On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 20:01:19 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 16:28:50 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 4:24 PM, wrote:


My problem with the current situation is the medical/educational
establishment does not recognize military training and experience.


Well, there certainly are ways to evaluate the education and training,
and "test" the applicants for ability and knowledge. It seems reasonable
to grant qualified military personnel paid apprenticeships at hospitals
while they pursue educationally whatever can reasonably be determined is
needed to help them get a BSN. There are lots of science courses
involved in that BSN.


My grand niece was an ER nurse in the navy and in civilian life she
would have to start like any other high school graduate.
There was no path to use any of her training or experience.

Officer? Normally they'd have to have a nursing degree.

http://www.military-nurse.com/milita...uirements.html
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On 10/2/2015 10:41 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 20:01:19 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 16:28:50 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 4:24 PM, wrote:


My problem with the current situation is the medical/educational
establishment does not recognize military training and experience.


Well, there certainly are ways to evaluate the education and training,
and "test" the applicants for ability and knowledge. It seems reasonable
to grant qualified military personnel paid apprenticeships at hospitals
while they pursue educationally whatever can reasonably be determined is
needed to help them get a BSN. There are lots of science courses
involved in that BSN.


My grand niece was an ER nurse in the navy and in civilian life she
would have to start like any other high school graduate.
There was no path to use any of her training or experience.

Officer? Normally they'd have to have a nursing degree.

http://www.military-nurse.com/milita...uirements.html
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Ban idiots, not guns!



I don't know if there is an Army equivalent to the Navy's Hospital
Corpsman rating. It's an enlisted rating and does not require a
degree. There is also a Navy Nurse program for commissioned officers.

The Navy has always had a different approach to schools and training,
mainly because unlike the other services there are often long periods
spent underway, isolated from external support and with limited
resources and spare parts. As a result Navy schools are designed to
prepare each rating to be self sufficient in terms of capabilities ...
more so than the other branches that can rely upon support and supply
facilities. For example:

Air Force techs are know as "board changers". They will troubleshoot a
problem in a piece of gear to the printed circuit board level and then
swap the bad board for a new one held in inventory. Virtually all the
avionics gear that the Air Force uses is designed to be supported this
way. That works well when there's a spare parts facility nearby. The
Navy techs are trained to troubleshoot to the component level, replacing
the bad resistor, diode or capacitor on the board because the ability to
store spares for all the gear aboard isn't possible. It's one of the
reasons the Navy electronics schools have such a great reputation.

Same with the Navy Hospital Corpsman. Both ships I was stationed on did
not have a medical doctor. The "doc" was an E6 enlisted Hospital
Corpsman who was trained to treat everything from hangovers to
performing emergency appendectomies if it was not possible to transfer
the patient to a larger ship or shore station.

The first "physician's assistant's" (PA) that are very common now in
hospitals were Navy Corpsman who had Vietnam service in the Fleet
Marines.

These people have excellent training and experience. We should make use
of it when they return to the civilian world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospital_corpsman#Training

On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 13:26:30 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/2/2015 10:41 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 20:01:19 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 16:28:50 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 4:24 PM, wrote:


My problem with the current situation is the medical/educational
establishment does not recognize military training and experience.


Well, there certainly are ways to evaluate the education and training,
and "test" the applicants for ability and knowledge. It seems reasonable
to grant qualified military personnel paid apprenticeships at hospitals
while they pursue educationally whatever can reasonably be determined is
needed to help them get a BSN. There are lots of science courses
involved in that BSN.


My grand niece was an ER nurse in the navy and in civilian life she
would have to start like any other high school graduate.
There was no path to use any of her training or experience.

Officer? Normally they'd have to have a nursing degree.

http://www.military-nurse.com/milita...uirements.html
--

Ban idiots, not guns!



I don't know if there is an Army equivalent to the Navy's Hospital
Corpsman rating. It's an enlisted rating and does not require a
degree. There is also a Navy Nurse program for commissioned officers.

The Navy has always had a different approach to schools and training,
mainly because unlike the other services there are often long periods
spent underway, isolated from external support and with limited
resources and spare parts. As a result Navy schools are designed to
prepare each rating to be self sufficient in terms of capabilities ...
more so than the other branches that can rely upon support and supply
facilities. For example:

Air Force techs are know as "board changers". They will troubleshoot a
problem in a piece of gear to the printed circuit board level and then
swap the bad board for a new one held in inventory. Virtually all the
avionics gear that the Air Force uses is designed to be supported this
way. That works well when there's a spare parts facility nearby. The
Navy techs are trained to troubleshoot to the component level, replacing
the bad resistor, diode or capacitor on the board because the ability to
store spares for all the gear aboard isn't possible. It's one of the
reasons the Navy electronics schools have such a great reputation.

Same with the Navy Hospital Corpsman. Both ships I was stationed on did
not have a medical doctor. The "doc" was an E6 enlisted Hospital
Corpsman who was trained to treat everything from hangovers to
performing emergency appendectomies if it was not possible to transfer
the patient to a larger ship or shore station.

The first "physician's assistant's" (PA) that are very common now in
hospitals were Navy Corpsman who had Vietnam service in the Fleet
Marines.

These people have excellent training and experience. We should make use
of it when they return to the civilian world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospital_corpsman#Training

Yes, the Army has Combat Medics who go through the training I flasked up here
yesterday in response to krause's comment.

The Army Nurses have the same requirements as other military nurses (see the link).

At the Engineer (an probably most others) battalion level there is a Battalion
Surgeon, a doctor. The companies get their medics from the Battalion Medical Platoon
on an 'as needed' basis. When in garrison, the medics all report to the Battalion
Surgeon.

This may have changed a lot. I believe at the Battalion level, now, physicians
assistants do most of the medical work of the former doctor. The cases the PA (E6 or
E7) can't handle would get moved to the next level.

The Army and the Navy seem to operate much the same way.
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On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 14:44:58 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 13:26:30 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/2/2015 10:41 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 20:01:19 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 16:28:50 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 4:24 PM, wrote:


My problem with the current situation is the medical/educational
establishment does not recognize military training and experience.


Well, there certainly are ways to evaluate the education and training,
and "test" the applicants for ability and knowledge. It seems reasonable
to grant qualified military personnel paid apprenticeships at hospitals
while they pursue educationally whatever can reasonably be determined is
needed to help them get a BSN. There are lots of science courses
involved in that BSN.


My grand niece was an ER nurse in the navy and in civilian life she
would have to start like any other high school graduate.
There was no path to use any of her training or experience.

Officer? Normally they'd have to have a nursing degree.

http://www.military-nurse.com/milita...uirements.html
--

Ban idiots, not guns!



I don't know if there is an Army equivalent to the Navy's Hospital
Corpsman rating. It's an enlisted rating and does not require a
degree. There is also a Navy Nurse program for commissioned officers.

The Navy has always had a different approach to schools and training,
mainly because unlike the other services there are often long periods
spent underway, isolated from external support and with limited
resources and spare parts. As a result Navy schools are designed to
prepare each rating to be self sufficient in terms of capabilities ...
more so than the other branches that can rely upon support and supply
facilities. For example:

Air Force techs are know as "board changers". They will troubleshoot a
problem in a piece of gear to the printed circuit board level and then
swap the bad board for a new one held in inventory. Virtually all the
avionics gear that the Air Force uses is designed to be supported this
way. That works well when there's a spare parts facility nearby. The
Navy techs are trained to troubleshoot to the component level, replacing
the bad resistor, diode or capacitor on the board because the ability to
store spares for all the gear aboard isn't possible. It's one of the
reasons the Navy electronics schools have such a great reputation.

Same with the Navy Hospital Corpsman. Both ships I was stationed on did
not have a medical doctor. The "doc" was an E6 enlisted Hospital
Corpsman who was trained to treat everything from hangovers to
performing emergency appendectomies if it was not possible to transfer
the patient to a larger ship or shore station.

The first "physician's assistant's" (PA) that are very common now in
hospitals were Navy Corpsman who had Vietnam service in the Fleet
Marines.

These people have excellent training and experience. We should make use
of it when they return to the civilian world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospital_corpsman#Training

Yes, the Army has Combat Medics who go through the training I flasked up here
yesterday in response to krause's comment.

The Army Nurses have the same requirements as other military nurses (see the link).

At the Engineer (an probably most others) battalion level there is a Battalion
Surgeon, a doctor. The companies get their medics from the Battalion Medical Platoon
on an 'as needed' basis. When in garrison, the medics all report to the Battalion
Surgeon.

This may have changed a lot. I believe at the Battalion level, now, physicians
assistants do most of the medical work of the former doctor. The cases the PA (E6 or
E7) can't handle would get moved to the next level.

The Army and the Navy seem to operate much the same way.

What Richard was pointing out is on a ship, the corpsman will be "the
doctor" and they are not officers.
Where my grand niece was, she couldn't call herself an OR nurse but
that was the job she did. On a carrier it is a real hospital with real
doctors but a lot of the work is still don by enlisted people ...
similar to medical techs at medical; places here "in the world".
Probably more so.