On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 21:50:26 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:57:58 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:48:32 -0400, wrote:

On his way down the East Coast approaching St Augustine on the inside.

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Nicely anchored in a really beautiful marsh, 9 miles north of St
Augie. We saw lots of serious dock damage in the JAX area and there
are some good sized timbers floating around just to make life
interesting. There are also a fair number of 30 something sailboats
aground and abandoned along the ICW, most with very visible sail and
canvas damage. Every one is a heartache for some unfortunate owner.

Some guys had a real bad day.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bad%20day%20for%20boaters.JPG

I wonder how they will get these out? Big crane on a barge?

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Ouch. Where was that? The salvage operation will make for a good
YouTube video however they do it. The trouble with a barge crane is
that the fine for damaging those mangroves will probably exceed the
value of the boats.

9:21 PMWayne.B
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Ouch. Where was that? The salvage operation will make for a good
YouTube video however they do it. The trouble with a barge crane is
that the fine for damaging those mangroves will probably exceed the
value of the boats.
....

I was thinking something in that order. May be cheaper to salvage what you can and scrap the rest...

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 22:20:41 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 21:50:26 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:57:58 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:48:32 -0400, wrote:

On his way down the East Coast approaching St Augustine on the inside.

===

Nicely anchored in a really beautiful marsh, 9 miles north of St
Augie. We saw lots of serious dock damage in the JAX area and there
are some good sized timbers floating around just to make life
interesting. There are also a fair number of 30 something sailboats
aground and abandoned along the ICW, most with very visible sail and
canvas damage. Every one is a heartache for some unfortunate owner.

Some guys had a real bad day.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bad%20day%20for%20boaters.JPG

I wonder how they will get these out? Big crane on a barge?

===

Ouch. Where was that? The salvage operation will make for a good
YouTube video however they do it. The trouble with a barge crane is
that the fine for damaging those mangroves will probably exceed the
value of the boats.

I would like to see that before it was cropped. I suspect the water is
right below the line of mangroves you see in the shot so a big enough
crane might be able to reach over them and pick up the boats.
Usually you will have a patch of deep water right up against the
mangroves.
That needle grass they are sitting in will come right back if they
lift the boats straight up.
Trying to cut them up for scrap might do more damage than the salvage.
It will certainly be an interesting operation.
DEP might decide simply cutting a hole in the mangrove wall is the
least damaging thing they can do. There will be some mitigation either
way.
I till try to find out more about the picture. It was in the snooze
press.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 22:20:41 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 21:50:26 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:57:58 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:48:32 -0400, wrote:

On his way down the East Coast approaching St Augustine on the inside.

===

Nicely anchored in a really beautiful marsh, 9 miles north of St
Augie. We saw lots of serious dock damage in the JAX area and there
are some good sized timbers floating around just to make life
interesting. There are also a fair number of 30 something sailboats
aground and abandoned along the ICW, most with very visible sail and
canvas damage. Every one is a heartache for some unfortunate owner.

Some guys had a real bad day.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bad%20day%20for%20boaters.JPG

I wonder how they will get these out? Big crane on a barge?

===

Ouch. Where was that? The salvage operation will make for a good
YouTube video however they do it. The trouble with a barge crane is
that the fine for damaging those mangroves will probably exceed the
value of the boats.

I just looked and that is right up near you in the St Augustine area.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 22:20:41 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 21:50:26 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:57:58 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:48:32 -0400, wrote:

On his way down the East Coast approaching St Augustine on the inside.

===

Nicely anchored in a really beautiful marsh, 9 miles north of St
Augie. We saw lots of serious dock damage in the JAX area and there
are some good sized timbers floating around just to make life
interesting. There are also a fair number of 30 something sailboats
aground and abandoned along the ICW, most with very visible sail and
canvas damage. Every one is a heartache for some unfortunate owner.

Some guys had a real bad day.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bad%20day%20for%20boaters.JPG

I wonder how they will get these out? Big crane on a barge?

===

Ouch. Where was that? The salvage operation will make for a good
YouTube video however they do it. The trouble with a barge crane is
that the fine for damaging those mangroves will probably exceed the
value of the boats.

Just poking around Google Earth and looking at the mangroves, needle
grass etc, my guess is right across from river's edge marina, maybe
Oasis around the corner. I suppose someone not as salty as you may
have stuffed them up in the bushes somewhere else and they got loose.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 21:50:26 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:57:58 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:48:32 -0400, wrote:

On his way down the East Coast approaching St Augustine on the inside.

===

Nicely anchored in a really beautiful marsh, 9 miles north of St
Augie. We saw lots of serious dock damage in the JAX area and there
are some good sized timbers floating around just to make life
interesting. There are also a fair number of 30 something sailboats
aground and abandoned along the ICW, most with very visible sail and
canvas damage. Every one is a heartache for some unfortunate owner.

Some guys had a real bad day.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bad%20day%20for%20boaters.JPG

I wonder how they will get these out? Big crane on a barge?

===

Ouch. Where was that? The salvage operation will make for a good
YouTube video however they do it. The trouble with a barge crane is
that the fine for damaging those mangroves will probably exceed the
value of the boats.


Big chopper?

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 00:29:46 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 21:50:26 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:57:58 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:48:32 -0400, wrote:

On his way down the East Coast approaching St Augustine on the inside.

===

Nicely anchored in a really beautiful marsh, 9 miles north of St
Augie. We saw lots of serious dock damage in the JAX area and there
are some good sized timbers floating around just to make life
interesting. There are also a fair number of 30 something sailboats
aground and abandoned along the ICW, most with very visible sail and
canvas damage. Every one is a heartache for some unfortunate owner.

Some guys had a real bad day.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bad%20day%20for%20boaters.JPG

I wonder how they will get these out? Big crane on a barge?

===

Ouch. Where was that? The salvage operation will make for a good
YouTube video however they do it. The trouble with a barge crane is
that the fine for damaging those mangroves will probably exceed the
value of the boats.


Big chopper?

I think there is a military chopper that can pick up ~20 tons but I am
not sure that is enough. What does a boat like that weigh?
The old Chinook could pick up 12 tons or so.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 22:20:41 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:



Ouch. Where was that? The salvage operation will make for a good
YouTube video however they do it. The trouble with a barge crane is
that the fine for damaging those mangroves will probably exceed the
value of the boats.

I talked to a St Aug guy and he says it was Conch House Marina, right
around the corner from where you were at 1119. You can see the parted
gas dock in the picture, still attached to the boats.
That must be in the Anastasia SP
Still waiting to hear how they extricated the boats.

On 10/11/16 1:57 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 22:20:41 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:



Ouch. Where was that? The salvage operation will make for a good
YouTube video however they do it. The trouble with a barge crane is
that the fine for damaging those mangroves will probably exceed the
value of the boats.

I talked to a St Aug guy and he says it was Conch House Marina, right
around the corner from where you were at 1119. You can see the parted
gas dock in the picture, still attached to the boats.
That must be in the Anastasia SP
Still waiting to hear how they extricated the boats.



St. Augustine was hit pretty hard...lots of damage at the marinas, fish
camp, boat ramps, houses along the ICW, houses and businesses further
inland, beaches, dunes, et cetera. The Gainesville paper has a decent
photo spread.

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 16:36:28 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Still waiting to hear how they extricated the boats.

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We went through there this morning and the boats are still in the
mangroves. There's a huge amount of work to be done. Boats are
everywhere - lawns, roads, marshes, mangroves, on and on.