On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 16:29:44 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 16:12:57 -0400, John H.
wrote:



For one thing we can try to make their access to firearms more difficult.


Or make the punishment for illegal guns more severe - say five years, as a federal
offense. If the guns are used in a crime, an automatic ten years added to the
sentence.

Florida already has that law.
10, 20, Life

Miami doesn't make the news nearly as much as Chicago. Now if they'd make it a
federal crime, maybe even more folks would think twice about carry illegal guns.
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Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 16:37:05 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 16:21:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's a choice, as is stopping.



Thank you. Not many agree.


Not many who actually know any addicts anyway.

BTW These guys have pretty good credentials
http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/addiction/genes/

NIH (long URL)
http://tinyurl.com/nts844q

https://ncadd.org/for-parents-overvi...y-and-genetics

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16251987

The list of credible sources goes on for pages.

To deny this puts you in the same category as those who say being gay
is "just a choice" and you can rehab them out of it.

So?

:)
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Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

On 7/6/2015 4:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 16:21:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's a choice, as is stopping.



Thank you. Not many agree.


Not many who actually know any addicts anyway.

BTW These guys have pretty good credentials
http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/addiction/genes/

NIH (long URL)
http://tinyurl.com/nts844q

https://ncadd.org/for-parents-overvi...y-and-genetics

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16251987

The list of credible sources goes on for pages.

To deny this puts you in the same category as those who say being gay
is "just a choice" and you can rehab them out of it.



Don't interject being gay as evidence of your "gene" pass down argument.
There is still no *medical* evidence that drug addiction or alcoholism
is hereditary. They are certainly influenced by nurture but that makes
it a choice.

On 7/6/2015 5:40 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 16:48:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 7/6/2015 4:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 16:21:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's a choice, as is stopping.



Thank you. Not many agree.


Not many who actually know any addicts anyway.

BTW These guys have pretty good credentials
http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/addiction/genes/

NIH (long URL)
http://tinyurl.com/nts844q

https://ncadd.org/for-parents-overvi...y-and-genetics

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16251987

The list of credible sources goes on for pages.

To deny this puts you in the same category as those who say being gay
is "just a choice" and you can rehab them out of it.



Don't interject being gay as evidence of your "gene" pass down argument.
There is still no *medical* evidence that drug addiction or alcoholism
is hereditary. They are certainly influenced by nurture but that makes
it a choice.




I only mention gay because it is in the news these days and the same
arguments you are making, are made about gay people.

We are really just scratching the surface of the human genome and I
think there are a lot of things buried in there that predispose us to
lots of things good or bad.
60 minutes just did a show yesterday about how they are doing gene
screening for a number of diseases and conditions in vitro.
I have $100 here that says in a year or two they will be identifying
the markers that indicate addictive personalities.



When science proves a connection of genes and addiction I will humbly
admit that I was wrong. But they haven't. What *has* happened is the
development and growth of a multi-billion dollar industry treating a
"disease" that doesn't exist.