Today the FAA announced plans for a model aircraft registration process to begin next
week. The new federal requirements:

All aircraft that are flown using a ground control system, such as a
transmitter, are required to participate. This includes fixed-wing aircraft, not just
multirotors or drones.
Any pilot flying models weighing between .55 pounds (or 250 grams) and 55 lbs
is required to register.
You will not be required to register every aircraft individually. You only
need to register yourself and can affix one registration number to all your aircraft.
You must mark all aircraft with your registration number. The number can be inside
the aircraft, such as a battery hatch - but should not require tools to access.
The FAA plans to launch the online registration website on Monday, December
21.
There is a $5 fee to register, which is waived if you register within the
first 30 days.
You only need to register once every 3 years.

The above was copied from an email from the AMA today. Note the minimum size, and the
fact that every aircraft is included. So if I buy a baby model that weighs over a
half pound, and give it to a grandkid, the grandkid must be a registered operator.

How friggin' stupid are the assholes running this government. I guess they're pretty
smart, they just made the AFGE a lot bigger.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:32:44 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Today the FAA announced plans for a model aircraft registration process to begin next
week. The new federal requirements:

All aircraft that are flown using a ground control system, such as a
transmitter, are required to participate. This includes fixed-wing aircraft, not just
multirotors or drones.
Any pilot flying models weighing between .55 pounds (or 250 grams) and 55 lbs
is required to register.
You will not be required to register every aircraft individually. You only
need to register yourself and can affix one registration number to all your aircraft.
You must mark all aircraft with your registration number. The number can be inside
the aircraft, such as a battery hatch - but should not require tools to access.
The FAA plans to launch the online registration website on Monday, December
21.
There is a $5 fee to register, which is waived if you register within the
first 30 days.
You only need to register once every 3 years.

The above was copied from an email from the AMA today. Note the minimum size, and the
fact that every aircraft is included. So if I buy a baby model that weighs over a
half pound, and give it to a grandkid, the grandkid must be a registered operator.

How friggin' stupid are the assholes running this government. I guess they're pretty
smart, they just made the AFGE a lot bigger.

This is way up on the stupid scale but nothing surprises me. It is
just political knee jerking at it's finest. How many FAA cops do you
think it would take to get the most minimal compliance. I am sure this
is going to be way down on the police radar since a local cop can't
enforce a federal "regulation" unless it is adopted as a local law
(this is not a law). Enforcement is civil, not criminal unless there
is another crime being committed (smuggling or something) and then the
drone charge would get dealt away early.

My prediction is that after a few years and a few ridiculous attempts
at prosecution of children, this law will go the way of the "ammo
log".
It might make sense if they set the lower limit at a couple of pounds
for commercial operators and then put a number on it you can see.

On 12/14/15 8:32 PM, John H. wrote:
Today the FAA announced plans for a model aircraft registration process to begin next
week. The new federal requirements:

All aircraft that are flown using a ground control system, such as a
transmitter, are required to participate. This includes fixed-wing aircraft, not just
multirotors or drones.
Any pilot flying models weighing between .55 pounds (or 250 grams) and 55 lbs
is required to register.
You will not be required to register every aircraft individually. You only
need to register yourself and can affix one registration number to all your aircraft.
You must mark all aircraft with your registration number. The number can be inside
the aircraft, such as a battery hatch - but should not require tools to access.
The FAA plans to launch the online registration website on Monday, December
21.
There is a $5 fee to register, which is waived if you register within the
first 30 days.
You only need to register once every 3 years.

The above was copied from an email from the AMA today. Note the minimum size, and the
fact that every aircraft is included. So if I buy a baby model that weighs over a
half pound, and give it to a grandkid, the grandkid must be a registered operator.

How friggin' stupid are the assholes running this government. I guess they're pretty
smart, they just made the AFGE a lot bigger.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


Why are you whining about government employment? Weren't you a
government employee most of your working life? Wasn't your wife? Didn't
your wife get health plan benefits from an employee union? You're biting
the hands that fed you, eh?

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 05:52:36 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/14/15 8:32 PM, John H. wrote:
Today the FAA announced plans for a model aircraft registration process to begin next
week. The new federal requirements:

All aircraft that are flown using a ground control system, such as a
transmitter, are required to participate. This includes fixed-wing aircraft, not just
multirotors or drones.
Any pilot flying models weighing between .55 pounds (or 250 grams) and 55 lbs
is required to register.
You will not be required to register every aircraft individually. You only
need to register yourself and can affix one registration number to all your aircraft.
You must mark all aircraft with your registration number. The number can be inside
the aircraft, such as a battery hatch - but should not require tools to access.
The FAA plans to launch the online registration website on Monday, December
21.
There is a $5 fee to register, which is waived if you register within the
first 30 days.
You only need to register once every 3 years.

The above was copied from an email from the AMA today. Note the minimum size, and the
fact that every aircraft is included. So if I buy a baby model that weighs over a
half pound, and give it to a grandkid, the grandkid must be a registered operator.

How friggin' stupid are the assholes running this government. I guess they're pretty
smart, they just made the AFGE a lot bigger.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


Why are you whining about government employment? Weren't you a
government employee most of your working life? Wasn't your wife? Didn't
your wife get health plan benefits from an employee union? You're biting
the hands that fed you, eh?

Waste is waste, Krause.

Attempting to solve the drone problem by forcing responsible operators to register
and then needing a bureaucracy to track the process is stupid.

As usual, you can't discuss the topic without changing the subject.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

In article Oo6dnX9gZfcDgO3LnZ2dnUU7-
, says...

The concern is that a million or more inexpensive "drones" will be given
as Christmas presents next week and the FAA anticipates many potential
problems with people using them who are not familiar with their
operation or restrictions. The FAA isn't the only government agency
who is concerned. British Columbia has also issued concerns due to
several close calls involving aircraft and drones in Canada. Similar
regulations are in the works there.

Did you happen to hear Joe Scarborough this morning,
saying the Republican base have been "whiners" for at
least the past 20 years?
This is good example of that.
The government reacts to the threat of commercial
aircraft being brought down, with 100's of deaths.
"Republicans" and libertarians whine about it.
And so it goes.

Keyser Söze
- show quoted text -
"Why are you whining about government employment? Weren't you a
government employee most of your working life? Wasn't your wife? Didn't
your wife get health plan benefits from an employee union? You're biting
the hands that fed you, eh?"


The John got his......to 'ell with anyone else.

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 08:20:20 -0600, Boating All Out wrote:

In article Oo6dnX9gZfcDgO3LnZ2dnUU7-
, says...

The concern is that a million or more inexpensive "drones" will be given
as Christmas presents next week and the FAA anticipates many potential
problems with people using them who are not familiar with their
operation or restrictions. The FAA isn't the only government agency
who is concerned. British Columbia has also issued concerns due to
several close calls involving aircraft and drones in Canada. Similar
regulations are in the works there.

Did you happen to hear Joe Scarborough this morning,
saying the Republican base have been "whiners" for at
least the past 20 years?
This is good example of that.
The government reacts to the threat of commercial
aircraft being brought down, with 100's of deaths.
"Republicans" and libertarians whine about it.
And so it goes.

How very stupid.

Stick to ISIS, where you're a renowned expert.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On 12/15/15 7:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 05:52:36 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/14/15 8:32 PM, John H. wrote:
Today the FAA announced plans for a model aircraft registration process to begin next
week. The new federal requirements:

All aircraft that are flown using a ground control system, such as a
transmitter, are required to participate. This includes fixed-wing aircraft, not just
multirotors or drones.
Any pilot flying models weighing between .55 pounds (or 250 grams) and 55 lbs
is required to register.
You will not be required to register every aircraft individually. You only
need to register yourself and can affix one registration number to all your aircraft.
You must mark all aircraft with your registration number. The number can be inside
the aircraft, such as a battery hatch - but should not require tools to access.
The FAA plans to launch the online registration website on Monday, December
21.
There is a $5 fee to register, which is waived if you register within the
first 30 days.
You only need to register once every 3 years.

The above was copied from an email from the AMA today. Note the minimum size, and the
fact that every aircraft is included. So if I buy a baby model that weighs over a
half pound, and give it to a grandkid, the grandkid must be a registered operator.

How friggin' stupid are the assholes running this government. I guess they're pretty
smart, they just made the AFGE a lot bigger.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


Why are you whining about government employment? Weren't you a
government employee most of your working life? Wasn't your wife? Didn't
your wife get health plan benefits from an employee union? You're biting
the hands that fed you, eh?

Waste is waste, Krause.

Attempting to solve the drone problem by forcing responsible operators to register
and then needing a bureaucracy to track the process is stupid.

As usual, you can't discuss the topic without changing the subject.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


If the subject is overreacting government and waste, then your
involvements as a government employee in the war against Vietnam
qualifies as both, and to a much greater degree than an effort to help
control what might be a toy that interferes with safe air travel.

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:38:42 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/15/15 7:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 05:52:36 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/14/15 8:32 PM, John H. wrote:
Today the FAA announced plans for a model aircraft registration process to begin next
week. The new federal requirements:

All aircraft that are flown using a ground control system, such as a
transmitter, are required to participate. This includes fixed-wing aircraft, not just
multirotors or drones.
Any pilot flying models weighing between .55 pounds (or 250 grams) and 55 lbs
is required to register.
You will not be required to register every aircraft individually. You only
need to register yourself and can affix one registration number to all your aircraft.
You must mark all aircraft with your registration number. The number can be inside
the aircraft, such as a battery hatch - but should not require tools to access.
The FAA plans to launch the online registration website on Monday, December
21.
There is a $5 fee to register, which is waived if you register within the
first 30 days.
You only need to register once every 3 years.

The above was copied from an email from the AMA today. Note the minimum size, and the
fact that every aircraft is included. So if I buy a baby model that weighs over a
half pound, and give it to a grandkid, the grandkid must be a registered operator.

How friggin' stupid are the assholes running this government. I guess they're pretty
smart, they just made the AFGE a lot bigger.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


Why are you whining about government employment? Weren't you a
government employee most of your working life? Wasn't your wife? Didn't
your wife get health plan benefits from an employee union? You're biting
the hands that fed you, eh?

Waste is waste, Krause.

Attempting to solve the drone problem by forcing responsible operators to register
and then needing a bureaucracy to track the process is stupid.

As usual, you can't discuss the topic without changing the subject.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


If the subject is overreacting government and waste, then your
involvements as a government employee in the war against Vietnam
qualifies as both,

As does yours.

and to a much greater degree than an effort to help
control what might be a toy that interferes with safe air travel.

There is no help being given to the control of the toy. If that was desired, they
could allow more 'legal' airfields for kids to come to for training and enjoyment.

As usual, you can't seem to keep on track.

However, since our 'discussion' about name-calling a while back, you've managed to
curtail that activity.

Kudos to you!
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 08:20:20 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article Oo6dnX9gZfcDgO3LnZ2dnUU7-
, says...

The concern is that a million or more inexpensive "drones" will be given
as Christmas presents next week and the FAA anticipates many potential
problems with people using them who are not familiar with their
operation or restrictions. The FAA isn't the only government agency
who is concerned. British Columbia has also issued concerns due to
several close calls involving aircraft and drones in Canada. Similar
regulations are in the works there.

Did you happen to hear Joe Scarborough this morning,
saying the Republican base have been "whiners" for at
least the past 20 years?
This is good example of that.
The government reacts to the threat of commercial
aircraft being brought down, with 100's of deaths.
"Republicans" and libertarians whine about it.
And so it goes.

The complaint is about ineffective bureaucracy. How does sending the
government $5 and getting a registration number prevent someone from
flying a drone near the airport? Even if the person did put the number
somewhere on the drone and it survived the crash in a condition that
it could still be read (the method of numbering is up to the owner),
the fine is $5000 and the plane still crashed.

That is a huge bureaucracy that did absolutely nothing to advance
safety.