On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 12:57:01 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

It is really about both of them. Maybe we should have a do over on the
candidate selections. The GOP knows Trump is a losing proposition and
Hillary is not much better.
It really means the parties will need to get out the vote for their
down ticket because there is not much reason to get excited by the
presidential candidates from either party. This could really be a
"stay at home" election.

That's funny, I was thinking the same thing earlier. Most voters this election will probably be going to the polls to vote *against* a candidate, not for one.

That is the perfect storm of low voter turn out, particularly when
both candidates have more than half the country not trusting them.

Presidential elections always come down to the same 8 states and those
are the ones we need to watch. I know there are Hillary ads showing up
here every 10 minutes right now, trying to rehabilitate her image but
they are largely bull****. From the ad, you would think she did
volunteer work "for the children" all of her life. They don't mention
her time as a corporate lawyer or her time on the board of walmart,
only the few months she spent after college, while looking for a real
job.

On 7/7/16 3:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/7/2016 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:42:32 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

But Hillary is being pilloried by the GOP for using a private server?

No Hillary's qualifications are being questioned because she was
"sloppy", "negligent" and "Very careless" with top secret materials
that "any reasonable person would know were secret at the time".
Some were even marked that way according to Comey.
There is also the question about her lying under oath about it.
It is also interesting that Comey said he will not release the details
of these recovered E-mails until after the election so we do not know
what else may have been discussed.
Bear in mind, the details of Watergate were not released until after
the election too. I remember how that worked out.
I think she is the most likely president to be impeached since her
husband.



It also appears that she has lied (again) to the public and in
congressional hearings while under oath.

I feel for Harry. It must be tough to mindlessly support his party's
choice in their candidate when it is obvious to the most oblivious
observer that her reputation for lying and deceitfulness is so well
deserved (and confirmed).

This isn't about Trump. It's about Hillary.

I don't have any problems voting for Hillary. There isn't a Republican
on that list of 17 I would have voted for, under any circumstances, for
many reasons.

On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 15:45:49 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


I don't have any problems voting for Hillary.
Of course not, You would vote for Al Sharpton if he was the democrat
candidate.

There isn't a Republican
on that list of 17 I would have voted for, under any circumstances, for
many reasons.

Me either. The closest might have been Kasich but he is still an empty
suit

On 7/7/16 4:02 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 15:45:49 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


I don't have any problems voting for Hillary.
Of course not, You would vote for Al Sharpton if he was the democrat
candidate.

There isn't a Republican
on that list of 17 I would have voted for, under any circumstances, for
many reasons.

Me either. The closest might have been Kasich but he is still an empty
suit



I certainly would vote for The Rev. for POTUS before I would vote for
any of the Gang of 17.

BTW, did you catch this exchange:

MATT CARTWRIGHT: You were asked about markings on a few documents, I
have the manual here, marking national classified security information.
And I don't think you were given a full chance to talk about those three
documents with the little c's on them. Were they properly documented?
Were they properly marked according to the manual?

JAMES COMEY: No. [...]

MATT CARTWRIGHT: According to the manual, if you're going to classify
something, there has to be a header on the document? Right?

JAMES COMEY: Correct.

MATT CARTWRIGHT: Was there a header on the three documents that we've
discussed today that had the little c in the text someplace?

JAMES COMEY: No. There were three e-mails, the c was in the body, in the
text, but there was no header on the email or in the text.

MATT CARTWRIGHT: So if Secretary Clinton really were an expert about
what's classified and what's not classified and we're following the
manual, the absence of a header would tell her immediately that those
three documents were not classified. Am I correct in that?

JAMES COMEY: That would be a reasonable inference.

On 7/7/2016 3:45 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/7/16 3:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/7/2016 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:42:32 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

But Hillary is being pilloried by the GOP for using a private server?

No Hillary's qualifications are being questioned because she was
"sloppy", "negligent" and "Very careless" with top secret materials
that "any reasonable person would know were secret at the time".
Some were even marked that way according to Comey.
There is also the question about her lying under oath about it.
It is also interesting that Comey said he will not release the details
of these recovered E-mails until after the election so we do not know
what else may have been discussed.
Bear in mind, the details of Watergate were not released until after
the election too. I remember how that worked out.
I think she is the most likely president to be impeached since her
husband.



It also appears that she has lied (again) to the public and in
congressional hearings while under oath.

I feel for Harry. It must be tough to mindlessly support his party's
choice in their candidate when it is obvious to the most oblivious
observer that her reputation for lying and deceitfulness is so well
deserved (and confirmed).

This isn't about Trump. It's about Hillary.

I don't have any problems voting for Hillary. There isn't a Republican
on that list of 17 I would have voted for, under any circumstances, for
many reasons.

I'd respect your position more if you *had* some problems regarding
Hillary but chalked it off to the lesser of two evils. I could never,
ever say I had "no problem" voting for a proven liar with the history of
deceitfulness represented in Hillary Clinton.

On 7/7/16 5:28 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/7/2016 3:45 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/7/16 3:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/7/2016 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:42:32 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

But Hillary is being pilloried by the GOP for using a private server?

No Hillary's qualifications are being questioned because she was
"sloppy", "negligent" and "Very careless" with top secret materials
that "any reasonable person would know were secret at the time".
Some were even marked that way according to Comey.
There is also the question about her lying under oath about it.
It is also interesting that Comey said he will not release the details
of these recovered E-mails until after the election so we do not know
what else may have been discussed.
Bear in mind, the details of Watergate were not released until after
the election too. I remember how that worked out.
I think she is the most likely president to be impeached since her
husband.



It also appears that she has lied (again) to the public and in
congressional hearings while under oath.

I feel for Harry. It must be tough to mindlessly support his party's
choice in their candidate when it is obvious to the most oblivious
observer that her reputation for lying and deceitfulness is so well
deserved (and confirmed).

This isn't about Trump. It's about Hillary.

I don't have any problems voting for Hillary. There isn't a Republican
on that list of 17 I would have voted for, under any circumstances, for
many reasons.

I'd respect your position more if you *had* some problems regarding
Hillary but chalked it off to the lesser of two evils. I could never,
ever say I had "no problem" voting for a proven liar with the history of
deceitfulness represented in Hillary Clinton.




I've had "problems" with every presidential candidate I've ever voted
for, but, as I said, I don't have any problems *voting* for Hillary.

As for lying, the fact checkers state that Trump has let loose more
colossal lies than any other candidate, and by a long shot.

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/7/16 3:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/7/2016 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:42:32 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

But Hillary is being pilloried by the GOP for using a private server?

No Hillary's qualifications are being questioned because she was
"sloppy", "negligent" and "Very careless" with top secret materials
that "any reasonable person would know were secret at the time".
Some were even marked that way according to Comey.
There is also the question about her lying under oath about it.
It is also interesting that Comey said he will not release the details
of these recovered E-mails until after the election so we do not know
what else may have been discussed.
Bear in mind, the details of Watergate were not released until after
the election too. I remember how that worked out.
I think she is the most likely president to be impeached since her
husband.



It also appears that she has lied (again) to the public and in
congressional hearings while under oath.

I feel for Harry. It must be tough to mindlessly support his party's
choice in their candidate when it is obvious to the most oblivious
observer that her reputation for lying and deceitfulness is so well
deserved (and confirmed).

This isn't about Trump. It's about Hillary.

I don't have any problems voting for Hillary. There isn't a Republican
on that list of 17 I would have voted for, under any circumstances,
for many reasons.

One reason, right? The (R).

"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 7/7/2016 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:42:32 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

But Hillary is being pilloried by the GOP for using a private server?

No Hillary's qualifications are being questioned because she was
"sloppy", "negligent" and "Very careless" with top secret materials
that "any reasonable person would know were secret at the time".
Some were even marked that way according to Comey.
There is also the question about her lying under oath about it.
It is also interesting that Comey said he will not release the details
of these recovered E-mails until after the election so we do not know
what else may have been discussed.
Bear in mind, the details of Watergate were not released until after
the election too. I remember how that worked out.
I think she is the most likely president to be impeached since her
husband.



It also appears that she has lied (again) to the public and in
congressional hearings while under oath.

I feel for Harry. It must be tough to mindlessly support his party's
choice in their candidate when it is obvious to the most oblivious
observer that her reputation for lying and deceitfulness is so well
deserved (and confirmed).

This isn't about Trump. It's about Hillary.


Harry and Hilly and Billie share the same moral compass. Lying is
a way of life to them.
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Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
Let me see if I can recall a bit of presidential history.

Ford pardoned Nixon.
Reagan sold arms to Iran and funded a secret war in Central America
without the knowledge of Congress, and then lied to the American people
about it.
George Herbert Walker Bush participated in Reagan?s secret arms deals
and then told us, ?No new taxes,? and, of course, there were new taxes.
George W. Bush lied about Iraq?s role in 9/11 and then lied us into the
costliest war in U.S. history. His veep, Dick Cheney, outed a covert CIA
agent as political payback.

But Hillary is being pilloried by the GOP for using a private server?



It's not the doing that will be her downfall. It's the lying that
will do her in. Same thing as slick willy. Member he swore under
oath "I did not have set with that woman". Hilly might be an even
bigger dirtbag.

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On 7/7/2016 9:00 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
Let me see if I can recall a bit of presidential history.

Ford pardoned Nixon.
Reagan sold arms to Iran and funded a secret war in Central America
without the knowledge of Congress, and then lied to the American people
about it.
George Herbert Walker Bush participated in Reagan?s secret arms deals
and then told us, ?No new taxes,? and, of course, there were new taxes.
George W. Bush lied about Iraq?s role in 9/11 and then lied us into the
costliest war in U.S. history. His veep, Dick Cheney, outed a covert CIA
agent as political payback.

But Hillary is being pilloried by the GOP for using a private server?



It's not the doing that will be her downfall. It's the lying that
will do her in. Same thing as slick willy. Member he swore under
oath "I did not have set with that woman". Hilly might be an even
bigger dirtbag.


Maybe, but Bill was (is) slicker than Hillary. He knows how to lie and
for the most part, get away with them. Hillary just blurts the lies out
without thinking of their ramifications. When caught ... like her famous
account of her trip to Bosnia under heavy sniper fire ... she clings to
the lie for a while and then finally gives up, figuratively gives
everyone the finger and says "so what?"