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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 12:06:57 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/24/2016 11:49 AM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 00:30:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2016 8:11 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:56:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. With the sub woof, there is plenty of low. Not long after Bose introduced the 901's they also introduced the original 501 series. The 501 had a 10" woofer and two small combination mid-range and tweeter drivers. One of the mid-range/tweeter drivers was aimed backwards to bounce off a wall. In fact, the early 501's (series III) had a knob on the top that allowed you to adjust the angle of the back firing driver. I had a set of the original 501's and later a set of the series III. They had more than enough bass response for the average living room. Biggest difference was the originals were 4 ohms and the later series (starting with III) were 8 ohms. I bought a set of Bose 301's for my mom who had a pretty small living room. Although pretty small bookshelf speakers, they packed a hell of a wallop when desired. Oh, and I'm sure Krause will tell you what ****ty speakers the 501's were. I bought a set of those when my 901's finally kicked the bucket - after about 25 years of hard use. They fit nicely on the same stands which held the 901's. Are you sure they were 501's? The original 501's were much larger than the 901's and were designed as floor standing speakers. They would be quite top heavy on the 901 stands. They looked like this: http://www.bindels.be/a_vendre/pics/bose_501_2.jpg You're right. They were 301's! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 12:56:49 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/24/16 11:49 AM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 00:30:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2016 8:11 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:56:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. With the sub woof, there is plenty of low. Not long after Bose introduced the 901's they also introduced the original 501 series. The 501 had a 10" woofer and two small combination mid-range and tweeter drivers. One of the mid-range/tweeter drivers was aimed backwards to bounce off a wall. In fact, the early 501's (series III) had a knob on the top that allowed you to adjust the angle of the back firing driver. I had a set of the original 501's and later a set of the series III. They had more than enough bass response for the average living room. Biggest difference was the originals were 4 ohms and the later series (starting with III) were 8 ohms. I bought a set of Bose 301's for my mom who had a pretty small living room. Although pretty small bookshelf speakers, they packed a hell of a wallop when desired. Oh, and I'm sure Krause will tell you what ****ty speakers the 501's were. I bought a set of those when my 901's finally kicked the bucket - after about 25 years of hard use. They fit nicely on the same stands which held the 901's. -- Sorry, don't recall ever listening to 501 Bose speakers. Or 301. No need to apologize for that. Apologize for some of the lies you've tried to make folks believe. Start with your Vietnam 'escapades'. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On 2/24/16 3:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 13:34:15 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 12:15:25 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: So Krause's game of "my pecker is bigger than yours", makes one wonder, how does he know? === My boat and your land yacht are both bigger than Harry's pecker and it just annoys the hell out of him. :) -- Ahh, but my pecker still works, which is more than one can say for you, w'hine, and stupid. |
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On Wednesday, February 24, 2016 at 2:28:25 PM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
My father in law had an array of Bose speakers, professionally installed,.... I'm wondering how Bose speakers get 'professionally installed'. Is there a requirement for a union electrician to plug the wires into the back of the amplifier? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns! Hey, it wasn't just a pair, it was an "array". Probably took three or four professionals to do the install. |
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On 2/24/16 2:23 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 08:54:46 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 20:14:15 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:53 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:22:36 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:19 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:56:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. Yup. A 'wag'. You skipped the question. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- No, Johnny, I'm not a racist pig full of hate, as you are. As for little speakers, I'm just not convinced how well they can defy the laws of physics, especially in the mid to lower ranges. My father in law had an array of Bose speakers, professionally installed, and when I first heard them, I thought they sounded like what you'd hear in the average four speaker car radio system...but I never told him that, of course. Sounds like your father, God rest his soul, did two things wrong - fathered a liar and didn't match speakers to the requirement. Professional installation of the wrong speakers doesn't mean ****. Get over yourself Krause. -- My father preferred a Hammond B3 with a Leslie speaker. My father in law was the Bose fan. I'm not sure you are in a position physically to judge the quality of musical output from speakers. Krause, I will say it again. Normal people buy speakers that produce sounds they enjoy. You, obviously, prefer speakers which have suitable (to you) numbers. What your father preferred has absolutely no bearing on anything, except perhaps to lend some braggadocio to your arrogant arguments. You're really stuck on yourself, eh Krause? -- You brought up my father So what? I didn't read 'father-in-law'. I saw the word 'father' and went no further. Apparently your father didn't give a rat's ass about whether his speaker sounded like the NSO, eh? -- It helps to understand what you are reading...someone you frequently demonstrate you cannot do. |
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 12:06:57 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/24/2016 11:49 AM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 00:30:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2016 8:11 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:56:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. With the sub woof, there is plenty of low. Not long after Bose introduced the 901's they also introduced the original 501 series. The 501 had a 10" woofer and two small combination mid-range and tweeter drivers. One of the mid-range/tweeter drivers was aimed backwards to bounce off a wall. In fact, the early 501's (series III) had a knob on the top that allowed you to adjust the angle of the back firing driver. I had a set of the original 501's and later a set of the series III. They had more than enough bass response for the average living room. Biggest difference was the originals were 4 ohms and the later series (starting with III) were 8 ohms. I bought a set of Bose 301's for my mom who had a pretty small living room. Although pretty small bookshelf speakers, they packed a hell of a wallop when desired. Oh, and I'm sure Krause will tell you what ****ty speakers the 501's were. I bought a set of those when my 901's finally kicked the bucket - after about 25 years of hard use. They fit nicely on the same stands which held the 901's. Are you sure they were 501's? The original 501's were much larger than the 901's and were designed as floor standing speakers. They would be quite top heavy on the 901 stands. They looked like this: http://www.bindels.be/a_vendre/pics/bose_501_2.jpg Hell, those 501's look like the damn Wharfedales I got as a 2LT. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:24:29 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/24/16 3:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 13:34:15 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 12:15:25 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: So Krause's game of "my pecker is bigger than yours", makes one wonder, how does he know? === My boat and your land yacht are both bigger than Harry's pecker and it just annoys the hell out of him. :) -- Ahh, but my pecker still works, which is more than one can say for you, w'hine, and stupid. You've been checking them out, eh Krause? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 12:28:18 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:
On Wednesday, February 24, 2016 at 2:28:25 PM UTC-5, John H. wrote: My father in law had an array of Bose speakers, professionally installed,.... I'm wondering how Bose speakers get 'professionally installed'. Is there a requirement for a union electrician to plug the wires into the back of the amplifier? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns! Hey, it wasn't just a pair, it was an "array". Probably took three or four professionals to do the install. Oh, I missed that. I saw an array of 901's once, in a night club in I Tae Won, a part of Seoul, Korea. The club had six or eight mounted on the walls around the huge dance floor. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:28:59 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/24/16 2:23 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 08:54:46 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 20:14:15 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:53 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:22:36 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:19 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:56:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. Yup. A 'wag'. You skipped the question. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- No, Johnny, I'm not a racist pig full of hate, as you are. As for little speakers, I'm just not convinced how well they can defy the laws of physics, especially in the mid to lower ranges. My father in law had an array of Bose speakers, professionally installed, and when I first heard them, I thought they sounded like what you'd hear in the average four speaker car radio system...but I never told him that, of course. Sounds like your father, God rest his soul, did two things wrong - fathered a liar and didn't match speakers to the requirement. Professional installation of the wrong speakers doesn't mean ****. Get over yourself Krause. -- My father preferred a Hammond B3 with a Leslie speaker. My father in law was the Bose fan. I'm not sure you are in a position physically to judge the quality of musical output from speakers. Krause, I will say it again. Normal people buy speakers that produce sounds they enjoy. You, obviously, prefer speakers which have suitable (to you) numbers. What your father preferred has absolutely no bearing on anything, except perhaps to lend some braggadocio to your arrogant arguments. You're really stuck on yourself, eh Krause? -- You brought up my father So what? I didn't read 'father-in-law'. I saw the word 'father' and went no further. Apparently your father didn't give a rat's ass about whether his speaker sounded like the NSO, eh? -- It helps to understand what you are reading...someone you frequently demonstrate you cannot do. Proper punctuation and vocabulary can be an aide to reading comprehension, and vice-versa. '...someone you frequently demonstrate you cannot do.' I've not tried to 'do' anyone. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On 2/24/2016 2:25 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 10:14:22 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/24/2016 8:54 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 20:14:15 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:53 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:22:36 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:19 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:56:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. Yup. A 'wag'. You skipped the question. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- No, Johnny, I'm not a racist pig full of hate, as you are. As for little speakers, I'm just not convinced how well they can defy the laws of physics, especially in the mid to lower ranges. My father in law had an array of Bose speakers, professionally installed, and when I first heard them, I thought they sounded like what you'd hear in the average four speaker car radio system...but I never told him that, of course. Sounds like your father, God rest his soul, did two things wrong - fathered a liar and didn't match speakers to the requirement. Professional installation of the wrong speakers doesn't mean ****. Get over yourself Krause. -- My father preferred a Hammond B3 with a Leslie speaker. My father in law was the Bose fan. I'm not sure you are in a position physically to judge the quality of musical output from speakers. Krause, I will say it again. Normal people buy speakers that produce sounds they enjoy. You, obviously, prefer speakers which have suitable (to you) numbers. What your father preferred has absolutely no bearing on anything, except perhaps to lend some braggadocio to your arrogant arguments. You're really stuck on yourself, eh Krause? -- You brought up my father What's up with all the racist crap you always bellow when you hear something you don't like or reply to someone you don't like? What's up with that, eh, moron? He's not a 'racist pig full of hate'. But, one must wonder what he's full of, if not hate. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns! I'm not sure Krause is not racist. The word is constantly on the tip of his tongue. Is he trying to over compensate? |
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On 2/24/2016 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:28:59 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/24/16 2:23 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 08:54:46 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 20:14:15 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:53 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:22:36 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:19 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:56:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. Yup. A 'wag'. You skipped the question. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- No, Johnny, I'm not a racist pig full of hate, as you are. As for little speakers, I'm just not convinced how well they can defy the laws of physics, especially in the mid to lower ranges. My father in law had an array of Bose speakers, professionally installed, and when I first heard them, I thought they sounded like what you'd hear in the average four speaker car radio system...but I never told him that, of course. Sounds like your father, God rest his soul, did two things wrong - fathered a liar and didn't match speakers to the requirement. Professional installation of the wrong speakers doesn't mean ****. Get over yourself Krause. -- My father preferred a Hammond B3 with a Leslie speaker. My father in law was the Bose fan. I'm not sure you are in a position physically to judge the quality of musical output from speakers. Krause, I will say it again. Normal people buy speakers that produce sounds they enjoy. You, obviously, prefer speakers which have suitable (to you) numbers. What your father preferred has absolutely no bearing on anything, except perhaps to lend some braggadocio to your arrogant arguments. You're really stuck on yourself, eh Krause? -- You brought up my father So what? I didn't read 'father-in-law'. I saw the word 'father' and went no further. Apparently your father didn't give a rat's ass about whether his speaker sounded like the NSO, eh? -- It helps to understand what you are reading...someone you frequently demonstrate you cannot do. Proper punctuation and vocabulary can be an aide to reading comprehension, and vice-versa. '...someone you frequently demonstrate you cannot do.' I've not tried to 'do' anyone. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns! Snicker! |
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:51:41 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote: On 2/24/2016 2:25 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 10:14:22 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/24/2016 8:54 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 20:14:15 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:53 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:22:36 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:19 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:56:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. Yup. A 'wag'. You skipped the question. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- No, Johnny, I'm not a racist pig full of hate, as you are. As for little speakers, I'm just not convinced how well they can defy the laws of physics, especially in the mid to lower ranges. My father in law had an array of Bose speakers, professionally installed, and when I first heard them, I thought they sounded like what you'd hear in the average four speaker car radio system...but I never told him that, of course. Sounds like your father, God rest his soul, did two things wrong - fathered a liar and didn't match speakers to the requirement. Professional installation of the wrong speakers doesn't mean ****. Get over yourself Krause. -- My father preferred a Hammond B3 with a Leslie speaker. My father in law was the Bose fan. I'm not sure you are in a position physically to judge the quality of musical output from speakers. Krause, I will say it again. Normal people buy speakers that produce sounds they enjoy. You, obviously, prefer speakers which have suitable (to you) numbers. What your father preferred has absolutely no bearing on anything, except perhaps to lend some braggadocio to your arrogant arguments. You're really stuck on yourself, eh Krause? -- You brought up my father What's up with all the racist crap you always bellow when you hear something you don't like or reply to someone you don't like? What's up with that, eh, moron? He's not a 'racist pig full of hate'. But, one must wonder what he's full of, if not hate. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns! I'm not sure Krause is not racist. The word is constantly on the tip of his tongue. Is he trying to over compensate? === He's full of hate for those who have succeeded where he failed. |
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On 2/24/2016 3:24 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/24/16 3:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 13:34:15 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 12:15:25 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: So Krause's game of "my pecker is bigger than yours", makes one wonder, how does he know? === My boat and your land yacht are both bigger than Harry's pecker and it just annoys the hell out of him. :) -- Ahh, but my pecker still works, which is more than one can say for you, w'hine, and stupid. Is Harry a pecker stalker? Sounds like it. |
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:17:58 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/24/2016 4:20 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:28:59 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/24/16 2:23 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 08:54:46 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 20:14:15 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:53 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:22:36 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:19 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:56:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. Yup. A 'wag'. You skipped the question. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- No, Johnny, I'm not a racist pig full of hate, as you are. As for little speakers, I'm just not convinced how well they can defy the laws of physics, especially in the mid to lower ranges. My father in law had an array of Bose speakers, professionally installed, and when I first heard them, I thought they sounded like what you'd hear in the average four speaker car radio system...but I never told him that, of course. Sounds like your father, God rest his soul, did two things wrong - fathered a liar and didn't match speakers to the requirement. Professional installation of the wrong speakers doesn't mean ****. Get over yourself Krause. -- My father preferred a Hammond B3 with a Leslie speaker. My father in law was the Bose fan. I'm not sure you are in a position physically to judge the quality of musical output from speakers. Krause, I will say it again. Normal people buy speakers that produce sounds they enjoy. You, obviously, prefer speakers which have suitable (to you) numbers. What your father preferred has absolutely no bearing on anything, except perhaps to lend some braggadocio to your arrogant arguments. You're really stuck on yourself, eh Krause? -- You brought up my father So what? I didn't read 'father-in-law'. I saw the word 'father' and went no further. Apparently your father didn't give a rat's ass about whether his speaker sounded like the NSO, eh? -- It helps to understand what you are reading...someone you frequently demonstrate you cannot do. Proper punctuation and vocabulary can be an aide to reading comprehension, and vice-versa. '...someone you frequently demonstrate you cannot do.' I've not tried to 'do' anyone. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns! Snicker! What can you say? There was someone else here who always managed to dick up his corrections of others. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns! |
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Bose? Klipsch? who are those guys. You wanna get some serious speakers get a couple of OHM F series. Best speakers I've ever owned. Just make sure you munch them with some decent power. They don't like skinny watts... http://img.canuckaudiomart.com/uploa...v ailable.jpg |
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On Wednesday, February 24, 2016 at 6:46:25 PM UTC-6, Tim wrote:
Bose? Klipsch? who are those guys. You wanna get some serious speakers get a couple of OHM F series. Best speakers I've ever owned. Just make sure you match them with some decent power. They don't like skinny watts... http://img.canuckaudiomart.com/uploa...v ailable.jpg Yeah, just to add a bit of history and their radical design, here's something worth reading. And to think that poor Lincoln Walsh died a year prior to his highbrow drivers went into production... http://ohmspeaker.com/legacy-products/f/ |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/23/16 6:50 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:18:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:08 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 01:06:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Dunno. I just know I/Os usually come from up north and get replaced with an outboard boat here pretty quickly. I think the 4 stroke outboard has really taken a bite out of any advantage an I/O had. they are certainly a lot easier to work on you are standing up and not standing on your head with a flashlight and a mirror. No argument from me on that. I've had two I/O type boats and I'd never own another one again but the problems were not due to the bellows. Outboards on smaller boats ... (although a lot more costly) and inboards (diesel) with fixed props and rudders for the bigger ones. I am not really even sure outboards cost more since they seem to be lighter and you don't need as big a one. Price a new, 2016 250 hp Yamaha V6 and get back to us..., and don't forget to add in rigging. Motor weighs about 600 pounds. The discussion has been about Don's 17.5' boat. You reckon Greg is thinking 250hp for that boat? Don't you ever get sick of yourself? -- The price of a 135 hp Yamaha outboard is $14,000+, **** for brains. I would guess you could buy at least two or maybe three I/O's of that horsepower for that money. Of course, the BOSE model is smaller but more expensive. :) Your guess is wrong. |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/24/16 12:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2016 5:56 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. That slogan has been around since the early 1970's, started by either audio elitists who misunderstood what Bose was marketing and selling in the 901 series speakers or by one of the competing "high end" speaker manufacturers of the day. The Bose 901 speaker design was originally unique in the respect that it employed the "direct/reflecting" concept in a fairly small enclosure for the standards of the time. You have to remember that the "high end" speakers of the 1960's (the 901's were introduced in 1968) were typically large, heavy, (sometimes double walled and sand filled) monstrosities that contained a large 12" or 15" woofer, mid-range and various types of tweeter drivers. The 901's were an attempt to create a sound stage effect by reflecting most of the sound off the walls behind the speakers. The big problem is that few people had living rooms that allowed the 901's to be set up properly. They depend on proper spacing away from hard walls (not curtains or drapes) to sound good. They also shouldn't be placed symmetrically in a room (meaning both speakers being the same distance from a side wall). Guys who understood the placement requirements might have tried but wives usually prevailed in terms of where they ended up in a room. Been there, done that. Another bit about the 901's: Without the Bose equalizer they sound terrible. I've seen vintage 901's set up and being used without the equalizer because it was either lost or not working. Waste of time. Try to find a vintage Bose equalizer on eBay or elsewhere. They don't come up for sale often. That all said, the 901's *can* sound wonderful if properly set up. I have had the unique opportunity to compare a fully functional set (with equalizer) that were made in 1980 to a pair of "high end" (for their day) four foot high JBL studio monitor monsters. Both speaker sets are up in a large garage with the 901's having the benefit of hard, sheetrock walls behind them. The 901's sound better overall to my ears and to everyone who has listened to both in a casual "blind" test. The JBL's sound great. The Bose 901's are clearer though with crisper highs and about the same level of bass as the JBL's. More importantly is the sound stage image they project as compared to the JBL's. The Bose concept works *if* you pay attention to how they are setup. As for other, contemporary Bose products, they are simply an over-priced way to get "big" sound out of small enclosures, IMO. The original direct/reflecting concept has been dropped in favor of things like waveguides to reinforce bass in a small package. Other audio equipment manufacturers have adopted similar waveguide designs over the years that are much less expensive to purchase. Oh ... one other comment for Harry. Bose has never officially published the frequency response curves for any of their products. It's basically meaningless anyway when comparing similar sized speakers. A set of speakers with a theoretically "perfect", flat response curve from 20Hz to 20kHz are not going to sound the same set up in different rooms. The acoustics of the room itself has a major impact on how they sound. Same is true in your favorite concert hall. Millions are spent on the design and acoustic treatment of the hall in order to "equalize" the sound of all the various instruments in a symphony orchestra. Thanks. My points of reference these days remain my electrostatics and a friend's setup with genuine Klipschhorns. Sure. |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/24/16 3:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 13:34:15 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 12:15:25 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: So Krause's game of "my pecker is bigger than yours", makes one wonder, how does he know? === My boat and your land yacht are both bigger than Harry's pecker and it just annoys the hell out of him. :) -- Ahh, but my pecker still works, which is more than one can say for you, w'hine, and stupid. Dumb response from a "adult". Go pay your taxes, WAFA. |
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Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers...
- show quoted text - "Dumb response from a "adult". *Go pay your taxes, WAFA." "a adult"???? Don't you mean 'an adult', Ditzy? |
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On 2/24/2016 9:34 PM, True North wrote:
Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... - show quoted text - "Dumb response from a "adult". Go pay your taxes, WAFA." "a adult"???? Don't you mean 'an adult', Ditzy? Hey, where were you when Krausie needed your help? |
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 20:28:57 -0500, Alex wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/24/16 12:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2016 5:56 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. That slogan has been around since the early 1970's, started by either audio elitists who misunderstood what Bose was marketing and selling in the 901 series speakers or by one of the competing "high end" speaker manufacturers of the day. The Bose 901 speaker design was originally unique in the respect that it employed the "direct/reflecting" concept in a fairly small enclosure for the standards of the time. You have to remember that the "high end" speakers of the 1960's (the 901's were introduced in 1968) were typically large, heavy, (sometimes double walled and sand filled) monstrosities that contained a large 12" or 15" woofer, mid-range and various types of tweeter drivers. The 901's were an attempt to create a sound stage effect by reflecting most of the sound off the walls behind the speakers. The big problem is that few people had living rooms that allowed the 901's to be set up properly. They depend on proper spacing away from hard walls (not curtains or drapes) to sound good. They also shouldn't be placed symmetrically in a room (meaning both speakers being the same distance from a side wall). Guys who understood the placement requirements might have tried but wives usually prevailed in terms of where they ended up in a room. Been there, done that. Another bit about the 901's: Without the Bose equalizer they sound terrible. I've seen vintage 901's set up and being used without the equalizer because it was either lost or not working. Waste of time. Try to find a vintage Bose equalizer on eBay or elsewhere. They don't come up for sale often. That all said, the 901's *can* sound wonderful if properly set up. I have had the unique opportunity to compare a fully functional set (with equalizer) that were made in 1980 to a pair of "high end" (for their day) four foot high JBL studio monitor monsters. Both speaker sets are up in a large garage with the 901's having the benefit of hard, sheetrock walls behind them. The 901's sound better overall to my ears and to everyone who has listened to both in a casual "blind" test. The JBL's sound great. The Bose 901's are clearer though with crisper highs and about the same level of bass as the JBL's. More importantly is the sound stage image they project as compared to the JBL's. The Bose concept works *if* you pay attention to how they are setup. As for other, contemporary Bose products, they are simply an over-priced way to get "big" sound out of small enclosures, IMO. The original direct/reflecting concept has been dropped in favor of things like waveguides to reinforce bass in a small package. Other audio equipment manufacturers have adopted similar waveguide designs over the years that are much less expensive to purchase. Oh ... one other comment for Harry. Bose has never officially published the frequency response curves for any of their products. It's basically meaningless anyway when comparing similar sized speakers. A set of speakers with a theoretically "perfect", flat response curve from 20Hz to 20kHz are not going to sound the same set up in different rooms. The acoustics of the room itself has a major impact on how they sound. Same is true in your favorite concert hall. Millions are spent on the design and acoustic treatment of the hall in order to "equalize" the sound of all the various instruments in a symphony orchestra. Thanks. My points of reference these days remain my electrostatics and a friend's setup with genuine Klipschhorns. Sure. He heard that word from Luddite. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 18:34:33 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:
Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... - show quoted text - "Dumb response from a "adult". *Go pay your taxes, WAFA." "a adult"???? Don't you mean 'an adult', Ditzy? From one who can't spell 'America'. He *meant* 'neophyte adolescent suffering from epistemological loneliness', but figured neither of you would understand. Use of the article 'a' is perfectly acceptable in the context as used. Now go back to some sociability. You're much better at it. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On 2/25/16 6:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 20:28:57 -0500, Alex wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/24/16 12:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2016 5:56 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. That slogan has been around since the early 1970's, started by either audio elitists who misunderstood what Bose was marketing and selling in the 901 series speakers or by one of the competing "high end" speaker manufacturers of the day. The Bose 901 speaker design was originally unique in the respect that it employed the "direct/reflecting" concept in a fairly small enclosure for the standards of the time. You have to remember that the "high end" speakers of the 1960's (the 901's were introduced in 1968) were typically large, heavy, (sometimes double walled and sand filled) monstrosities that contained a large 12" or 15" woofer, mid-range and various types of tweeter drivers. The 901's were an attempt to create a sound stage effect by reflecting most of the sound off the walls behind the speakers. The big problem is that few people had living rooms that allowed the 901's to be set up properly. They depend on proper spacing away from hard walls (not curtains or drapes) to sound good. They also shouldn't be placed symmetrically in a room (meaning both speakers being the same distance from a side wall). Guys who understood the placement requirements might have tried but wives usually prevailed in terms of where they ended up in a room. Been there, done that. Another bit about the 901's: Without the Bose equalizer they sound terrible. I've seen vintage 901's set up and being used without the equalizer because it was either lost or not working. Waste of time. Try to find a vintage Bose equalizer on eBay or elsewhere. They don't come up for sale often. That all said, the 901's *can* sound wonderful if properly set up. I have had the unique opportunity to compare a fully functional set (with equalizer) that were made in 1980 to a pair of "high end" (for their day) four foot high JBL studio monitor monsters. Both speaker sets are up in a large garage with the 901's having the benefit of hard, sheetrock walls behind them. The 901's sound better overall to my ears and to everyone who has listened to both in a casual "blind" test. The JBL's sound great. The Bose 901's are clearer though with crisper highs and about the same level of bass as the JBL's. More importantly is the sound stage image they project as compared to the JBL's. The Bose concept works *if* you pay attention to how they are setup. As for other, contemporary Bose products, they are simply an over-priced way to get "big" sound out of small enclosures, IMO. The original direct/reflecting concept has been dropped in favor of things like waveguides to reinforce bass in a small package. Other audio equipment manufacturers have adopted similar waveguide designs over the years that are much less expensive to purchase. Oh ... one other comment for Harry. Bose has never officially published the frequency response curves for any of their products. It's basically meaningless anyway when comparing similar sized speakers. A set of speakers with a theoretically "perfect", flat response curve from 20Hz to 20kHz are not going to sound the same set up in different rooms. The acoustics of the room itself has a major impact on how they sound. Same is true in your favorite concert hall. Millions are spent on the design and acoustic treatment of the hall in order to "equalize" the sound of all the various instruments in a symphony orchestra. Thanks. My points of reference these days remain my electrostatics and a friend's setup with genuine Klipschhorns. Sure. He heard that word from Luddite. -- Lookie, lookie...a pair of *ConservaSnarks* |
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On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 07:48:58 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/25/16 6:36 AM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 20:28:57 -0500, Alex wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/24/16 12:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2016 5:56 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. That slogan has been around since the early 1970's, started by either audio elitists who misunderstood what Bose was marketing and selling in the 901 series speakers or by one of the competing "high end" speaker manufacturers of the day. The Bose 901 speaker design was originally unique in the respect that it employed the "direct/reflecting" concept in a fairly small enclosure for the standards of the time. You have to remember that the "high end" speakers of the 1960's (the 901's were introduced in 1968) were typically large, heavy, (sometimes double walled and sand filled) monstrosities that contained a large 12" or 15" woofer, mid-range and various types of tweeter drivers. The 901's were an attempt to create a sound stage effect by reflecting most of the sound off the walls behind the speakers. The big problem is that few people had living rooms that allowed the 901's to be set up properly. They depend on proper spacing away from hard walls (not curtains or drapes) to sound good. They also shouldn't be placed symmetrically in a room (meaning both speakers being the same distance from a side wall). Guys who understood the placement requirements might have tried but wives usually prevailed in terms of where they ended up in a room. Been there, done that. Another bit about the 901's: Without the Bose equalizer they sound terrible. I've seen vintage 901's set up and being used without the equalizer because it was either lost or not working. Waste of time. Try to find a vintage Bose equalizer on eBay or elsewhere. They don't come up for sale often. That all said, the 901's *can* sound wonderful if properly set up. I have had the unique opportunity to compare a fully functional set (with equalizer) that were made in 1980 to a pair of "high end" (for their day) four foot high JBL studio monitor monsters. Both speaker sets are up in a large garage with the 901's having the benefit of hard, sheetrock walls behind them. The 901's sound better overall to my ears and to everyone who has listened to both in a casual "blind" test. The JBL's sound great. The Bose 901's are clearer though with crisper highs and about the same level of bass as the JBL's. More importantly is the sound stage image they project as compared to the JBL's. The Bose concept works *if* you pay attention to how they are setup. As for other, contemporary Bose products, they are simply an over-priced way to get "big" sound out of small enclosures, IMO. The original direct/reflecting concept has been dropped in favor of things like waveguides to reinforce bass in a small package. Other audio equipment manufacturers have adopted similar waveguide designs over the years that are much less expensive to purchase. Oh ... one other comment for Harry. Bose has never officially published the frequency response curves for any of their products. It's basically meaningless anyway when comparing similar sized speakers. A set of speakers with a theoretically "perfect", flat response curve from 20Hz to 20kHz are not going to sound the same set up in different rooms. The acoustics of the room itself has a major impact on how they sound. Same is true in your favorite concert hall. Millions are spent on the design and acoustic treatment of the hall in order to "equalize" the sound of all the various instruments in a symphony orchestra. Thanks. My points of reference these days remain my electrostatics and a friend's setup with genuine Klipschhorns. Sure. He heard that word from Luddite. -- Lookie, lookie...a pair of *ConservaSnarks* Are you sure the friend's 'Klipschhorns' (sic) are genuine? It appears maybe the label was misspelled by the Chinese? You checked the serial numbers with the factory? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns! |
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John H.
- show quoted text - "From one who can't spell 'America'. He *meant* 'neophyte adolescent suffering from epistemological loneliness', but figured neither of you would understand. Use of the article 'a' is perfectly acceptable in the context as used. Now go back to some sociability. You're much better at it." Well JohnnyMop, as I've explained to you numerous times I simply spell it as y'all pronounce it. Maybe you should try to be sociable once in a while instead of constantly sniffing Harry's butt and instigating your rancor. |
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12:10 AMJustan Olphart - show quoted text - "Hey, where were you when Krausie needed your help?" That's very amusing, Stinky. Must be more of your Floriduh humour, eh? The idea that Harry would need help dealing with The John and his bowl of turds is hilarious.(yes, that would be y'all and Ditzy) |
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On 2/25/2016 8:45 AM, True North wrote:
John H. - show quoted text - "From one who can't spell 'America'. He *meant* 'neophyte adolescent suffering from epistemological loneliness', but figured neither of you would understand. Use of the article 'a' is perfectly acceptable in the context as used. Now go back to some sociability. You're much better at it." Well JohnnyMop, as I've explained to you numerous times I simply spell it as y'all pronounce it. Maybe you should try to be sociable once in a while instead of constantly sniffing Harry's butt and instigating your rancor. Maybe you should have your ears cleaned once in a while. The A in America is pretty soft. You probably just don't hear it spoken. "A", as you would say. |
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On 2/25/2016 9:00 AM, True North wrote:
12:10 AMJustan Olphart - show quoted text - "Hey, where were you when Krausie needed your help?" That's very amusing, Stinky. Must be more of your Floriduh humour, eh? The idea that Harry would need help dealing with The John and his bowl of turds is hilarious.(yes, that would be y'all and Ditzy) Go stick your head in a bucket of turds. It might just improve your outlook on life. |
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On 2/25/2016 8:42 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 07:48:58 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/25/16 6:36 AM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 20:28:57 -0500, Alex wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/24/16 12:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2016 5:56 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. That slogan has been around since the early 1970's, started by either audio elitists who misunderstood what Bose was marketing and selling in the 901 series speakers or by one of the competing "high end" speaker manufacturers of the day. The Bose 901 speaker design was originally unique in the respect that it employed the "direct/reflecting" concept in a fairly small enclosure for the standards of the time. You have to remember that the "high end" speakers of the 1960's (the 901's were introduced in 1968) were typically large, heavy, (sometimes double walled and sand filled) monstrosities that contained a large 12" or 15" woofer, mid-range and various types of tweeter drivers. The 901's were an attempt to create a sound stage effect by reflecting most of the sound off the walls behind the speakers. The big problem is that few people had living rooms that allowed the 901's to be set up properly. They depend on proper spacing away from hard walls (not curtains or drapes) to sound good. They also shouldn't be placed symmetrically in a room (meaning both speakers being the same distance from a side wall). Guys who understood the placement requirements might have tried but wives usually prevailed in terms of where they ended up in a room. Been there, done that. Another bit about the 901's: Without the Bose equalizer they sound terrible. I've seen vintage 901's set up and being used without the equalizer because it was either lost or not working. Waste of time. Try to find a vintage Bose equalizer on eBay or elsewhere. They don't come up for sale often. That all said, the 901's *can* sound wonderful if properly set up. I have had the unique opportunity to compare a fully functional set (with equalizer) that were made in 1980 to a pair of "high end" (for their day) four foot high JBL studio monitor monsters. Both speaker sets are up in a large garage with the 901's having the benefit of hard, sheetrock walls behind them. The 901's sound better overall to my ears and to everyone who has listened to both in a casual "blind" test. The JBL's sound great. The Bose 901's are clearer though with crisper highs and about the same level of bass as the JBL's. More importantly is the sound stage image they project as compared to the JBL's. The Bose concept works *if* you pay attention to how they are setup. As for other, contemporary Bose products, they are simply an over-priced way to get "big" sound out of small enclosures, IMO. The original direct/reflecting concept has been dropped in favor of things like waveguides to reinforce bass in a small package. Other audio equipment manufacturers have adopted similar waveguide designs over the years that are much less expensive to purchase. Oh ... one other comment for Harry. Bose has never officially published the frequency response curves for any of their products. It's basically meaningless anyway when comparing similar sized speakers. A set of speakers with a theoretically "perfect", flat response curve from 20Hz to 20kHz are not going to sound the same set up in different rooms. The acoustics of the room itself has a major impact on how they sound. Same is true in your favorite concert hall. Millions are spent on the design and acoustic treatment of the hall in order to "equalize" the sound of all the various instruments in a symphony orchestra. Thanks. My points of reference these days remain my electrostatics and a friend's setup with genuine Klipschhorns. Sure. He heard that word from Luddite. -- Lookie, lookie...a pair of *ConservaSnarks* Are you sure the friend's 'Klipschhorns' (sic) are genuine? It appears maybe the label was misspelled by the Chinese? You checked the serial numbers with the factory? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns! When Krausie makes dumb remarks like that it makes him look so juvenile. It warms the cockles of my heart to see him finally in a meltdown state. It's been a long time coming. |
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On 2/25/16 8:45 AM, True North wrote:
John H. - show quoted text - "From one who can't spell 'America'. He *meant* 'neophyte adolescent suffering from epistemological loneliness', but figured neither of you would understand. Use of the article 'a' is perfectly acceptable in the context as used. Now go back to some sociability. You're much better at it." Well JohnnyMop, as I've explained to you numerous times I simply spell it as y'all pronounce it. Maybe you should try to be sociable once in a while instead of constantly sniffing Harry's butt and instigating your rancor. Rancor is JohnnyMop's middle name. It's going to get a lot worse here in 'Merica, what with the way the RepublicanTurd primaries are going. |
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On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 11:09:43 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/25/16 8:45 AM, True North wrote: John H. - show quoted text - "From one who can't spell 'America'. He *meant* 'neophyte adolescent suffering from epistemological loneliness', but figured neither of you would understand. Use of the article 'a' is perfectly acceptable in the context as used. Now go back to some sociability. You're much better at it." Well JohnnyMop, as I've explained to you numerous times I simply spell it as y'all pronounce it. Maybe you should try to be sociable once in a while instead of constantly sniffing Harry's butt and instigating your rancor. Rancor is JohnnyMop's middle name. It's going to get a lot worse here in 'Merica, what with the way the RepublicanTurd primaries are going. It's really amazing when one reads the statement above and realizes that a 70 year old "man" wrote it. |
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On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 08:26:48 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote: On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 11:09:43 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/25/16 8:45 AM, True North wrote: John H. - show quoted text - "From one who can't spell 'America'. He *meant* 'neophyte adolescent suffering from epistemological loneliness', but figured neither of you would understand. Use of the article 'a' is perfectly acceptable in the context as used. Now go back to some sociability. You're much better at it." Well JohnnyMop, as I've explained to you numerous times I simply spell it as y'all pronounce it. Maybe you should try to be sociable once in a while instead of constantly sniffing Harry's butt and instigating your rancor. Rancor is JohnnyMop's middle name. It's going to get a lot worse here in 'Merica, what with the way the RepublicanTurd primaries are going. It's really amazing when one reads the statement above and realizes that a 70 year old "man" wrote it. === Make that 71 years old. |
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