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On 8/27/2015 3:22 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 14:06:02 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

My feelings about abortions and when life starts has absolutely no basis
in any religious views I may have. I believe that the
medical/scientific community defined when a fetus becomes viable and a
"life" begins that fit social pressures of the time.

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I do not doubt your sincerity or integrity, and you're certainly
entitled to your beliefs. I'd argue however that your beliefs are
religious in nature whether you acknowledge it or not. I say that
because they appear to be based on faith that your instincts are
correct rather than on some rigorously defined criteria. The supreme
court and the scientific community have based their opinions and
decisions on the best available facts. I think it's commendable that
they did not allow themselves to be pressured by faith based belief
systems.

As a matter of curiosity, how do you feel about the termination of
life support systems for patients who have been declared "brain dead"?

Interesting that you brought up the subject of terminating life support
systems because I had added my feelings about that in a previous post
but deleted it to stay "on topic".

But first, be assured, my position on abortions has nothing to do with
religion. I am not a member of any church and I don't practice any kind
of religion.

Here's the thing with abortions. The push to legalize abortions began
in the 1960's leading to the Roe vs Wade Supreme Court decision in 1973.
It should be noted that 1973 was also when early, crude DNA sequencing
methods were first being developed.

Roe vs Wade set the standard of "viability" (initially 24 to 28 weeks)
as the measure for abortions. Viability meant the fetus or baby
(depending on what you believe) would *not* survive outside the womb
even when artificial measures were used to keep it .... get this ...
"alive". The term "viability" has become the measure of the fetus
(baby) being a human being or not.

Meanwhile, DNA sequencing has improved immensely since Roe vs Wade.
It has been recently determined that the fertilized, single cell that
starts at conception has *all* the DNA structure of a human being.
Half comes from the mother, the other half from the father.

So, that opens Pandora's Box in my mind. When *is* it a human being?

That all said, I am not a crusader to limit abortions. It's up to the
woman and what she believes.

As for termination of life support when brain dead, hopefully the
affected person executed a living will and/or a relative has proxy
to make that decision. I see that as a completely different issue
though. Being brain dead is a measurable state. When a fertilized
human egg becomes a human being isn't ... other than the DNA evidence
that I mentioned.

I have no problem with pulling life support for someone who has been
determined to be brain dead. I also support human euthanasia, based on
personal wishes by terminally ill people.

I am against the death penalty with very limited exceptions.

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True North wrote:
Keyser SÃ¶ze
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On 8/26/15 9:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:50:12 UTC-3, Califbill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 16:03:58 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 13:59:10 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 22:47:43 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 11:40:48 -0400, John H.
wrote:

FLORIDA SAFE HAVEN LAW:

You can leave your baby, up to 7 days old, with an employee at any hospital,
emergency room, emergency medical services station or with a fire
fighter at any fire
station in Florida.

http://www.nationalsafehavenalliance..._Haven_Law.pdf

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Great. What happens to the baby after that?

Especially crack babies.

Well hell, should crack babies be put to death?

My daughter adopted a baby that suffered from fetal alcohol syndrome. The kid has
some problems, but is a great kid nevertheless.
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Ban idiots, not guns!

They are very hard to place. Maybe better orphanages?

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Orphanages can be awful places, especially for children with emotional
or intellectual disabilities. Far better for all concerned to
terminate the pregnancy at some early stage.

So test for crack, or whatever, and kill the human life...

You have to admit you're looking for exceptions. Are *all* crack babies better off
dead?
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Ban idiots, not guns!

Maybe. Might be better to kill the mother at the same time. One stupid
enough to use crack, let alone get pregnant while doing crack, would be
better removed from the gene pool.

Hey Kalif..while you're at it, you may as well terminate the father
too....and what about both sets of grandparents?

I see you are showing your low IQ again. The father is probably 22 years
old and has 25 kids. At least castrate him.

"You come across as crazier almost every time you post. Seriously."

Kalif Swill has never recovered from that tumble off the roof.

Ha ha ha. You and Krause are both fairly stupid.

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On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 19:08:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

As for termination of life support when brain dead, hopefully the
affected person executed a living will and/or a relative has proxy
to make that decision. I see that as a completely different issue
though. Being brain dead is a measurable state. When a fertilized
human egg becomes a human being isn't ... other than the DNA evidence
that I mentioned.

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I can forsee a day when we may be able to measure brain waves at some
stage of fetal development. I would accept that as evidence of life,
just as we do with a person who is otherwise comatose.

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True North wrote:
Keyser SÃ¶ze
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On 8/27/15 2:36 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 17:24:56 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Hey Kalif..while you're at it, you may as well terminate the father too....

Are you in favor of capital punishment? Daddy is probably already in
the slammer.

"Uh, you righties need to pool your resources and buy a sense of humor.
Donnie was kidding."

I was trying to be sarcastic to Swill's outrageous blathering, but I
guess humour will work too.

Give up on humor. You are too dumb to pull it off.

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On 8/27/2015 8:48 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 19:08:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

As for termination of life support when brain dead, hopefully the
affected person executed a living will and/or a relative has proxy
to make that decision. I see that as a completely different issue
though. Being brain dead is a measurable state. When a fertilized
human egg becomes a human being isn't ... other than the DNA evidence
that I mentioned.

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I can forsee a day when we may be able to measure brain waves at some
stage of fetal development. I would accept that as evidence of life,
just as we do with a person who is otherwise comatose.

Evidence already exists that a fetus has some basic brain activity as
early as the fifth week. By the sixth week it will respond to touch.

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Kalif Swill guzzles....

"Guy in charge of something. *Lack with some iPad spelling robot."

What the 'ell? You getting an early start on the weekend binging, Swill?