On Sunday, October 25, 2015 at 1:41:47 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/25/2015 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 12:42:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/25/2015 12:32 PM, wrote:

The flaw in your logic is the no fly zones were not part of the
original cease fire and that essentially restarted the war.
Overflying a sovereign country with armed aircraft and shooting
missiles into the crowd is an act of war.
They were started right before the 1992 election and actually became
the Clinton policy.
By the time GW took office, a state of war had existed in Iraq for
over 8 years.
People are trying to reinstate that situation in Iraq again as we
speak.
What could possibly go wrong? ;-)

I also think the way we are parsing "combat deaths" with the rest of
the people dying is down right Orwellian. Most of the GIs who died in
Iraq were not "combat deaths" in the current twisted definition.



I stand corrected. The UN did not authorize the no fly zones. The US
Britain and France did, mostly to protect the Kurds.

"Protecting the Kurds" was just a euphemism for supporting a CIA
inspired coup. It became clear that we needed boots on the ground to
actually accomplish that so we did.

Regardless, it wasn't the only Resolution being broken and Saddam was
certainly starting to behave in a militaristic manner again.


He was simply emulating Bill Clinton and believing he was bullet
proof. We bombed him just about every day for a decade and he was as
powerful as ever,. The US was even losing the allies they had counted
on for most of that time.
By 2003, the only choice was becoming, walk away and let him have the
win or go get him. Pressure from the Eastern Med assured, walking away
was never going to be an option.
I doubt Al Gore would have come up with any better option either.
If we were seen as supporting an Israelis in a war with saddam it
would have been infinitely worse. You only have to look at 1974 to get
a clue and that did not even involve an invasion of a muslim state.



I've often thought that the morning after a new President's inauguration
a meeting is held in a secure room and he is briefed by the CIA, the
NSA, the FBI and other intelligence groups (that we probably don't even
know about) as to what the world situation *really* is. The public
never knows the details. We get the dumbed down versions that have gaps
that don't often make sense.

Yes, and that's when the new POTUS goes. "Oh, ****".

On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:32:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 2:07 PM, wrote:

Sanders is the wild card but I see his chances to be about like
Trumps.



I'm rooting for Trump, Carson, Santorum, Cruz, the crazier the better.

Then Sanders is right up your alley.


I'm still in the Hillary camp. I don't think 'Mericans are ready to vote
for a self-described "socialist," even though Sanders is a mild
socialist, at best. I think Hillary will trounce any of the Republicans
who have a chance of getting the nomination. Hate and stupidity might
get you the GOP nomination, but I don't think it'll get you the election.

Yeah we need 4 more years of Bush/Clinton. ;-)

What is the definition of insanity?

On 10/25/15 2:42 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:32:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 2:07 PM, wrote:

Sanders is the wild card but I see his chances to be about like
Trumps.



I'm rooting for Trump, Carson, Santorum, Cruz, the crazier the better.

Then Sanders is right up your alley.


I'm still in the Hillary camp. I don't think 'Mericans are ready to vote
for a self-described "socialist," even though Sanders is a mild
socialist, at best. I think Hillary will trounce any of the Republicans
who have a chance of getting the nomination. Hate and stupidity might
get you the GOP nomination, but I don't think it'll get you the election.

Yeah we need 4 more years of Bush/Clinton. ;-)

What is the definition of insanity?


Voting for libertarians?

On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 16:37:36 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 2:42 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:32:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 2:07 PM, wrote:

Sanders is the wild card but I see his chances to be about like
Trumps.



I'm rooting for Trump, Carson, Santorum, Cruz, the crazier the better.

Then Sanders is right up your alley.


I'm still in the Hillary camp. I don't think 'Mericans are ready to vote
for a self-described "socialist," even though Sanders is a mild
socialist, at best. I think Hillary will trounce any of the Republicans
who have a chance of getting the nomination. Hate and stupidity might
get you the GOP nomination, but I don't think it'll get you the election.

Yeah we need 4 more years of Bush/Clinton. ;-)

What is the definition of insanity?


Voting for libertarians?

OK fine with me but don't bitch when everything you hate about
corporate America, pretty much stays the same.

On 10/25/15 7:51 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 16:37:36 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 2:42 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:32:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 2:07 PM, wrote:

Sanders is the wild card but I see his chances to be about like
Trumps.



I'm rooting for Trump, Carson, Santorum, Cruz, the crazier the better.

Then Sanders is right up your alley.


I'm still in the Hillary camp. I don't think 'Mericans are ready to vote
for a self-described "socialist," even though Sanders is a mild
socialist, at best. I think Hillary will trounce any of the Republicans
who have a chance of getting the nomination. Hate and stupidity might
get you the GOP nomination, but I don't think it'll get you the election.

Yeah we need 4 more years of Bush/Clinton. ;-)

What is the definition of insanity?


Voting for libertarians?

OK fine with me but don't bitch when everything you hate about
corporate America, pretty much stays the same.



Please provide a list of the Libertarian candidates who will be running
for POTUS in 2016 and their odds of being elected.

On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 20:03:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 7:51 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 16:37:36 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 2:42 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:32:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 2:07 PM, wrote:

Sanders is the wild card but I see his chances to be about like
Trumps.



I'm rooting for Trump, Carson, Santorum, Cruz, the crazier the better.

Then Sanders is right up your alley.


I'm still in the Hillary camp. I don't think 'Mericans are ready to vote
for a self-described "socialist," even though Sanders is a mild
socialist, at best. I think Hillary will trounce any of the Republicans
who have a chance of getting the nomination. Hate and stupidity might
get you the GOP nomination, but I don't think it'll get you the election.

Yeah we need 4 more years of Bush/Clinton. ;-)

What is the definition of insanity?


Voting for libertarians?

OK fine with me but don't bitch when everything you hate about
corporate America, pretty much stays the same.



Please provide a list of the Libertarian candidates who will be running
for POTUS in 2016 and their odds of being elected.

I doubt anyone is even being seriously being promoted at this point.
Without the massive amount of bribe money thrown at candidates who
want to bestow generous gifts from the government, they can't afford 2
year campaigns.

On 10/26/15 12:37 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 20:03:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 7:51 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 16:37:36 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 2:42 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:32:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 2:07 PM, wrote:

Sanders is the wild card but I see his chances to be about like
Trumps.



I'm rooting for Trump, Carson, Santorum, Cruz, the crazier the better.

Then Sanders is right up your alley.


I'm still in the Hillary camp. I don't think 'Mericans are ready to vote
for a self-described "socialist," even though Sanders is a mild
socialist, at best. I think Hillary will trounce any of the Republicans
who have a chance of getting the nomination. Hate and stupidity might
get you the GOP nomination, but I don't think it'll get you the election.

Yeah we need 4 more years of Bush/Clinton. ;-)

What is the definition of insanity?


Voting for libertarians?

OK fine with me but don't bitch when everything you hate about
corporate America, pretty much stays the same.



Please provide a list of the Libertarian candidates who will be running
for POTUS in 2016 and their odds of being elected.

I doubt anyone is even being seriously being promoted at this point.
Without the massive amount of bribe money thrown at candidates who
want to bestow generous gifts from the government, they can't afford 2
year campaigns.



Ahh, so voting is not the answer, but bitching about the system
is...thank you, Senator Rubio.

On 10/26/2015 6:43 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/26/15 12:37 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 20:03:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 7:51 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 16:37:36 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 2:42 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:32:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 2:07 PM, wrote:

Sanders is the wild card but I see his chances to be about like
Trumps.



I'm rooting for Trump, Carson, Santorum, Cruz, the crazier the
better.

Then Sanders is right up your alley.


I'm still in the Hillary camp. I don't think 'Mericans are ready
to vote
for a self-described "socialist," even though Sanders is a mild
socialist, at best. I think Hillary will trounce any of the
Republicans
who have a chance of getting the nomination. Hate and stupidity
might
get you the GOP nomination, but I don't think it'll get you the
election.

Yeah we need 4 more years of Bush/Clinton. ;-)

What is the definition of insanity?


Voting for libertarians?

OK fine with me but don't bitch when everything you hate about
corporate America, pretty much stays the same.



Please provide a list of the Libertarian candidates who will be running
for POTUS in 2016 and their odds of being elected.

I doubt anyone is even being seriously being promoted at this point.
Without the massive amount of bribe money thrown at candidates who
want to bestow generous gifts from the government, they can't afford 2
year campaigns.



Ahh, so voting is not the answer, but bitching about the system
is...thank you, Senator Rubio.

So cast your votes quietly and quit bitching about anything republican.

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:29:58 -0400, Justan Olphart
wrote:

It really makes me wonder about that education you are always bragging
about if we never even see a glimmer of it peeking out from under the
box it hides beneath

Good point.

===

I can't see it either but it smells like bovine excrement.

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:57:08 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:



There's little of value in rec.boats, and what with the behavior of the
right-wing trash here, I see no incentive to try to make it better. I
don't know why you fellows cannot understand my reluctance to "engage"
here, as it were. I've posted the reasons many times in fairly simple
English.

So you are just a troll like Slammer.


Oh...my daddy didn't have to fork over many dollars to pay for my
undergrad degree. Thanks to his union connections, I was able to get
summer jobs that paid enough to cover most of my costs, and with
part-time jobs during the semester, I had pocket money, too. I had a
fellowship from my employer at the time to cover much of the cost of my
M.A., and the pittance I was paid as a graduate teaching assistant
covered the rest.

Ah daddy got you a no show job.
It was still a waste of money if all you can come up with are these
brain farts.
At least when your buddy Boriwitz comes up with stupid **** and lies,
it is presented as satire and fairly well written. You just spew
insults and bull****. High school dropouts can do that.