 350. I had one of them later. The bike I rode back and forth to the base was a Honda 305 "Super Hawk". It's not an off-road type bike. It's a street bike and in the snow the tires were basically slicks. I remember riding it with about 6 inches of snow on the road with both feet out on the road, sorta "skiing" to keep the bike from sliding out from under me. I learned my lesson riding a Honda in the snow. I am wondering, though, how my 4WD Toyota Tacoma will do in the snow. It has all-terrain/all-season tires, I think, plus a manual transmission, but, of course, it suffers from the typical pickup truck ailment of not a lot of weight on the rear tires. I only got the 4WD model because a number of on-line reports indicated it did well in the snow. We'll see. |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 07:23:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/22/2016 7:04 PM, wrote: Hope you and the bike heal 100%. Thanks. I need to start taking it slower, or as my wife asked me, "are you finished playing in the dirt now.. I guess I just don't heal as well as I used to. Frankly, the main reason I sold my last motorcycle was because I was starting to feel less comfortable with my reflexes and ability to avoid potential accidents. Never had a major issue but in your 60's your reaction time (for most of us anyway) just isn't the same as in your 30's. That, plus the fact that the bike (Harley Ultra Classic) was close to 900lbs and was becoming a bit of a chore to push around. Maybe if I had kept a Softail or something a bit lighter, I would still be riding. My next ride: http://www.motorscooterguide.net/Hon...ilverwing.html, for the reasons you cited. |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 07:42:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/23/2016 7:32 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 18:15:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/22/2016 12:19 PM, wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:55:10 -0500, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:20:56 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 08:30:44 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I got rid of my first motorcycle after a bizarre accident in Kansas that left both me and the bike uninjured, thanks to a quickly falling snowstorm. Traded the Honda for a nice, safe, used Chevy. :) One of my best sources for rice burning motor cycles was from people who bought them thinking they were the perfect commuter vehicle. All it took was the first wisp of snow or a little black ice on the road and they were real cheap but they usually needed a little work. ;-) I put them back together, shined them up and sold them in the spring. One year I threw a Honda 350 in my van, took it to Florida and paid for my trip. It sold in a day. Going down on ice usually doesn't do any severe damage...few scratches, turn signals, maybe brake or clutch lever. Experience talking...luckily with a small Honda 125. I was in uniform going to work at Ft. Belvoir. MPs stopped and told me I wasn't allowed to ride a motorcycle when there was snow on the roads. I didn't challenge him, but I still wonder if that 'law' really existed! That sounds more like a base restriction. As for damage, you do OK unless you hit something. The RD350 Yammy I got cheap had 2 bent fork tubes. I thought I would be truing the front wheel but it survived OK. I had to paint the tank on a 125 I picked up and replace some stuff missing from the right handlebar. I learned how to paint with rattle cans in those days. The Yamaha paint job was a 3 step process. The trick, as with any spray painting is never stop moving and pulse the valve. While attending ET school in GLakes I rode a Honda 350 back and forth from our apartment because my wife needed the car. During the winter the base would not allow the bike "on base", so I had to park it outside the main gate. Wasn't fun riding it in snow and I would never recommend it. We disagree. My little Honda 125 was an on/off road bike, didn't have knobby tires, but they were almost knobby. I'd take it into the woods at Ft. Belvoir and have a blast riding in the snow. Wore a snowmobile suit. Went down a few times, but never anything serious. Probably put half a dozen new turn signals on that thing. But, commuting in the winter with ice and snow is something I sure as hell wouldn't do now. I learned that one the hard way. Actually, I was mistaken about the Honda 350. I had one of them later. The bike I rode back and forth to the base was a Honda 305 "Super Hawk". It's not an off-road type bike. It's a street bike and in the snow the tires were basically slicks. I remember riding it with about 6 inches of snow on the road with both feet out on the road, sorta "skiing" to keep the bike from sliding out from under me. It's a bitch on asphalt. The damn back tire wants to slide one way while the front's going the other. |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 08:00:25 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 11/23/16 7:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/23/2016 7:32 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 18:15:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/22/2016 12:19 PM, wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:55:10 -0500, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:20:56 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 08:30:44 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I got rid of my first motorcycle after a bizarre accident in Kansas that left both me and the bike uninjured, thanks to a quickly falling snowstorm. Traded the Honda for a nice, safe, used Chevy. :) One of my best sources for rice burning motor cycles was from people who bought them thinking they were the perfect commuter vehicle. All it took was the first wisp of snow or a little black ice on the road and they were real cheap but they usually needed a little work. ;-) I put them back together, shined them up and sold them in the spring. One year I threw a Honda 350 in my van, took it to Florida and paid for my trip. It sold in a day. Going down on ice usually doesn't do any severe damage...few scratches, turn signals, maybe brake or clutch lever. Experience talking...luckily with a small Honda 125. I was in uniform going to work at Ft. Belvoir. MPs stopped and told me I wasn't allowed to ride a motorcycle when there was snow on the roads. I didn't challenge him, but I still wonder if that 'law' really existed! That sounds more like a base restriction. As for damage, you do OK unless you hit something. The RD350 Yammy I got cheap had 2 bent fork tubes. I thought I would be truing the front wheel but it survived OK. I had to paint the tank on a 125 I picked up and replace some stuff missing from the right handlebar. I learned how to paint with rattle cans in those days. The Yamaha paint job was a 3 step process. The trick, as with any spray painting is never stop moving and pulse the valve. While attending ET school in GLakes I rode a Honda 350 back and forth from our apartment because my wife needed the car. During the winter the base would not allow the bike "on base", so I had to park it outside the main gate. Wasn't fun riding it in snow and I would never recommend it. We disagree. My little Honda 125 was an on/off road bike, didn't have knobby tires, but they were almost knobby. I'd take it into the woods at Ft. Belvoir and have a blast riding in the snow. Wore a snowmobile suit. Went down a few times, but never anything serious. Probably put half a dozen new turn signals on that thing. But, commuting in the winter with ice and snow is something I sure as hell wouldn't do now. I learned that one the hard way. Actually, I was mistaken about the Honda 350. I had one of them later. The bike I rode back and forth to the base was a Honda 305 "Super Hawk". It's not an off-road type bike. It's a street bike and in the snow the tires were basically slicks. I remember riding it with about 6 inches of snow on the road with both feet out on the road, sorta "skiing" to keep the bike from sliding out from under me. I learned my lesson riding a Honda in the snow. I am wondering, though, how my 4WD Toyota Tacoma will do in the snow. It has all-terrain/all-season tires, I think, plus a manual transmission, but, of course, it suffers from the typical pickup truck ailment of not a lot of weight on the rear tires. I only got the 4WD model because a number of on-line reports indicated it did well in the snow. We'll see. With a manual tranny and four-wheel drive you should have no problem whatsoever, assuming you know how to ride a clutch a bit and start in second gear when on slick stuff. |
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On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 5:00:42 AM UTC-8, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 07:23:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/22/2016 7:04 PM, wrote: Hope you and the bike heal 100%. Thanks. I need to start taking it slower, or as my wife asked me, "are you finished playing in the dirt now.. I guess I just don't heal as well as I used to. Frankly, the main reason I sold my last motorcycle was because I was starting to feel less comfortable with my reflexes and ability to avoid potential accidents. Never had a major issue but in your 60's your reaction time (for most of us anyway) just isn't the same as in your 30's. That, plus the fact that the bike (Harley Ultra Classic) was close to 900lbs and was becoming a bit of a chore to push around. Maybe if I had kept a Softail or something a bit lighter, I would still be riding. My next ride: http://www.motorscooterguide.net/Hon...ilverwing.html, for the reasons you cited. I'm into Adventure bikes as you know, Honda is coming out with the ADV X model scooter and is something I'd consider if they bring it to the US market. I'm at that age also where throwing my leg over a tall ADV bike ends with me kicking at it half the time these days. |
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10:05 - show quoted text - I'm into Adventure bikes as you know, Honda is coming out with the ADV X model scooter and is something I'd consider if they bring it to the US market.. I'm at that age also where throwing my leg over a tall ADV bike ends with me kicking at it half the time these days. ..... I can apreciate that. That's one advantage of having a Guzzi jackal. They're low slung so mount and dismount is a breeze. The trade off is that at being almost 6'4" tall you're sitting with your knees wrapped around your ears and riding hard on your butt bone. I find that he'll seats or cushions can be your best friend at times... |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 08:05:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 5:00:42 AM UTC-8, Poquito Loco wrote: On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 07:23:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/22/2016 7:04 PM, wrote: Hope you and the bike heal 100%. Thanks. I need to start taking it slower, or as my wife asked me, "are you finished playing in the dirt now.. I guess I just don't heal as well as I used to. Frankly, the main reason I sold my last motorcycle was because I was starting to feel less comfortable with my reflexes and ability to avoid potential accidents. Never had a major issue but in your 60's your reaction time (for most of us anyway) just isn't the same as in your 30's. That, plus the fact that the bike (Harley Ultra Classic) was close to 900lbs and was becoming a bit of a chore to push around. Maybe if I had kept a Softail or something a bit lighter, I would still be riding. My next ride: http://www.motorscooterguide.net/Hon...ilverwing.html, for the reasons you cited. I'm into Adventure bikes as you know, Honda is coming out with the ADV X model scooter and is something I'd consider if they bring it to the US market. I'm at that age also where throwing my leg over a tall ADV bike ends with me kicking at it half the time these days. I did that with the Mille at a McDonalds on the way to North Carolina. The bike was on it's starboard (boating related) side up close to a curb. I could not get enough of a grip to get it up. Luckily a guy I'd been talking to inside saw the action and came out to help. Embarrassing as hell though! |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 08:34:46 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
10:05 - show quoted text - I'm into Adventure bikes as you know, Honda is coming out with the ADV X model scooter and is something I'd consider if they bring it to the US market. I'm at that age also where throwing my leg over a tall ADV bike ends with me kicking at it half the time these days. .... I can apreciate that. That's one advantage of having a Guzzi jackal. They're low slung so mount and dismount is a breeze. The trade off is that at being almost 6'4" tall you're sitting with your knees wrapped around your ears and riding hard on your butt bone. I find that he'll seats or cushions can be your best friend at times... This thing saves my butt. A bit pricey, but put it on your Christmas list and then you don't have to pay for it! https://www.amazon.com/Pro-Pad-Fabri...W64HF9NRG81BPD |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 07:40:33 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 19:09:13 -0500, wrote: I am not talking about intentionally laying it down but that can just happen if you get to aggressive with the brakes, particularly in the woods. Agreed! The woods is different! There are trees there than *will* just jump right out in front of you. And hitting the brakes while on loose gravel or wet leaves is a good way to test your 'quick dismount' skills. OTOH If you are going to hit something, having tires and springs out in front is better than counting on your face shield to save you. ;-) The closest I ever when to going down on the road was on the E street expressway (under the Kennedy center). It was a little wet. I hit those vinyl lane markers in the road and it was like ice. They had so many markings on the road I thought I was never going to find asphalt again. The guys behind me said they thought I was down about 3 times but I managed to get it upright and going again with nothing but a little peg scraping and a boost in my heart rate. |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 08:00:25 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: I learned my lesson riding a Honda in the snow. I am wondering, though, how my 4WD Toyota Tacoma will do in the snow. It has all-terrain/all-season tires, I think, plus a manual transmission, but, of course, it suffers from the typical pickup truck ailment of not a lot of weight on the rear tires. I only got the 4WD model because a number of on-line reports indicated it did well in the snow. We'll see. The thing you have to remember about 4wd is if you lose the back end, the front is probably going with it. I hockey pucked my Jeep a few times on the beltway before I figured out that I should leave it in 2 wheel until I needed it. |
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On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 8:34:48 AM UTC-8, Tim wrote:
10:05 - show quoted text - I'm into Adventure bikes as you know, Honda is coming out with the ADV X model scooter and is something I'd consider if they bring it to the US market. I'm at that age also where throwing my leg over a tall ADV bike ends with me kicking at it half the time these days. .... I can apreciate that. That's one advantage of having a Guzzi jackal. They're low slung so mount and dismount is a breeze. The trade off is that at being almost 6'4" tall you're sitting with your knees wrapped around your ears and riding hard on your butt bone. I find that he'll seats or cushions can be your best friend at times... A few years ago on a whim I bought a pristine ex Wa state patrol bike, an 04 R1150RT-P. I really liked that thing on the hwy, but riding around town with 17" wheels was a real bear. One day I decidied I'd had enough and called my buddy (He always wanted one) and told him to come over I've got something for you. When he arrived I handed him the keys and said she's all yours. He's 6'6" with a 40" inseam and when he rode away I about doubled over laughing, He looked like a big kid on a minibike. The adjustments he had to do that bike were insane, Taller seat, lowered pegs, bar-backs. etc... |
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- show quoted text - A few years ago on a whim I bought a pristine ex Wa state patrol bike, an 04 R1150RT-P. I really liked that thing on the hwy, but riding around town with 17" wheels was a real bear. One day I decidied I'd had enough and called my buddy (He always wanted one) and told him to come over I've got something for you. When he arrived I handed him the keys and said she's all yours. He's 6'6" with a 40" inseam and when he rode away I about doubled over laughing, He looked like a big kid on a minibike. The adjustments he had to do that bike were insane, Taller seat, lowered pegs, bar-backs. etc... ...... Yessir, I can sympathize with that situation. |
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On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 9:08:09 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 07:40:33 -0500, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 19:09:13 -0500, wrote: I am not talking about intentionally laying it down but that can just happen if you get to aggressive with the brakes, particularly in the woods. Agreed! The woods is different! There are trees there than *will* just jump right out in front of you. And hitting the brakes while on loose gravel or wet leaves is a good way to test your 'quick dismount' skills. OTOH If you are going to hit something, having tires and springs out in front is better than counting on your face shield to save you. ;-) The closest I ever when to going down on the road was on the E street expressway (under the Kennedy center). It was a little wet. I hit those vinyl lane markers in the road and it was like ice. They had so many markings on the road I thought I was never going to find asphalt again. The guys behind me said they thought I was down about 3 times but I managed to get it upright and going again with nothing but a little peg scraping and a boost in my heart rate. No kidding, Around here its those Turtle reflectors or where they grind the centerlines out. Turtles I can usually avoid when switching lanes. |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:18:22 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: The Beltway is a great place to avoid during snowstorms. Hard to do if you live in Clinton and work in Rockville. |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:08:00 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 07:40:33 -0500, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 19:09:13 -0500, wrote: I am not talking about intentionally laying it down but that can just happen if you get to aggressive with the brakes, particularly in the woods. Agreed! The woods is different! There are trees there than *will* just jump right out in front of you. And hitting the brakes while on loose gravel or wet leaves is a good way to test your 'quick dismount' skills. OTOH If you are going to hit something, having tires and springs out in front is better than counting on your face shield to save you. ;-) The closest I ever when to going down on the road was on the E street expressway (under the Kennedy center). It was a little wet. I hit those vinyl lane markers in the road and it was like ice. They had so many markings on the road I thought I was never going to find asphalt again. The guys behind me said they thought I was down about 3 times but I managed to get it upright and going again with nothing but a little peg scraping and a boost in my heart rate. I hate those damn vinyl markers. When wet they're like lithium grease. |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:18:22 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 11/23/16 12:11 PM, wrote: On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 08:00:25 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I learned my lesson riding a Honda in the snow. I am wondering, though, how my 4WD Toyota Tacoma will do in the snow. It has all-terrain/all-season tires, I think, plus a manual transmission, but, of course, it suffers from the typical pickup truck ailment of not a lot of weight on the rear tires. I only got the 4WD model because a number of on-line reports indicated it did well in the snow. We'll see. The thing you have to remember about 4wd is if you lose the back end, the front is probably going with it. I hockey pucked my Jeep a few times on the beltway before I figured out that I should leave it in 2 wheel until I needed it. I usually don't wander out until one of the neighbors at the entrance to our little subdivision emails everyone that the state road there has been hit at least once by the plow. At that point, I decide whether to pay the $100 or so to have our driveway plowed. If the truck does as I hope, I might avoid a few "plow jobs." The Beltway is a great place to avoid during snowstorms. Are you talking about the guy that owns the Maryland Red barn? :) |
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Keyser Soze
- show quoted text - "I usually don't wander out until one of the neighbors at the entrance to our little subdivision emails everyone that the state road there has been hit at least once by the plow. At that point, I decide whether to pay the $100 or so to have our driveway plowed. If the truck does as I hope, I might avoid a few "plow jobs." The Beltway is a great place to avoid during snowstorms." The Highlander does just fine with it's full time 4 wheel drive on all season tires. I do stay home until the plow has been around but would probably take it out to play if I had real winter tires. In Quebec, it's the law that you must have winter tires and now all the tire manufacturers and dealers are doing their best to convince us to do the same. I haven't bought winter tires in about 35 years....since I switched to front wheel drive vehicles. (and now..4 wheel drive) Just had 4 new Michelin premium LTX tires installed to replace the original equipment Toyota Open Country tires. |
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Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 08:05:31 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 5:00:42 AM UTC-8, Poquito Loco wrote: On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 07:23:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/22/2016 7:04 PM, wrote: Hope you and the bike heal 100%. Thanks. I need to start taking it slower, or as my wife asked me, "are you finished playing in the dirt now.. I guess I just don't heal as well as I used to. Frankly, the main reason I sold my last motorcycle was because I was starting to feel less comfortable with my reflexes and ability to avoid potential accidents. Never had a major issue but in your 60's your reaction time (for most of us anyway) just isn't the same as in your 30's. That, plus the fact that the bike (Harley Ultra Classic) was close to 900lbs and was becoming a bit of a chore to push around. Maybe if I had kept a Softail or something a bit lighter, I would still be riding. My next ride: http://www.motorscooterguide.net/Hon...ilverwing.html, for the reasons you cited. I'm into Adventure bikes as you know, Honda is coming out with the ADV X model scooter and is something I'd consider if they bring it to the US market. I'm at that age also where throwing my leg over a tall ADV bike ends with me kicking at it half the time these days. I did that with the Mille at a McDonalds on the way to North Carolina. The bike was on it's starboard (boating related) side up close to a curb. I could not get enough of a grip to get it up. Luckily a guy I'd been talking to inside saw the action and came out to help. Embarrassing as hell though! Back in about 1959, group of us scouts were over in San Francisco. One of the leaders worked there, and we were using his parking garage. Very steep driveway. Young man riding a Harley, all huge in those days, had to stop for a car. Tried to put his foot down on the downhill side. Foot did not reach ground. Over the bike went. We were going to help, but the driveway was so steep, he pivoted the bike, and only had to lift a little to get it upright. Guy was about 98 pounds. |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 08:00:25 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I learned my lesson riding a Honda in the snow. I am wondering, though, how my 4WD Toyota Tacoma will do in the snow. It has all-terrain/all-season tires, I think, plus a manual transmission, but, of course, it suffers from the typical pickup truck ailment of not a lot of weight on the rear tires. I only got the 4WD model because a number of on-line reports indicated it did well in the snow. We'll see. The thing you have to remember about 4wd is if you lose the back end, the front is probably going with it. I hockey pucked my Jeep a few times on the beltway before I figured out that I should leave it in 2 wheel until I needed it. Big problem we have with the 4x4 in the Sierra snow, is they drive fast, forgetting they can not stop quickly, causing major accidents. And the Japanese 4x4's seem to be worse, as most do not have positraction. |
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True North wrote:
Keyser Soze - show quoted text - "I usually don't wander out until one of the neighbors at the entrance to our little subdivision emails everyone that the state road there has been hit at least once by the plow. At that point, I decide whether to pay the $100 or so to have our driveway plowed. If the truck does as I hope, I might avoid a few "plow jobs." The Beltway is a great place to avoid during snowstorms." The Highlander does just fine with it's full time 4 wheel drive on all season tires. I do stay home until the plow has been around but would probably take it out to play if I had real winter tires. In Quebec, it's the law that you must have winter tires and now all the tire manufacturers and dealers are doing their best to convince us to do the same. I haven't bought winter tires in about 35 years....since I switched to front wheel drive vehicles. (and now..4 wheel drive) Just had 4 new Michelin premium LTX tires installed to replace the original equipment Toyota Open Country tires. Almost all radials these days seem to be rated Mud and Snow. Worse winter driving I had was a full time 4x4 Bravada I rented in Rochester, MN. Icy road, and when a tire started to spin the 4x4 would kick in, jerking the car around. My Blazer, same vehicle, I could lock in the 4x4 and never saw that problem. |
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On 11/23/16 7:33 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote: On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 08:00:25 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I learned my lesson riding a Honda in the snow. I am wondering, though, how my 4WD Toyota Tacoma will do in the snow. It has all-terrain/all-season tires, I think, plus a manual transmission, but, of course, it suffers from the typical pickup truck ailment of not a lot of weight on the rear tires. I only got the 4WD model because a number of on-line reports indicated it did well in the snow. We'll see. The thing you have to remember about 4wd is if you lose the back end, the front is probably going with it. I hockey pucked my Jeep a few times on the beltway before I figured out that I should leave it in 2 wheel until I needed it. Big problem we have with the 4x4 in the Sierra snow, is they drive fast, forgetting they can not stop quickly, causing major accidents. And the Japanese 4x4's seem to be worse, as most do not have positraction. Positraction is just an American manufacturer's name for a limited slip differential. The Toyota 4x4's have LSD's. |
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/23/2016 7:32 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 18:15:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/22/2016 12:19 PM, wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:55:10 -0500, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:20:56 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 08:30:44 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I got rid of my first motorcycle after a bizarre accident in Kansas that left both me and the bike uninjured, thanks to a quickly falling snowstorm. Traded the Honda for a nice, safe, used Chevy. :) One of my best sources for rice burning motor cycles was from people who bought them thinking they were the perfect commuter vehicle. All it took was the first wisp of snow or a little black ice on the road and they were real cheap but they usually needed a little work. ;-) I put them back together, shined them up and sold them in the spring. One year I threw a Honda 350 in my van, took it to Florida and paid for my trip. It sold in a day. Going down on ice usually doesn't do any severe damage...few scratches, turn signals, maybe brake or clutch lever. Experience talking...luckily with a small Honda 125. I was in uniform going to work at Ft. Belvoir. MPs stopped and told me I wasn't allowed to ride a motorcycle when there was snow on the roads. I didn't challenge him, but I still wonder if that 'law' really existed! That sounds more like a base restriction. As for damage, you do OK unless you hit something. The RD350 Yammy I got cheap had 2 bent fork tubes. I thought I would be truing the front wheel but it survived OK. I had to paint the tank on a 125 I picked up and replace some stuff missing from the right handlebar. I learned how to paint with rattle cans in those days. The Yamaha paint job was a 3 step process. The trick, as with any spray painting is never stop moving and pulse the valve. While attending ET school in GLakes I rode a Honda 350 back and forth from our apartment because my wife needed the car. During the winter the base would not allow the bike "on base", so I had to park it outside the main gate. Wasn't fun riding it in snow and I would never recommend it. We disagree. My little Honda 125 was an on/off road bike, didn't have knobby tires, but they were almost knobby. I'd take it into the woods at Ft. Belvoir and have a blast riding in the snow. Wore a snowmobile suit. Went down a few times, but never anything serious. Probably put half a dozen new turn signals on that thing. But, commuting in the winter with ice and snow is something I sure as hell wouldn't do now. I learned that one the hard way. Actually, I was mistaken about the Honda 350. I had one of them later. The bike I rode back and forth to the base was a Honda 305 "Super Hawk". It's not an off-road type bike. It's a street bike and in the snow the tires were basically slicks. I remember riding it with about 6 inches of snow on the road with both feet out on the road, sorta "skiing" to keep the bike from sliding out from under me. Sounds like fun - for a half mile anyway! |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 11/23/16 7:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/23/2016 7:32 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 18:15:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/22/2016 12:19 PM, wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:55:10 -0500, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:20:56 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 08:30:44 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I got rid of my first motorcycle after a bizarre accident in Kansas that left both me and the bike uninjured, thanks to a quickly falling snowstorm. Traded the Honda for a nice, safe, used Chevy. :) One of my best sources for rice burning motor cycles was from people who bought them thinking they were the perfect commuter vehicle. All it took was the first wisp of snow or a little black ice on the road and they were real cheap but they usually needed a little work. ;-) I put them back together, shined them up and sold them in the spring. One year I threw a Honda 350 in my van, took it to Florida and paid for my trip. It sold in a day. Going down on ice usually doesn't do any severe damage...few scratches, turn signals, maybe brake or clutch lever. Experience talking...luckily with a small Honda 125. I was in uniform going to work at Ft. Belvoir. MPs stopped and told me I wasn't allowed to ride a motorcycle when there was snow on the roads. I didn't challenge him, but I still wonder if that 'law' really existed! That sounds more like a base restriction. As for damage, you do OK unless you hit something. The RD350 Yammy I got cheap had 2 bent fork tubes. I thought I would be truing the front wheel but it survived OK. I had to paint the tank on a 125 I picked up and replace some stuff missing from the right handlebar. I learned how to paint with rattle cans in those days. The Yamaha paint job was a 3 step process. The trick, as with any spray painting is never stop moving and pulse the valve. While attending ET school in GLakes I rode a Honda 350 back and forth from our apartment because my wife needed the car. During the winter the base would not allow the bike "on base", so I had to park it outside the main gate. Wasn't fun riding it in snow and I would never recommend it. We disagree. My little Honda 125 was an on/off road bike, didn't have knobby tires, but they were almost knobby. I'd take it into the woods at Ft. Belvoir and have a blast riding in the snow. Wore a snowmobile suit. Went down a few times, but never anything serious. Probably put half a dozen new turn signals on that thing. But, commuting in the winter with ice and snow is something I sure as hell wouldn't do now. I learned that one the hard way. Actually, I was mistaken about the Honda 350. I had one of them later. The bike I rode back and forth to the base was a Honda 305 "Super Hawk". It's not an off-road type bike. It's a street bike and in the snow the tires were basically slicks. I remember riding it with about 6 inches of snow on the road with both feet out on the road, sorta "skiing" to keep the bike from sliding out from under me. I learned my lesson riding a Honda in the snow. I am wondering, though, how my 4WD Toyota Tacoma will do in the snow. It has all-terrain/all-season tires, I think, plus a manual transmission, but, of course, it suffers from the typical pickup truck ailment of not a lot of weight on the rear tires. I only got the 4WD model because a number of on-line reports indicated it did well in the snow. We'll see. 4WD and AWD are not the same so it will likely favor the rear wheels and there probably isn't a system (computer) to adjust for loss of traction on a single wheel like and AWD system. |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 15:14:36 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote: Keyser Soze - show quoted text - "I usually don't wander out until one of the neighbors at the entrance to our little subdivision emails everyone that the state road there has been hit at least once by the plow. At that point, I decide whether to pay the $100 or so to have our driveway plowed. If the truck does as I hope, I might avoid a few "plow jobs." The Beltway is a great place to avoid during snowstorms." The Highlander does just fine with it's full time 4 wheel drive on all season tires. I do stay home until the plow has been around but would probably take it out to play if I had real winter tires. In Quebec, it's the law that you must have winter tires and now all the tire manufacturers and dealers are doing their best to convince us to do the same. I haven't bought winter tires in about 35 years....since I switched to front wheel drive vehicles. (and now..4 wheel drive) Just had 4 new Michelin premium LTX tires installed to replace the original equipment Toyota Open Country tires. Down here it seems most steel radial tires are rated M&S (look at the sidewall). That is mud and snow. |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 11/23/16 7:33 PM, Califbill wrote: wrote: On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 08:00:25 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I learned my lesson riding a Honda in the snow. I am wondering, though, how my 4WD Toyota Tacoma will do in the snow. It has all-terrain/all-season tires, I think, plus a manual transmission, but, of course, it suffers from the typical pickup truck ailment of not a lot of weight on the rear tires. I only got the 4WD model because a number of on-line reports indicated it did well in the snow. We'll see. The thing you have to remember about 4wd is if you lose the back end, the front is probably going with it. I hockey pucked my Jeep a few times on the beltway before I figured out that I should leave it in 2 wheel until I needed it. Big problem we have with the 4x4 in the Sierra snow, is they drive fast, forgetting they can not stop quickly, causing major accidents. And the Japanese 4x4's seem to be worse, as most do not have positraction. Positraction is just an American manufacturer's name for a limited slip differential. The Toyota 4x4's have LSD's. For years they did not. Maybe it is an option. Positraction is a type of limited slip differential. Detroit Locker another. The Detroit is better for drag racing, but can suck on road courses. Positraction has a bunch of clutch disks that slowly engage, while a Detroit Locker case some cams that are on or off. |
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On 11/24/2016 12:26 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/23/16 7:33 PM, Califbill wrote: wrote: On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 08:00:25 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I learned my lesson riding a Honda in the snow. I am wondering, though, how my 4WD Toyota Tacoma will do in the snow. It has all-terrain/all-season tires, I think, plus a manual transmission, but, of course, it suffers from the typical pickup truck ailment of not a lot of weight on the rear tires. I only got the 4WD model because a number of on-line reports indicated it did well in the snow. We'll see. The thing you have to remember about 4wd is if you lose the back end, the front is probably going with it. I hockey pucked my Jeep a few times on the beltway before I figured out that I should leave it in 2 wheel until I needed it. Big problem we have with the 4x4 in the Sierra snow, is they drive fast, forgetting they can not stop quickly, causing major accidents. And the Japanese 4x4's seem to be worse, as most do not have positraction. Positraction is just an American manufacturer's name for a limited slip differential. The Toyota 4x4's have LSD's. For years they did not. Maybe it is an option. Positraction is a type of limited slip differential. Detroit Locker another. The Detroit is better for drag racing, but can suck on road courses. Positraction has a bunch of clutch disks that slowly engage, while a Detroit Locker case some cams that are on or off. I don't think today's limited slip differential is the same as the old positraction of years ago. During the muscle car era some of the old Pontiacs had "Positraction" and both rear tires would leave rubber when you got on it. Can't do that with a limited slip differencial. I think just about all pickup trucks have LSD on the rear ... 4x4 or not. Harry mentioned a pickup's lack of weight on the rear tires. I really am not sure how much that affects driving in snow. I've put over a 1000 lbs of weight in the bed of my F-250 to experiment when plowing and I don't think it has any more traction ... meaning driving slowly up a hill in snow ... than when the bed is empty. It will lose traction going up the hill and the only way to make the climb is to engage four wheel drive. Our previous house had a fairly steep section of driveway. I once had to hook a chain onto an oil delivery truck and help him get up the slope with my truck. Plenty of weight on the dual rear wheels of that oil truck. |
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On Monday, November 21, 2016 at 8:40:02 AM UTC-6, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 11/21/16 9:05 AM, justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 11/20/16 11:17 PM, Tim wrote: On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 8:14:53 PM UTC-6, wrote: On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 12:37:40 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Our gas is 96 cents a liter right now. That would be almost $4US a gallon and we are paying less than $2 in Ft Myers. 1.82per gal in Effingham IL today. And that's whith gobs of taxes applied per gal. too And not only that, but Effingham has an ugly steel cross that its sponsors believe is one of the "largest" in the United States, 198 feet tall, making the town a "must see" for, well, I suppose, cross lovers looking for cheap gasoline. Anyone ever tell you you're weird? Weird is setting up a 198-foot tall steel cross in a secular little U.S. town. What little town would that be Krause? Where you go shopping for your hand bandages and incontinence supplies?? |
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