On 10/1/2015 3:28 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/1/15 4:24 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:16:17 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:08 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:58:01 -0400, wrote:


You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.
FWIW, the hospital my brother was in, until yesterday, does use a
triage approach. A
nurse sits with each arrival, takes vitals, listens to complaint,
and decides where
the patient goes. Worked well when we took him in.
--

There's nothing unusual about that "nurse greeting" approach for
walk-ins. Our local hospital has used that approach for years.

I would go for pre-screening minor ER visits by former military
personnel who are at least registered nurses or, better, physician's
assistants. I first see a physician's assistant at my local medical
practice, and she is thorough.

My problem with the current situation is the medical/educational
establishment does not recognize military training and experience.


Well, there certainly are ways to evaluate the education and training,
and "test" the applicants for ability and knowledge. It seems reasonable
to grant qualified military personnel paid apprenticeships at hospitals
while they pursue educationally whatever can reasonably be determined is
needed to help them get a BSN. There are lots of science courses
involved in that BSN.


BSN's don't generally do bedside nursing.

On 10/1/2015 3:43 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/1/15 4:35 PM, wrote:



You must have dodged the draft with Harry.


- - -

Why do you keep perpetuating this bull****? Once again, I registered for
the draft, and I kept my draft board informed of my whereabouts.
That was the legal requirement and I followed the requirement.

The overwhelming majority of males in my age group were not drafted. I
was part of that majority.



We only have your word on that. What do you think your word is worth
around here?

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 21:04:43 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 20:09:41 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

Well, one fact that might stick is that the shooter was 20 years old,

Now the shooter is being reported as 26 years old.

See what I mean about jumping to conclusions based on early reports.

Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/1/2015 3:28 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/1/15 4:24 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:16:17 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:08 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:58:01 -0400, wrote:


You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.
FWIW, the hospital my brother was in, until yesterday, does use a
triage approach. A
nurse sits with each arrival, takes vitals, listens to complaint,
and decides where
the patient goes. Worked well when we took him in.
--

There's nothing unusual about that "nurse greeting" approach for
walk-ins. Our local hospital has used that approach for years.

I would go for pre-screening minor ER visits by former military
personnel who are at least registered nurses or, better, physician's
assistants. I first see a physician's assistant at my local medical
practice, and she is thorough.

My problem with the current situation is the medical/educational
establishment does not recognize military training and experience.


Well, there certainly are ways to evaluate the education and training,
and "test" the applicants for ability and knowledge. It seems reasonable
to grant qualified military personnel paid apprenticeships at hospitals
while they pursue educationally whatever can reasonably be determined is
needed to help them get a BSN. There are lots of science courses
involved in that BSN.


BSN's don't generally do bedside nursing.


They do. Most every nurse these days gets a bachelor degree along with the
nursing license. BSN is just an old school RN, without as much nursing
experience from school.

On 10/1/2015 11:03 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 21:04:43 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 20:09:41 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

Well, one fact that might stick is that the shooter was 20 years old,

Now the shooter is being reported as 26 years old.

See what I mean about jumping to conclusions based on early reports.



Does it really matter how old he was? He was obviously a nutcase.
Nutcases shouldn't own or have easy access to guns.

Time to revamp the laws that allow this to happen.

On 10/1/2015 10:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/1/2015 3:28 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/1/15 4:24 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:16:17 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:08 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:58:01 -0400, wrote:


You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.
FWIW, the hospital my brother was in, until yesterday, does use a
triage approach. A
nurse sits with each arrival, takes vitals, listens to complaint,
and decides where
the patient goes. Worked well when we took him in.
--

There's nothing unusual about that "nurse greeting" approach for
walk-ins. Our local hospital has used that approach for years.

I would go for pre-screening minor ER visits by former military
personnel who are at least registered nurses or, better, physician's
assistants. I first see a physician's assistant at my local medical
practice, and she is thorough.

My problem with the current situation is the medical/educational
establishment does not recognize military training and experience.


Well, there certainly are ways to evaluate the education and training,
and "test" the applicants for ability and knowledge. It seems reasonable
to grant qualified military personnel paid apprenticeships at hospitals
while they pursue educationally whatever can reasonably be determined is
needed to help them get a BSN. There are lots of science courses
involved in that BSN.


BSN's don't generally do bedside nursing.


They do. Most every nurse these days gets a bachelor degree along with the
nursing license. BSN is just an old school RN, without as much nursing
experience from school.

All the ones I know with BSN are in administrative positions.

In article ,
says...


BTW .. I caught a little bit of Rachael Maddow's show last night. She
can be obnoxious but she does her research. A "mass shooting" is
defined by the FBI as being four or more people being shot.
According to her research, there has been a shooting involving four or
more victims (mass shooting) at least once a *week* in this country
for the past four years or so. One week had 18 of them. My guess is
that most of them are gang related shooting that we don't hear much about.

How long did that take her - half an hour?
How many times did she repeat a phrase?
I saw another newscaster say that in about 15 seconds.
She craves attention. I just can't stand her.

In article ,
says...


Does it really matter how old he was? He was obviously a nutcase.
Nutcases shouldn't own or have easy access to guns.

Time to revamp the laws that allow this to happen.

Just get used to it. AFAIK, he was a legal gun owner.
Or was allowed access to the guns of a legal gun owner.

On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 20:01:19 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 16:28:50 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 4:24 PM, wrote:


My problem with the current situation is the medical/educational
establishment does not recognize military training and experience.


Well, there certainly are ways to evaluate the education and training,
and "test" the applicants for ability and knowledge. It seems reasonable
to grant qualified military personnel paid apprenticeships at hospitals
while they pursue educationally whatever can reasonably be determined is
needed to help them get a BSN. There are lots of science courses
involved in that BSN.


My grand niece was an ER nurse in the navy and in civilian life she
would have to start like any other high school graduate.
There was no path to use any of her training or experience.

Officer? Normally they'd have to have a nursing degree.

http://www.military-nurse.com/milita...uirements.html
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 02:04:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/1/2015 11:03 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 21:04:43 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 20:09:41 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

Well, one fact that might stick is that the shooter was 20 years old,

Now the shooter is being reported as 26 years old.

See what I mean about jumping to conclusions based on early reports.



Does it really matter how old he was? He was obviously a nutcase.
Nutcases shouldn't own or have easy access to guns.

Time to revamp the laws that allow this to happen.


--

Ban idiots, not guns!