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On mass shootings... an answer
On 10/5/2015 7:22 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:25:21 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:05:51 -0400, wrote: That might do something in 20 or 30 years but we need an answer now. There are hundreds of millions of guns here now, if they stopped making them tomorrow. === Before too long someone will figure out how to make an automatic weapon on a 3D printer. Control that. As soon as they make a 3d printer that works with steel "ink". Right now all they can make are the parts that don't see the pressures and the impacts. Guys have made the frame and some other parts. OTOH those parts that can't be plastic are generally consumables so they are not serialized or controlled. (barrels, firing pins, extractors, springs and such) There's at least one handgun called "The Liberator" that is completely plastic and 3D printed except for one part. It uses a common nail as the firing pin. Everything else, including the barrel, is plastic. |
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On mass shootings... an answer
On 10/5/2015 7:32 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2015 7:22 PM, wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:25:21 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:05:51 -0400, wrote: That might do something in 20 or 30 years but we need an answer now. There are hundreds of millions of guns here now, if they stopped making them tomorrow. === Before too long someone will figure out how to make an automatic weapon on a 3D printer. Control that. As soon as they make a 3d printer that works with steel "ink". Right now all they can make are the parts that don't see the pressures and the impacts. Guys have made the frame and some other parts. OTOH those parts that can't be plastic are generally consumables so they are not serialized or controlled. (barrels, firing pins, extractors, springs and such) There's at least one handgun called "The Liberator" that is completely plastic and 3D printed except for one part. It uses a common nail as the firing pin. Everything else, including the barrel, is plastic. Even has a 3D printed plastic spring. |
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On mass shootings... an answer
On 10/5/2015 7:32 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2015 7:22 PM, wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:25:21 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:05:51 -0400, wrote: That might do something in 20 or 30 years but we need an answer now. There are hundreds of millions of guns here now, if they stopped making them tomorrow. === Before too long someone will figure out how to make an automatic weapon on a 3D printer. Control that. As soon as they make a 3d printer that works with steel "ink". Right now all they can make are the parts that don't see the pressures and the impacts. Guys have made the frame and some other parts. OTOH those parts that can't be plastic are generally consumables so they are not serialized or controlled. (barrels, firing pins, extractors, springs and such) There's at least one handgun called "The Liberator" that is completely plastic and 3D printed except for one part. It uses a common nail as the firing pin. Everything else, including the barrel, is plastic. Here's a picture of it. 16 parts, 15 of which are all 3D printed plastic. Only the hardware store variety nail that is used as the firing pin is not printed or plastic. http://tinyurl.com/p3vcfxj |
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On mass shootings... an answer
On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 19:32:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 10/5/2015 7:22 PM, wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:25:21 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:05:51 -0400, wrote: That might do something in 20 or 30 years but we need an answer now. There are hundreds of millions of guns here now, if they stopped making them tomorrow. === Before too long someone will figure out how to make an automatic weapon on a 3D printer. Control that. As soon as they make a 3d printer that works with steel "ink". Right now all they can make are the parts that don't see the pressures and the impacts. Guys have made the frame and some other parts. OTOH those parts that can't be plastic are generally consumables so they are not serialized or controlled. (barrels, firing pins, extractors, springs and such) There's at least one handgun called "The Liberator" that is completely plastic and 3D printed except for one part. It uses a common nail as the firing pin. Everything else, including the barrel, is plastic. I saw that and I saw him fire a shot out of it but I bet up around round 2 or 3 it is a musket and after that it is potentiality a grenade. (even with a relatively wimpy round like the .380 this gun shoots) Barrel erosion will be a serious problem, even in a single shot gun like this. To make a real gun, you need a steel barrel, particularly an "automatic" weapon like Wayne described. The physics of ejecting a round and loading another one requires some mass too. I made single shot "zip guns" when I was about 12-13 but I would not try to make anything that was a repeater. You can make a very serviceable single shot 12 gauge from stuff you get at Home Depot. The best pipe is actually from the "monkey bars" down at the grade school. You will have to trick someone into threading it tho. ;-) |
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On mass shootings... an answer
On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 19:22:44 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:25:21 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:05:51 -0400, wrote: That might do something in 20 or 30 years but we need an answer now. There are hundreds of millions of guns here now, if they stopped making them tomorrow. === Before too long someone will figure out how to make an automatic weapon on a 3D printer. Control that. As soon as they make a 3d printer that works with steel "ink". Right now all they can make are the parts that don't see the pressures and the impacts. Guys have made the frame and some other parts. OTOH those parts that can't be plastic are generally consumables so they are not serialized or controlled. (barrels, firing pins, extractors, springs and such) === Even the 3D printers of today can be used to make high precision templates which an amateur machinist can use with jigs, routers, Dremel tools, etc. to turn out everything that's needed. It's just a matter of time before the plans show up for downloading along with a couple of "how to" videos on YouTube. |
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On mass shootings... an answer
On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 19:59:11 -0400,
wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 19:22:44 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:25:21 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:05:51 -0400, wrote: That might do something in 20 or 30 years but we need an answer now. There are hundreds of millions of guns here now, if they stopped making them tomorrow. === Before too long someone will figure out how to make an automatic weapon on a 3D printer. Control that. As soon as they make a 3d printer that works with steel "ink". Right now all they can make are the parts that don't see the pressures and the impacts. Guys have made the frame and some other parts. OTOH those parts that can't be plastic are generally consumables so they are not serialized or controlled. (barrels, firing pins, extractors, springs and such) === Even the 3D printers of today can be used to make high precision templates which an amateur machinist can use with jigs, routers, Dremel tools, etc. to turn out everything that's needed. It's just a matter of time before the plans show up for downloading along with a couple of "how to" videos on YouTube. If you have a lathe and a milling machine you can make pretty much everything but the barrel, assuming you are making a rifled bore. I made a smooth bore .22 that worked from a car antenna and a bunch of fiberglass wrapping. It was chucked up in a cap gun with most of the hammer filed away. The problem was the brass came out the back almost as fast as the bullet went out the front. |
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#8
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On mass shootings... an answer
On 10/5/15 9:51 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 19:59:11 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 19:22:44 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:25:21 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:05:51 -0400, wrote: That might do something in 20 or 30 years but we need an answer now. There are hundreds of millions of guns here now, if they stopped making them tomorrow. === Before too long someone will figure out how to make an automatic weapon on a 3D printer. Control that. As soon as they make a 3d printer that works with steel "ink". Right now all they can make are the parts that don't see the pressures and the impacts. Guys have made the frame and some other parts. OTOH those parts that can't be plastic are generally consumables so they are not serialized or controlled. (barrels, firing pins, extractors, springs and such) === Even the 3D printers of today can be used to make high precision templates which an amateur machinist can use with jigs, routers, Dremel tools, etc. to turn out everything that's needed. It's just a matter of time before the plans show up for downloading along with a couple of "how to" videos on YouTube. If you have a lathe and a milling machine you can make pretty much everything but the barrel, assuming you are making a rifled bore. I made a smooth bore .22 that worked from a car antenna and a bunch of fiberglass wrapping. It was chucked up in a cap gun with most of the hammer filed away. The problem was the brass came out the back almost as fast as the bullet went out the front. Were you a Shark or a Jet? |
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On mass shootings... an answer
On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 22:01:08 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/5/15 9:51 PM, wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 19:59:11 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 19:22:44 -0400, wrote: If you have a lathe and a milling machine you can make pretty much everything but the barrel, assuming you are making a rifled bore. I made a smooth bore .22 that worked from a car antenna and a bunch of fiberglass wrapping. It was chucked up in a cap gun with most of the hammer filed away. The problem was the brass came out the back almost as fast as the bullet went out the front. Were you a Shark or a Jet? When you're a Jet you're a Jet all the way, from your first cigarette to your last dying day ... ;-) All I can come up with at 0045 Sort of "Souf eese Story". |
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On mass shootings... an answer
On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 21:51:37 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 19:59:11 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 19:22:44 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:25:21 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:05:51 -0400, wrote: That might do something in 20 or 30 years but we need an answer now. There are hundreds of millions of guns here now, if they stopped making them tomorrow. === Before too long someone will figure out how to make an automatic weapon on a 3D printer. Control that. As soon as they make a 3d printer that works with steel "ink". Right now all they can make are the parts that don't see the pressures and the impacts. Guys have made the frame and some other parts. OTOH those parts that can't be plastic are generally consumables so they are not serialized or controlled. (barrels, firing pins, extractors, springs and such) === Even the 3D printers of today can be used to make high precision templates which an amateur machinist can use with jigs, routers, Dremel tools, etc. to turn out everything that's needed. It's just a matter of time before the plans show up for downloading along with a couple of "how to" videos on YouTube. If you have a lathe and a milling machine you can make pretty much everything but the barrel, assuming you are making a rifled bore. I made a smooth bore .22 that worked from a car antenna and a bunch of fiberglass wrapping. It was chucked up in a cap gun with most of the hammer filed away. The problem was the brass came out the back almost as fast as the bullet went out the front. === Sounds like you're in the same "lucky to have survived childhood" category that I was. Nowadays you also have to make a video of it to truly qualify as a stupid kid trick. It's fairly easy to improvise a crude milling machine if you have some woodworking tools, small grinding wheels, cross slide vice, etc. I have no idea how to make a rifled barrel but it's not really necessary for short range. There's probably something on YouTube however. |
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