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On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 08:38:21 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:
John H. - show quoted text - "Well, you'd best adapt to the extra difficulty, 'cause you'll want to flush it every time you use it. Do they have a hose connection on them now, or will you have to get a set of muffs? If muffs, don't skimp. Get good ones that fit snugly. My I/O boat was 11 years old when I traded it in, and I'd put new manifolds on it at about the 9-10 year mark, not seven as I'd said earlier. I did have mine magnaflux tested about the 7 year mark. That was worthwhile, but luckily I had a son-in-law who had it done for me - free." I guess I can skip the flushing when boating on freshwater lakes...as I do with the Mercury 60 Big Foot. I much prefer salt ot brackish water and I estimate I'll be flushing 75 per cent of the time. My current outboard does have the hose connection so I flush it both ways. I have two sets of muffs. The newer version is the one I saw the dealer use so I bought it at a local Marine store. It has the thin metal rod that passes through the inlet holes and out the other side to help snug the rubber cups up. Sometimes you have to fiddle a bit more with it and that will make it worse reaching under that platform. Might have to dig out my garage creeper to get down there. Did your boat spend many nights on the water or was it loaded back on the trailer every time? I wouldn't skip flushing, ever. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 08:38:21 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:
John H. - show quoted text - "Well, you'd best adapt to the extra difficulty, 'cause you'll want to flush it every time you use it. Do they have a hose connection on them now, or will you have to get a set of muffs? If muffs, don't skimp. Get good ones that fit snugly. My I/O boat was 11 years old when I traded it in, and I'd put new manifolds on it at about the 9-10 year mark, not seven as I'd said earlier. I did have mine magnaflux tested about the 7 year mark. That was worthwhile, but luckily I had a son-in-law who had it done for me - free." I guess I can skip the flushing when boating on freshwater lakes...as I do with the Mercury 60 Big Foot. I much prefer salt ot brackish water and I estimate I'll be flushing 75 per cent of the time. My current outboard does have the hose connection so I flush it both ways. I have two sets of muffs. The newer version is the one I saw the dealer use so I bought it at a local Marine store. It has the thin metal rod that passes through the inlet holes and out the other side to help snug the rubber cups up. Sometimes you have to fiddle a bit more with it and that will make it worse reaching under that platform. Might have to dig out my garage creeper to get down there. Did your boat spend many nights on the water or was it loaded back on the trailer every time? Whoops, hit 'send' too soon. My boats were always taken out of the water after each trip, either loaded on the trailer or lifted into an indoor bay. Something like this? Looks like it would work well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrYNJa8y9Zc -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 08:38:21 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: - show quoted text - "Whoops, hit 'send' too soon. My boats were always taken out of the water after each trip, either loaded on the trailer or lifted into an indoor bay. Something like this? Looks like it would work well." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrYNJa8y9Zc That's my new muffs he's using except mine didn't come with the short piece of hose. |
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On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 16:47:28 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: Ah, Skipper...about the only right-winger who ever posted here who actually could turn a phrase, write decently and tell interesting tales about his boating "adventures." === You could write interesting tales about your boating adventures also if you had any. |
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On 2/22/16 4:09 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 15:54:04 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 16:47:28 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Ah, Skipper...about the only right-winger who ever posted here who actually could turn a phrase, write decently and tell interesting tales about his boating "adventures." === You could write interesting tales about your boating adventures also if you had any. A few of his 'interesting tales' backfired big time. -- I post "boating adventures" elsewhere. This place is a right-wing pig pen. |
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 16:22:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/22/16 4:09 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 15:54:04 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 16:47:28 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Ah, Skipper...about the only right-winger who ever posted here who actually could turn a phrase, write decently and tell interesting tales about his boating "adventures." === You could write interesting tales about your boating adventures also if you had any. A few of his 'interesting tales' backfired big time. -- I post "boating adventures" elsewhere. This place is a right-wing pig pen. Glad to see you use quotes around your 'boating adventures'. Do you do the same with your 'Vietnam adventures'? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On 2/22/16 4:38 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 16:22:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/16 4:09 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 15:54:04 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 16:47:28 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Ah, Skipper...about the only right-winger who ever posted here who actually could turn a phrase, write decently and tell interesting tales about his boating "adventures." === You could write interesting tales about your boating adventures also if you had any. A few of his 'interesting tales' backfired big time. -- I post "boating adventures" elsewhere. This place is a right-wing pig pen. Glad to see you use quotes around your 'boating adventures'. Do you do the same with your 'Vietnam adventures'? -- The only place I see our Vietnam fiasco mentioned is here...and mostly by the boys who lost the war. |
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 16:40:38 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/22/16 4:38 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 16:22:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/16 4:09 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 15:54:04 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 16:47:28 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Ah, Skipper...about the only right-winger who ever posted here who actually could turn a phrase, write decently and tell interesting tales about his boating "adventures." === You could write interesting tales about your boating adventures also if you had any. A few of his 'interesting tales' backfired big time. -- I post "boating adventures" elsewhere. This place is a right-wing pig pen. Glad to see you use quotes around your 'boating adventures'. Do you do the same with your 'Vietnam adventures'? -- The only place I see our Vietnam fiasco mentioned is here...and mostly by the boys who lost the war. With, according to you, your help. Thanks for all your support! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 16:44:15 -0500, John H.
wrote: The only place I see our Vietnam fiasco mentioned is here...and mostly by the boys who lost the war. With, according to you, your help. Thanks for all your support! === Harry had a very important but highly classified job in Vietnam. Just ask him. He's been under live fire more times than Hillary! |
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John H. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 05:03:47 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: John H. - show quoted text - "But almost all of my fishing was between Deale and the Patuxent. Only fishing in the Potomac was for catfish in the channel with grandkids. The extra salt may mean a new exhaust manifold sooner...five years, maybe? But, it appeas very easy to replace on that four. And it looks like they run less than $400. On the V8, they were a bitch, and much more expensive, of course." ...and I was worried about the bellows rotting out! Salesman said it should last 15 years. A new exhaust manifold every five years doesn't appeal to me. You'd think they would come up with a better material. I've never owned an inboard/outboard and I am a bit leary about it. I'd better start reading up on how the engine cooling system works and how much routine maintenance is required. Already I can see that the optional 23" deep swim platform is going to make flushing the lower end a bit harder. The idea is that platform will make it easier for the dog to reboard after swimming. The 170BR with outboard motor has a very narrow reboarding spot next to the outboard well. Well, you'd best adapt to the extra difficulty, 'cause you'll want to flush it every time you use it. Do they have a hose connection on them now, or will you have to get a set of muffs? If muffs, don't skimp. Get good ones that fit snugly. My I/O boat was 11 years old when I traded it in, and I'd put new manifolds on it at about the 9-10 year mark, not seven as I'd said earlier. I did have mine magnaflux tested about the 7 year mark. That was worthwhile, but luckily I had a son-in-law who had it done for me - free. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! My manifolds are freshwater cooled. Elbows will be the only thing needing replacing. I have closed cooling, with heat exchanger. |
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True North wrote:
FlatulentJim farts... A local BJs wholesale club was selling the exact same model through a local boat dealer last year for $17995. That's probably $30,000 canadian. That's a lot of cash to pay for something Harry thinks very little of." Guess I got a good deal then. On the sales sticker the dealer estimated that 2016 models in Canadian would be around $30k. Mine is a left over 2015 ordered before our loonie really nose dived. Same old motor for the time being although there are plans to retire the 3.0 in favour of a 4.3 I believe. That sounds like a big engine for a 17.5 foot open boat. If you want to pull a skier, tuber, etc., the 4.3 is the only way to go. |
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John H. wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. |
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True North wrote:
John H. - show quoted text - "But almost all of my fishing was between Deale and the Patuxent. Only fishing in the Potomac was for catfish in the channel with grandkids. The extra salt may mean a new exhaust manifold sooner...five years, maybe? But, it appeas very easy to replace on that four. And it looks like they run less than $400. On the V8, they were a bitch, and much more expensive, of course." ...and I was worried about the bellows rotting out! Salesman said it should last 15 years. A new exhaust manifold every five years doesn't appeal to me. You'd think they would come up with a better material. I've never owned an inboard/outboard and I am a bit leary about it. I'd better start reading up on how the engine cooling system works and how much routine maintenance is required. Already I can see that the optional 23" deep swim platform is going to make flushing the lower end a bit harder. The idea is that platform will make it easier for the dog to reboard after swimming. The 170BR with outboard motor has a very narrow reboarding spot next to the outboard well. "salesman said"... really? I thought you were smarter than that. They do make stainless exhaust manifolds. |
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On 2/22/2016 8:21 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 13:18:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2016 1:11 PM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 05:03:47 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: John H. - show quoted text - "But almost all of my fishing was between Deale and the Patuxent. Only fishing in the Potomac was for catfish in the channel with grandkids. The extra salt may mean a new exhaust manifold sooner...five years, maybe? But, it appeas very easy to replace on that four. And it looks like they run less than $400. On the V8, they were a bitch, and much more expensive, of course." ...and I was worried about the bellows rotting out! Salesman said it should last 15 years. A new exhaust manifold every five years doesn't appeal to me. You'd think they would come up with a better material. I've never owned an inboard/outboard and I am a bit leary about it. I'd better start reading up on how the engine cooling system works and how much routine maintenance is required. Already I can see that the optional 23" deep swim platform is going to make flushing the lower end a bit harder. The idea is that platform will make it easier for the dog to reboard after swimming. The 170BR with outboard motor has a very narrow reboarding spot next to the outboard well. Most of the "I/O problems" get mitigated somewhat when you are on a trailer. Sitting in the water is trouble. A little bellows leak that your bilge pump handles on a day trip is a sunk boat if it is sitting in the water. The LU will stay wet too so you may end up with all the problems that entails. Again, up on the trailer, no sweat. They have a real bad rep in Florida. I've been ocean boating since about 1993. I don't personally know anyone who's boat sank because of a leaky bellows. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened but the number of people I have known with I/O's who keep them in slips during the season is a pretty good sampling. The word there is "season" I guess.Our season is 12 months. I got convinced by the locals here. The I/O was very popular in the Chesapeake. You seldom see one here unless it has northern numbers or it is a big "go fast". Our six month "off" season is probably as tough or tougher on a rubber bellows than your 12 month season in the water. Typically, they are stored outside, subjected to winter weather and temps sometimes at or below zero. Still have never heard of even an older I/O sinking due to a bellows failure. |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/22/16 4:09 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 15:54:04 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 16:47:28 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Ah, Skipper...about the only right-winger who ever posted here who actually could turn a phrase, write decently and tell interesting tales about his boating "adventures." === You could write interesting tales about your boating adventures also if you had any. A few of his 'interesting tales' backfired big time. -- I post "boating adventures" elsewhere. This place is a right-wing pig pen. No, you don't. |
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On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 3:40:41 PM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/22/16 4:38 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 16:22:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/16 4:09 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 15:54:04 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 16:47:28 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Ah, Skipper...about the only right-winger who ever posted here who actually could turn a phrase, write decently and tell interesting tales about his boating "adventures." === You could write interesting tales about your boating adventures also if you had any. A few of his 'interesting tales' backfired big time. -- I post "boating adventures" elsewhere. This place is a right-wing pig pen. Glad to see you use quotes around your 'boating adventures'. Do you do the same with your 'Vietnam adventures'? -- The only place I see our Vietnam fiasco mentioned is here...and mostly by the boys who lost the war. LBJ and Henry? |
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On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 5:20:29 PM UTC-6, Califbill wrote:
John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 05:03:47 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: John H. - show quoted text - "But almost all of my fishing was between Deale and the Patuxent. Only fishing in the Potomac was for catfish in the channel with grandkids. The extra salt may mean a new exhaust manifold sooner...five years, maybe? But, it appeas very easy to replace on that four. And it looks like they run less than $400. On the V8, they were a bitch, and much more expensive, of course." ...and I was worried about the bellows rotting out! Salesman said it should last 15 years. A new exhaust manifold every five years doesn't appeal to me. You'd think they would come up with a better material. I've never owned an inboard/outboard and I am a bit leary about it. I'd better start reading up on how the engine cooling system works and how much routine maintenance is required. Already I can see that the optional 23" deep swim platform is going to make flushing the lower end a bit harder. The idea is that platform will make it easier for the dog to reboard after swimming. The 170BR with outboard motor has a very narrow reboarding spot next to the outboard well. Well, you'd best adapt to the extra difficulty, 'cause you'll want to flush it every time you use it. Do they have a hose connection on them now, or will you have to get a set of muffs? If muffs, don't skimp. Get good ones that fit snugly. My I/O boat was 11 years old when I traded it in, and I'd put new manifolds on it at about the 9-10 year mark, not seven as I'd said earlier. I did have mine magnaflux tested about the 7 year mark. That was worthwhile, but luckily I had a son-in-law who had it done for me - free. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! My manifolds are freshwater cooled. Elbows will be the only thing needing replacing. I have closed cooling, with heat exchanger. Closed system is actually the best way to go. a friend of mine loves to boat about year around that is when he can, and installed a heater core in the cuddy so he can duck inside and get warmed up. Plus, the automotive style engine can warm up to a toasty 180 degrees and run more effeciantly than thee usual 130 degree raw water system. |
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 19:32:24 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: My manifolds are freshwater cooled. Elbows will be the only thing needing replacing. I have closed cooling, with heat exchanger. Closed system is actually the best way to go. a friend of mine loves to boat about year around that is when he can, and installed a heater core in the cuddy so he can duck inside and get warmed up. Plus, the automotive style engine can warm up to a toasty 180 degrees and run more effeciantly than thee usual 130 degree raw water system. === A fresh water boat can change out the thermostat for something hotter. The only reason for 130 or 140 is to prevent salt from crystalizing in the cooling system. |
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On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 10:31:44 PM UTC-6, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 19:32:24 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: My manifolds are freshwater cooled. Elbows will be the only thing needing replacing. I have closed cooling, with heat exchanger. Closed system is actually the best way to go. a friend of mine loves to boat about year around that is when he can, and installed a heater core in the cuddy so he can duck inside and get warmed up. Plus, the automotive style engine can warm up to a toasty 180 degrees and run more effeciantly than thee usual 130 degree raw water system. === A fresh water boat can change out the thermostat for something hotter. The only reason for 130 or 140 is to prevent salt from crystallizing in the cooling system. You know, I never thought of that Wayne. I always wondered why they 'for the most part' were set factory low on raw water. I think I'll re evaluate mine before something hits the lake this year. good thought, Thanks!! |
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On 2/22/2016 9:40 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:35:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2016 8:21 PM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 13:18:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2016 1:11 PM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 05:03:47 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: John H. - show quoted text - "But almost all of my fishing was between Deale and the Patuxent. Only fishing in the Potomac was for catfish in the channel with grandkids. The extra salt may mean a new exhaust manifold sooner...five years, maybe? But, it appeas very easy to replace on that four. And it looks like they run less than $400. On the V8, they were a bitch, and much more expensive, of course." ...and I was worried about the bellows rotting out! Salesman said it should last 15 years. A new exhaust manifold every five years doesn't appeal to me. You'd think they would come up with a better material. I've never owned an inboard/outboard and I am a bit leary about it. I'd better start reading up on how the engine cooling system works and how much routine maintenance is required. Already I can see that the optional 23" deep swim platform is going to make flushing the lower end a bit harder. The idea is that platform will make it easier for the dog to reboard after swimming. The 170BR with outboard motor has a very narrow reboarding spot next to the outboard well. Most of the "I/O problems" get mitigated somewhat when you are on a trailer. Sitting in the water is trouble. A little bellows leak that your bilge pump handles on a day trip is a sunk boat if it is sitting in the water. The LU will stay wet too so you may end up with all the problems that entails. Again, up on the trailer, no sweat. They have a real bad rep in Florida. I've been ocean boating since about 1993. I don't personally know anyone who's boat sank because of a leaky bellows. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened but the number of people I have known with I/O's who keep them in slips during the season is a pretty good sampling. The word there is "season" I guess.Our season is 12 months. I got convinced by the locals here. The I/O was very popular in the Chesapeake. You seldom see one here unless it has northern numbers or it is a big "go fast". Our six month "off" season is probably as tough or tougher on a rubber bellows than your 12 month season in the water. Typically, they are stored outside, subjected to winter weather and temps sometimes at or below zero. Still have never heard of even an older I/O sinking due to a bellows failure. Dunno. I just know I/Os usually come from up north and get replaced with an outboard boat here pretty quickly. I think the 4 stroke outboard has really taken a bite out of any advantage an I/O had. they are certainly a lot easier to work on you are standing up and not standing on your head with a flashlight and a mirror. No argument from me on that. I've had two I/O type boats and I'd never own another one again but the problems were not due to the bellows. Outboards on smaller boats ... (although a lot more costly) and inboards (diesel) with fixed props and rudders for the bigger ones. |
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 18:20:27 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:
John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 05:03:47 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: John H. - show quoted text - "But almost all of my fishing was between Deale and the Patuxent. Only fishing in the Potomac was for catfish in the channel with grandkids. The extra salt may mean a new exhaust manifold sooner...five years, maybe? But, it appeas very easy to replace on that four. And it looks like they run less than $400. On the V8, they were a bitch, and much more expensive, of course." ...and I was worried about the bellows rotting out! Salesman said it should last 15 years. A new exhaust manifold every five years doesn't appeal to me. You'd think they would come up with a better material. I've never owned an inboard/outboard and I am a bit leary about it. I'd better start reading up on how the engine cooling system works and how much routine maintenance is required. Already I can see that the optional 23" deep swim platform is going to make flushing the lower end a bit harder. The idea is that platform will make it easier for the dog to reboard after swimming. The 170BR with outboard motor has a very narrow reboarding spot next to the outboard well. Well, you'd best adapt to the extra difficulty, 'cause you'll want to flush it every time you use it. Do they have a hose connection on them now, or will you have to get a set of muffs? If muffs, don't skimp. Get good ones that fit snugly. My I/O boat was 11 years old when I traded it in, and I'd put new manifolds on it at about the 9-10 year mark, not seven as I'd said earlier. I did have mine magnaflux tested about the 7 year mark. That was worthwhile, but luckily I had a son-in-law who had it done for me - free. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! My manifolds are freshwater cooled. Elbows will be the only thing needing replacing. I have closed cooling, with heat exchanger. I wonder if Don's Bayliner came so equipped. Still need to do some flushing, but the manifolds should last a bit longer. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote:
John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. |
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On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. |
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On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
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John H. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
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On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:56:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. Yup. A 'wag'. You skipped the question. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On 2/23/16 6:19 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:56:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. Yup. A 'wag'. You skipped the question. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- No, Johnny, I'm not a racist pig full of hate, as you are. As for little speakers, I'm just not convinced how well they can defy the laws of physics, especially in the mid to lower ranges. My father in law had an array of Bose speakers, professionally installed, and when I first heard them, I thought they sounded like what you'd hear in the average four speaker car radio system...but I never told him that, of course. |
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wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:35:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2016 8:21 PM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 13:18:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2016 1:11 PM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 05:03:47 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: John H. - show quoted text - "But almost all of my fishing was between Deale and the Patuxent. Only fishing in the Potomac was for catfish in the channel with grandkids. The extra salt may mean a new exhaust manifold sooner...five years, maybe? But, it appeas very easy to replace on that four. And it looks like they run less than $400. On the V8, they were a bitch, and much more expensive, of course." ...and I was worried about the bellows rotting out! Salesman said it should last 15 years. A new exhaust manifold every five years doesn't appeal to me. You'd think they would come up with a better material. I've never owned an inboard/outboard and I am a bit leary about it. I'd better start reading up on how the engine cooling system works and how much routine maintenance is required. Already I can see that the optional 23" deep swim platform is going to make flushing the lower end a bit harder. The idea is that platform will make it easier for the dog to reboard after swimming. The 170BR with outboard motor has a very narrow reboarding spot next to the outboard well. Most of the "I/O problems" get mitigated somewhat when you are on a trailer. Sitting in the water is trouble. A little bellows leak that your bilge pump handles on a day trip is a sunk boat if it is sitting in the water. The LU will stay wet too so you may end up with all the problems that entails. Again, up on the trailer, no sweat. They have a real bad rep in Florida. I've been ocean boating since about 1993. I don't personally know anyone who's boat sank because of a leaky bellows. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened but the number of people I have known with I/O's who keep them in slips during the season is a pretty good sampling. The word there is "season" I guess.Our season is 12 months. I got convinced by the locals here. The I/O was very popular in the Chesapeake. You seldom see one here unless it has northern numbers or it is a big "go fast". Our six month "off" season is probably as tough or tougher on a rubber bellows than your 12 month season in the water. Typically, they are stored outside, subjected to winter weather and temps sometimes at or below zero. Still have never heard of even an older I/O sinking due to a bellows failure. Dunno. I just know I/Os usually come from up north and get replaced with an outboard boat here pretty quickly. I think the 4 stroke outboard has really taken a bite out of any advantage an I/O had. they are certainly a lot easier to work on you are standing up and not standing on your head with a flashlight and a mirror. And they are quiet and no oil mix problems and stink these days. We went out to Louue Key on a very large pontoon. Twin 250's. Quiet, and fast. |
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Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 5:20:29 PM UTC-6, Califbill wrote: John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 05:03:47 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: John H. - show quoted text - "But almost all of my fishing was between Deale and the Patuxent. Only fishing in the Potomac was for catfish in the channel with grandkids. The extra salt may mean a new exhaust manifold sooner...five years, maybe? But, it appeas very easy to replace on that four. And it looks like they run less than $400. On the V8, they were a bitch, and much more expensive, of course." ...and I was worried about the bellows rotting out! Salesman said it should last 15 years. A new exhaust manifold every five years doesn't appeal to me. You'd think they would come up with a better material. I've never owned an inboard/outboard and I am a bit leary about it. I'd better start reading up on how the engine cooling system works and how much routine maintenance is required. Already I can see that the optional 23" deep swim platform is going to make flushing the lower end a bit harder. The idea is that platform will make it easier for the dog to reboard after swimming. The 170BR with outboard motor has a very narrow reboarding spot next to the outboard well. Well, you'd best adapt to the extra difficulty, 'cause you'll want to flush it every time you use it. Do they have a hose connection on them now, or will you have to get a set of muffs? If muffs, don't skimp. Get good ones that fit snugly. My I/O boat was 11 years old when I traded it in, and I'd put new manifolds on it at about the 9-10 year mark, not seven as I'd said earlier. I did have mine magnaflux tested about the 7 year mark. That was worthwhile, but luckily I had a son-in-law who had it done for me - free. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! My manifolds are freshwater cooled. Elbows will be the only thing needing replacing. I have closed cooling, with heat exchanger. Closed system is actually the best way to go. a friend of mine loves to boat about year around that is when he can, and installed a heater core in the cuddy so he can duck inside and get warmed up. Plus, the automotive style engine can warm up to a toasty 180 degrees and run more effeciantly than thee usual 130 degree raw water system. My boat came with a Red Dot heater running off the engine coolant. |
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On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:18:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/23/16 6:08 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 01:06:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Dunno. I just know I/Os usually come from up north and get replaced with an outboard boat here pretty quickly. I think the 4 stroke outboard has really taken a bite out of any advantage an I/O had. they are certainly a lot easier to work on you are standing up and not standing on your head with a flashlight and a mirror. No argument from me on that. I've had two I/O type boats and I'd never own another one again but the problems were not due to the bellows. Outboards on smaller boats ... (although a lot more costly) and inboards (diesel) with fixed props and rudders for the bigger ones. I am not really even sure outboards cost more since they seem to be lighter and you don't need as big a one. Price a new, 2016 250 hp Yamaha V6 and get back to us..., and don't forget to add in rigging. Motor weighs about 600 pounds. The discussion has been about Don's 17.5' boat. You reckon Greg is thinking 250hp for that boat? Don't you ever get sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:22:36 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/23/16 6:19 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:56:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. Yup. A 'wag'. You skipped the question. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- No, Johnny, I'm not a racist pig full of hate, as you are. As for little speakers, I'm just not convinced how well they can defy the laws of physics, especially in the mid to lower ranges. My father in law had an array of Bose speakers, professionally installed, and when I first heard them, I thought they sounded like what you'd hear in the average four speaker car radio system...but I never told him that, of course. Sounds like your father, God rest his soul, did two things wrong - fathered a liar and didn't match speakers to the requirement. Professional installation of the wrong speakers doesn't mean ****. Get over yourself Krause. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:22:36 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: As for little speakers, I'm just not convinced how well they can defy the laws of physics, especially in the mid to lower ranges. My father in law had an array of Bose speakers, professionally installed, and when I first heard them, I thought they sounded like what you'd hear in the average four speaker car radio system...but I never told him that, of course. === If you like your speakers you can keep your speakers. Bose must be doing something right because people like their products. They've obviously invested a lot of time and talent in making smaller speakers more effective, and it seems to work. |
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John H. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 18:20:27 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote: John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 05:03:47 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: John H. - show quoted text - "But almost all of my fishing was between Deale and the Patuxent. Only fishing in the Potomac was for catfish in the channel with grandkids. The extra salt may mean a new exhaust manifold sooner...five years, maybe? But, it appeas very easy to replace on that four. And it looks like they run less than $400. On the V8, they were a bitch, and much more expensive, of course." ...and I was worried about the bellows rotting out! Salesman said it should last 15 years. A new exhaust manifold every five years doesn't appeal to me. You'd think they would come up with a better material. I've never owned an inboard/outboard and I am a bit leary about it. I'd better start reading up on how the engine cooling system works and how much routine maintenance is required. Already I can see that the optional 23" deep swim platform is going to make flushing the lower end a bit harder. The idea is that platform will make it easier for the dog to reboard after swimming. The 170BR with outboard motor has a very narrow reboarding spot next to the outboard well. Well, you'd best adapt to the extra difficulty, 'cause you'll want to flush it every time you use it. Do they have a hose connection on them now, or will you have to get a set of muffs? If muffs, don't skimp. Get good ones that fit snugly. My I/O boat was 11 years old when I traded it in, and I'd put new manifolds on it at about the 9-10 year mark, not seven as I'd said earlier. I did have mine magnaflux tested about the 7 year mark. That was worthwhile, but luckily I had a son-in-law who had it done for me - free. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! My manifolds are freshwater cooled. Elbows will be the only thing needing replacing. I have closed cooling, with heat exchanger. I wonder if Don's Bayliner came so equipped. Still need to do some flushing, but the manifolds should last a bit longer. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I doubt a boat that small could have a closed cooling system. |
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