In article ,
says...

On 10/1/15 4:35 PM, wrote:



You must have dodged the draft with Harry.


- - -

Why do you keep perpetuating this bull****? Once again, I registered for
the draft, and I kept my draft board informed of my whereabouts.
That was the legal requirement and I followed the requirement.

The overwhelming majority of males in my age group were not drafted. I
was part of that majority.

I didn't even notice that. Must have got lost in the other
bull**** he talks. I'm a vet.
Right-wingers are prone to ****-slinging.

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/1/15 4:24 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:16:17 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:08 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:58:01 -0400, wrote:


You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.
FWIW, the hospital my brother was in, until yesterday, does use a triage approach. A
nurse sits with each arrival, takes vitals, listens to complaint, and decides where
the patient goes. Worked well when we took him in.
--

There's nothing unusual about that "nurse greeting" approach for
walk-ins. Our local hospital has used that approach for years.

I would go for pre-screening minor ER visits by former military
personnel who are at least registered nurses or, better, physician's
assistants. I first see a physician's assistant at my local medical
practice, and she is thorough.

My problem with the current situation is the medical/educational
establishment does not recognize military training and experience.


Well, there certainly are ways to evaluate the education and training,
and "test" the applicants for ability and knowledge. It seems reasonable
to grant qualified military personnel paid apprenticeships at hospitals
while they pursue educationally whatever can reasonably be determined is
needed to help them get a BSN. There are lots of science courses
involved in that BSN.




Why do they need a BSN? For years, was a RN. Nurses went to school at a
hospital for 3 years. Passed a state test. My mom got her RN in 1938.
Did not need a degree until she went to work for a VNA. Got the degree in
1962. Did not improve her nursing skills, which were top tier. Seems if
is a way of limited entry these days, requiring a degree, or advanced
degree. Why do you need a masters to teach 2nd grade?

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 16:43:53 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 4:35 PM, wrote:



You must have dodged the draft with Harry.


- - -

Why do you keep perpetuating this bull****? Once again, I registered for
the draft, and I kept my draft board informed of my whereabouts.
That was the legal requirement and I followed the requirement.

The overwhelming majority of males in my age group were not drafted. I
was part of that majority.



Did that same majority make up bull**** lies about collecting the bodies of dead
soldiers in Vietnam?
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Ban idiots, not guns!

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 16:28:50 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 4:24 PM, wrote:


My problem with the current situation is the medical/educational
establishment does not recognize military training and experience.


Well, there certainly are ways to evaluate the education and training,
and "test" the applicants for ability and knowledge. It seems reasonable
to grant qualified military personnel paid apprenticeships at hospitals
while they pursue educationally whatever can reasonably be determined is
needed to help them get a BSN. There are lots of science courses
involved in that BSN.


My grand niece was an ER nurse in the navy and in civilian life she
would have to start like any other high school graduate.
There was no path to use any of her training or experience.

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 16:51:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 4:37 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:53:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:48 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:


You do understand that Greg doesn't really give a flying f*ck about
beyond his personal needs.

...about anything beyond his personal needs..."

I am not the one throwing my grandchildren under the bus with all this
debt.



My grandson will either be a physicist or a linguist at MIT or Harvard,
likely on early admission, with a fully paid ticket. Perhaps he'll
figure out a way to stop the bus before it runs over your grandchildren.

He will do it by throwing granny from the train

wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 16:51:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 4:37 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:53:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:48 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:


You do understand that Greg doesn't really give a flying f*ck about
beyond his personal needs.

...about anything beyond his personal needs..."

I am not the one throwing my grandchildren under the bus with all this
debt.



My grandson will either be a physicist or a linguist at MIT or Harvard,
likely on early admission, with a fully paid ticket. Perhaps he'll
figure out a way to stop the bus before it runs over your grandchildren.

He will do it by throwing granny from the train


Yup a linguist is going to fix the economic debacle pending. He might be
able to phrase it so people feel good about a depression. Doubt it .

On 10/1/2015 11:22 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/1/15 12:19 PM, John H. wrote:


How was that Vietnam service, liar?


How was your last Ku Klux Klan RV Jamboree, ****-for-brains?

Wow. Your **** id really off the wall. What meds are you on?

On 10/1/2015 12:03 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:48:55 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:43 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


NO the major differences are to many to list. The wiki just hit a
couple dozen. The point I was making is it was an entirely DIFFERENT
bill that the senate substituted the same day the house bill was read
into the senate.
Pilosi did nothing but fall on her sword when the senate bill was sent
to the house.


Oh, I get it now. Commas. You're talking about commas, in
different places. The nicks and cuts on the skinned cat.
Whatever floats your boat.

You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.


Let me get this straight. Use "vets" to deliver health care.
Must be how they do they it everywhere else where less expensive
and better health care is delivered.
You are nuts.

My idea is to attack the cost of medical care, not to just create
another layer of bureaucracy like ACA and make the insurance companies
richer.


Somehow the rest of the world has solved the problem without
"vets." I suggest you look elsewhere for inspiration.
There's plenty of places that have gotten the problem in hand.


Too bad Joe Lieberman didn't join the choir.
Then we could get at the root of the problem, which is the
insurance industry, and exorbitant medical costs.

Your whole caucus was depending on Lieberman and nobody could change
his mind? It sounds like he was the only LEADER there.

Riiight. Leader of the insurance industry.
BTW, your "ideas" are why the GOP is kaput as "leaders."

.



You do understand that Greg doesn't really give a flying f*ck about
beyond his personal needs.

....and you do understand that Greg continuously makes krotch look like a dumb ****.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

We are all fully aware that Greg is making mince meat out of Krause on a
daily basis. It's a dirty job but somebody's got to do it.

On 10/1/2015 12:08 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/1/15 12:59 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:22:53 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:19 PM, John H. wrote:


How was that Vietnam service, liar?


How was your last Ku Klux Klan RV Jamboree, ****-for-brains?

Have I bragged about a KKK anything? You make about as much sense as
your little
buddy. Maybe you could decipher? I don't mind answering your
questions, 'cause I
don't have to tangle the web trying to deceive you.

How were those trips around the horn?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


I'm so happy I'm not a ****ed off, old, decrepit, racist white man with
a failing body and a failing mind...which is a perfectly valid
description of you. You are so full of hate...and nothing else.

Oh! Gag me with a spoon, you pathetic POS.

On 10/1/2015 12:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2015 12:43 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


NO the major differences are to many to list. The wiki just hit a
couple dozen. The point I was making is it was an entirely DIFFERENT
bill that the senate substituted the same day the house bill was read
into the senate.
Pilosi did nothing but fall on her sword when the senate bill was sent
to the house.


Oh, I get it now. Commas. You're talking about commas, in
different places. The nicks and cuts on the skinned cat.
Whatever floats your boat.

You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.


Let me get this straight. Use "vets" to deliver health care.
Must be how they do they it everywhere else where less expensive
and better health care is delivered.
You are nuts.

My idea is to attack the cost of medical care, not to just create
another layer of bureaucracy like ACA and make the insurance companies
richer.


Somehow the rest of the world has solved the problem without
"vets." I suggest you look elsewhere for inspiration.
There's plenty of places that have gotten the problem in hand.


Too bad Joe Lieberman didn't join the choir.
Then we could get at the root of the problem, which is the
insurance industry, and exorbitant medical costs.

Your whole caucus was depending on Lieberman and nobody could change
his mind? It sounds like he was the only LEADER there.

Riiight. Leader of the insurance industry.
BTW, your "ideas" are why the GOP is kaput as "leaders."

.



Your ignorance is showing.

First of all, the USA is *not* the "rest of the world" and the "rest of
the world" does not handle health care issues in the same way.

Every country has it's unique economic and social structure and how it
deals with social and health services vary. US military medical
personal are well trained ... probably as well or better than any
2 year nursing school and they usually have about four years or more of
direct experience. I am not talking about doctors. I am talking about
enlisted personnel who attended military schools and then worked in the
field during their enlistment. The cost of training each US Navy
Hospital Corpsman is in the six figures. Why not use that investment
when they return to the civilian workplace? They can't directly make
that transition due to political/economic influences that includes the
AMA. Stupid.

Seems like every liberal wants the USA to adopt "the rest of the
world's" solutions. Grass is always greener, eh?


What do you expect from Harry's crazy half brother?