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On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 13:13:45 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 12:39:56 -0400, John H. wrote: Almost no animal can survive on their own immediately after birth. For damn sure, no human can do so. That is a very "mammalian" response ;-) Specieist ! yeah, well....I'm not perfect. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 13:00:07 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 12:37:20 -0400, John H. wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 09:04:35 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 01:15:17 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/26/2015 7:52 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 19:40:19 -0400, John H. wrote: Nothing religious about it. It is life. It is human. === That's ridiculous. There's nothing human about a small collection of cells that start multiplying. The problem with that argument (which has been the common accepted consensus until recently) is that it has been determined by scientists that the small collection of multiplying cells contains all the DNA of a human being and is certainly living and growing from the moment of fertilization. Nothing religious about it at all. === It's still a philosophical/religious issue. There's nothing human about a clump of DNA even though the potential is there. Trying to pinpoint the exact moment a fetus becomes "human" is a more or less a pointless exercise except for those who are dead set against abortion on religious grounds. Why anyone would want to force a woman to bring an unwanted baby into the world is beyond me. I noted, upon my return, that you conveniently skipped this: When do you consider a human life to exist? "At the end of the 8th week, the elbows become obvious, the feet, hands and even the fingers maybe distinguishable. The brain cavities are easily seen as large 'holes' in the embryonic head. The heart rate has increased to 160 bpm and the heart covers about 50% of the chest area. In some cases, it is possible to recognize the fluid-filled stomach below the heart at the end of week 8." Look at the 8 weeks scan. Is that just a 'collection of cells'? http://baby2see.com/development/ultr...ans.html#week8 Yet that's pretty early in the pregnancy. === Why anyone would want to force a woman to bring an unwanted baby into the world is beyond me, particularly a woman who had been raped, subject to incest, a pre-teen, etc. You didn't answer my questions! -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:56:15 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 13:00:07 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 12:37:20 -0400, John H. wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 09:04:35 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 01:15:17 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/26/2015 7:52 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 19:40:19 -0400, John H. wrote: Nothing religious about it. It is life. It is human. === That's ridiculous. There's nothing human about a small collection of cells that start multiplying. The problem with that argument (which has been the common accepted consensus until recently) is that it has been determined by scientists that the small collection of multiplying cells contains all the DNA of a human being and is certainly living and growing from the moment of fertilization. Nothing religious about it at all. === It's still a philosophical/religious issue. There's nothing human about a clump of DNA even though the potential is there. Trying to pinpoint the exact moment a fetus becomes "human" is a more or less a pointless exercise except for those who are dead set against abortion on religious grounds. Why anyone would want to force a woman to bring an unwanted baby into the world is beyond me. I noted, upon my return, that you conveniently skipped this: When do you consider a human life to exist? "At the end of the 8th week, the elbows become obvious, the feet, hands and even the fingers maybe distinguishable. The brain cavities are easily seen as large 'holes' in the embryonic head. The heart rate has increased to 160 bpm and the heart covers about 50% of the chest area. In some cases, it is possible to recognize the fluid-filled stomach below the heart at the end of week 8." Look at the 8 weeks scan. Is that just a 'collection of cells'? http://baby2see.com/development/ultr...ans.html#week8 Yet that's pretty early in the pregnancy. === Why anyone would want to force a woman to bring an unwanted baby into the world is beyond me, particularly a woman who had been raped, subject to incest, a pre-teen, etc. You didn't answer my questions! === Answer my question and I might answer yours. |
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On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 17:19:44 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:56:15 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 13:00:07 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 12:37:20 -0400, John H. wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 09:04:35 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 01:15:17 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/26/2015 7:52 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 19:40:19 -0400, John H. wrote: Nothing religious about it. It is life. It is human. === That's ridiculous. There's nothing human about a small collection of cells that start multiplying. The problem with that argument (which has been the common accepted consensus until recently) is that it has been determined by scientists that the small collection of multiplying cells contains all the DNA of a human being and is certainly living and growing from the moment of fertilization. Nothing religious about it at all. === It's still a philosophical/religious issue. There's nothing human about a clump of DNA even though the potential is there. Trying to pinpoint the exact moment a fetus becomes "human" is a more or less a pointless exercise except for those who are dead set against abortion on religious grounds. Why anyone would want to force a woman to bring an unwanted baby into the world is beyond me. I noted, upon my return, that you conveniently skipped this: When do you consider a human life to exist? "At the end of the 8th week, the elbows become obvious, the feet, hands and even the fingers maybe distinguishable. The brain cavities are easily seen as large 'holes' in the embryonic head. The heart rate has increased to 160 bpm and the heart covers about 50% of the chest area. In some cases, it is possible to recognize the fluid-filled stomach below the heart at the end of week 8." Look at the 8 weeks scan. Is that just a 'collection of cells'? http://baby2see.com/development/ultr...ans.html#week8 Yet that's pretty early in the pregnancy. === Why anyone would want to force a woman to bring an unwanted baby into the world is beyond me, particularly a woman who had been raped, subject to incest, a pre-teen, etc. You didn't answer my questions! === Answer my question and I might answer yours. What question? -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 13:17:11 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 17:19:44 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:56:15 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 13:00:07 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 12:37:20 -0400, John H. wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 09:04:35 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 01:15:17 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/26/2015 7:52 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 19:40:19 -0400, John H. wrote: Nothing religious about it. It is life. It is human. === That's ridiculous. There's nothing human about a small collection of cells that start multiplying. The problem with that argument (which has been the common accepted consensus until recently) is that it has been determined by scientists that the small collection of multiplying cells contains all the DNA of a human being and is certainly living and growing from the moment of fertilization. Nothing religious about it at all. === It's still a philosophical/religious issue. There's nothing human about a clump of DNA even though the potential is there. Trying to pinpoint the exact moment a fetus becomes "human" is a more or less a pointless exercise except for those who are dead set against abortion on religious grounds. Why anyone would want to force a woman to bring an unwanted baby into the world is beyond me. I noted, upon my return, that you conveniently skipped this: When do you consider a human life to exist? "At the end of the 8th week, the elbows become obvious, the feet, hands and even the fingers maybe distinguishable. The brain cavities are easily seen as large 'holes' in the embryonic head. The heart rate has increased to 160 bpm and the heart covers about 50% of the chest area. In some cases, it is possible to recognize the fluid-filled stomach below the heart at the end of week 8." Look at the 8 weeks scan. Is that just a 'collection of cells'? http://baby2see.com/development/ultr...ans.html#week8 Yet that's pretty early in the pregnancy. === Why anyone would want to force a woman to bring an unwanted baby into the world is beyond me, particularly a woman who had been raped, subject to incest, a pre-teen, etc. You didn't answer my questions! === Answer my question and I might answer yours. What question? === Why would anyone want to force a woman to bring an unwanted baby into the world, particularly a woman who had been raped, subject to incest, a pre-teen, etc.? You seem to be very worried about the life of an unborn clump of cells for some reason, why not a little concern for the woman and the unwanted child? |
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On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 14:29:59 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 13:17:11 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 17:19:44 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:56:15 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 13:00:07 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 12:37:20 -0400, John H. wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 09:04:35 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 01:15:17 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/26/2015 7:52 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 19:40:19 -0400, John H. wrote: Nothing religious about it. It is life. It is human. === That's ridiculous. There's nothing human about a small collection of cells that start multiplying. The problem with that argument (which has been the common accepted consensus until recently) is that it has been determined by scientists that the small collection of multiplying cells contains all the DNA of a human being and is certainly living and growing from the moment of fertilization. Nothing religious about it at all. === It's still a philosophical/religious issue. There's nothing human about a clump of DNA even though the potential is there. Trying to pinpoint the exact moment a fetus becomes "human" is a more or less a pointless exercise except for those who are dead set against abortion on religious grounds. Why anyone would want to force a woman to bring an unwanted baby into the world is beyond me. I noted, upon my return, that you conveniently skipped this: When do you consider a human life to exist? "At the end of the 8th week, the elbows become obvious, the feet, hands and even the fingers maybe distinguishable. The brain cavities are easily seen as large 'holes' in the embryonic head. The heart rate has increased to 160 bpm and the heart covers about 50% of the chest area. In some cases, it is possible to recognize the fluid-filled stomach below the heart at the end of week 8." Look at the 8 weeks scan. Is that just a 'collection of cells'? http://baby2see.com/development/ultr...ans.html#week8 Yet that's pretty early in the pregnancy. === Why anyone would want to force a woman to bring an unwanted baby into the world is beyond me, particularly a woman who had been raped, subject to incest, a pre-teen, etc. You didn't answer my questions! === Answer my question and I might answer yours. What question? === Why would anyone want to force a woman to bring an unwanted baby into the world, particularly a woman who had been raped, subject to incest, a pre-teen, etc.? No one *wants* unwanted babies to be born, regardless of the cause. The morning after pill should be readily available to any woman who asks, in my opinion. You seem to be very worried about the life of an unborn clump of cells for some reason, why not a little concern for the woman and the unwanted child? Again, look at the 8 weeks scan. Is that just a 'clump of cells'? http://baby2see.com/development/ultr...ans.html#week8 And that's pretty early in the pregnancy. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 15:16:57 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 14:29:59 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 13:17:11 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 17:19:44 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:56:15 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 13:00:07 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 12:37:20 -0400, John H. wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 09:04:35 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 01:15:17 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/26/2015 7:52 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 19:40:19 -0400, John H. wrote: Nothing religious about it. It is life. It is human. === That's ridiculous. There's nothing human about a small collection of cells that start multiplying. The problem with that argument (which has been the common accepted consensus until recently) is that it has been determined by scientists that the small collection of multiplying cells contains all the DNA of a human being and is certainly living and growing from the moment of fertilization. Nothing religious about it at all. === It's still a philosophical/religious issue. There's nothing human about a clump of DNA even though the potential is there. Trying to pinpoint the exact moment a fetus becomes "human" is a more or less a pointless exercise except for those who are dead set against abortion on religious grounds. Why anyone would want to force a woman to bring an unwanted baby into the world is beyond me. I noted, upon my return, that you conveniently skipped this: When do you consider a human life to exist? "At the end of the 8th week, the elbows become obvious, the feet, hands and even the fingers maybe distinguishable. The brain cavities are easily seen as large 'holes' in the embryonic head. The heart rate has increased to 160 bpm and the heart covers about 50% of the chest area. In some cases, it is possible to recognize the fluid-filled stomach below the heart at the end of week 8." Look at the 8 weeks scan. Is that just a 'collection of cells'? http://baby2see.com/development/ultr...ans.html#week8 Yet that's pretty early in the pregnancy. === Why anyone would want to force a woman to bring an unwanted baby into the world is beyond me, particularly a woman who had been raped, subject to incest, a pre-teen, etc. You didn't answer my questions! === Answer my question and I might answer yours. What question? === Why would anyone want to force a woman to bring an unwanted baby into the world, particularly a woman who had been raped, subject to incest, a pre-teen, etc.? No one *wants* unwanted babies to be born, regardless of the cause. The morning after pill should be readily available to any woman who asks, in my opinion. You seem to be very worried about the life of an unborn clump of cells for some reason, why not a little concern for the woman and the unwanted child? Again, look at the 8 weeks scan. Is that just a 'clump of cells'? http://baby2see.com/development/ultr...ans.html#week8 And that's pretty early in the pregnancy. No problem, we can just wait until they have committed a few dozen felonies and we can kill them then. |
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On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 15:16:57 -0400, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 14:29:59 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 13:17:11 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 17:19:44 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:56:15 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 13:00:07 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 12:37:20 -0400, John H. wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 09:04:35 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 01:15:17 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/26/2015 7:52 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 19:40:19 -0400, John H. wrote: Nothing religious about it. It is life. It is human. === That's ridiculous. There's nothing human about a small collection of cells that start multiplying. The problem with that argument (which has been the common accepted consensus until recently) is that it has been determined by scientists that the small collection of multiplying cells contains all the DNA of a human being and is certainly living and growing from the moment of fertilization. Nothing religious about it at all. === It's still a philosophical/religious issue. There's nothing human about a clump of DNA even though the potential is there. Trying to pinpoint the exact moment a fetus becomes "human" is a more or less a pointless exercise except for those who are dead set against abortion on religious grounds. Why anyone would want to force a woman to bring an unwanted baby into the world is beyond me. I noted, upon my return, that you conveniently skipped this: When do you consider a human life to exist? "At the end of the 8th week, the elbows become obvious, the feet, hands and even the fingers maybe distinguishable. The brain cavities are easily seen as large 'holes' in the embryonic head. The heart rate has increased to 160 bpm and the heart covers about 50% of the chest area. In some cases, it is possible to recognize the fluid-filled stomach below the heart at the end of week 8." Look at the 8 weeks scan. Is that just a 'collection of cells'? http://baby2see.com/development/ultr...ans.html#week8 Yet that's pretty early in the pregnancy. === Why anyone would want to force a woman to bring an unwanted baby into the world is beyond me, particularly a woman who had been raped, subject to incest, a pre-teen, etc. You didn't answer my questions! === Answer my question and I might answer yours. What question? === Why would anyone want to force a woman to bring an unwanted baby into the world, particularly a woman who had been raped, subject to incest, a pre-teen, etc.? No one *wants* unwanted babies to be born, regardless of the cause. The morning after pill should be readily available to any woman who asks, in my opinion. You seem to be very worried about the life of an unborn clump of cells for some reason, why not a little concern for the woman and the unwanted child? Again, look at the 8 weeks scan. Is that just a 'clump of cells'? http://baby2see.com/development/ultr...ans.html#week8 And that's pretty early in the pregnancy. ~~crickets~~ -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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