On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 18:42:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I'm not arguing to do nothing. I'm arguing to focus on the damn problem. You and I
aren't the problem. The hoods and druggies in the inner cities are the problem. What
do you suggest be done about them?



For one thing we can try to make their access to firearms more difficult.

===

Here's a modest proposal. Since we all agree that people are killing
each other over drugs and drug money, why not decriminalize all drug
use and drug possession. Then take it a step further by supplying
registered drug users with all the drugs they want. Some European
countries have adopted a similar model and they don't have the
problems that we do. Sure, a certain number of people will OD or
otherwise become unproductive but most of them are already
unproductive. Education and good parenting should be sufficient to
keep proliferation under control.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 18:42:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I'm not arguing to do nothing. I'm arguing to focus on the damn problem. You and I
aren't the problem. The hoods and druggies in the inner cities are the problem. What
do you suggest be done about them?



For one thing we can try to make their access to firearms more difficult.

===

Here's a modest proposal. Since we all agree that people are killing
each other over drugs and drug money, why not decriminalize all drug
use and drug possession. Then take it a step further by supplying
registered drug users with all the drugs they want. Some European
countries have adopted a similar model and they don't have the
problems that we do. Sure, a certain number of people will OD or
otherwise become unproductive but most of them are already
unproductive. Education and good parenting should be sufficient to
keep proliferation under control.

Require birth control substance be added to all drugs. Cut down on unwed
births, and if a druggie, should not be having kids.

On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 23:26:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 18:42:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I'm not arguing to do nothing. I'm arguing to focus on the damn problem. You and I
aren't the problem. The hoods and druggies in the inner cities are the problem. What
do you suggest be done about them?



For one thing we can try to make their access to firearms more difficult.

===

Here's a modest proposal. Since we all agree that people are killing
each other over drugs and drug money, why not decriminalize all drug
use and drug possession. Then take it a step further by supplying
registered drug users with all the drugs they want. Some European
countries have adopted a similar model and they don't have the
problems that we do. Sure, a certain number of people will OD or
otherwise become unproductive but most of them are already
unproductive. Education and good parenting should be sufficient to
keep proliferation under control.

===

crickets

Why is that? How better else to eliminate all drug crimes?

On 7/4/2015 10:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 23:26:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 18:42:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I'm not arguing to do nothing. I'm arguing to focus on the damn problem. You and I
aren't the problem. The hoods and druggies in the inner cities are the problem. What
do you suggest be done about them?



For one thing we can try to make their access to firearms more difficult.

===

Here's a modest proposal. Since we all agree that people are killing
each other over drugs and drug money, why not decriminalize all drug
use and drug possession. Then take it a step further by supplying
registered drug users with all the drugs they want. Some European
countries have adopted a similar model and they don't have the
problems that we do. Sure, a certain number of people will OD or
otherwise become unproductive but most of them are already
unproductive. Education and good parenting should be sufficient to
keep proliferation under control.

===

crickets

Why is that? How better else to eliminate all drug crimes?


Let's legalize and encourage everything that is illegal, immoral, or
fattening. ;-)

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:33:02 -0400, Justan Olphat
wrote:

On 7/4/2015 10:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 23:26:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 18:42:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I'm not arguing to do nothing. I'm arguing to focus on the damn problem. You and I
aren't the problem. The hoods and druggies in the inner cities are the problem. What
do you suggest be done about them?



For one thing we can try to make their access to firearms more difficult.

===

Here's a modest proposal. Since we all agree that people are killing
each other over drugs and drug money, why not decriminalize all drug
use and drug possession. Then take it a step further by supplying
registered drug users with all the drugs they want. Some European
countries have adopted a similar model and they don't have the
problems that we do. Sure, a certain number of people will OD or
otherwise become unproductive but most of them are already
unproductive. Education and good parenting should be sufficient to
keep proliferation under control.

===

crickets

Why is that? How better else to eliminate all drug crimes?


Let's legalize and encourage everything that is illegal, immoral, or
fattening. ;-)

===

I said nothing about "encouraging" in my proposal. Those are your
words. Let's start with talking about hard core heroin, meth or crack
cocaine addicts. They've already been "encouraged" some how or
other, most likely by other junkies trying to hook in prospective
customers. The treatment success rate for these individuals is
abysmally poor. There are few legal ways to raise the money they need
to support their addiction so they frequently turn to crime of one
sort or another, and frequently that crime is selling drugs. Selling
drugs of course is dangerous work, competetive, and fraught with the
possibility for all kinds of violence.

So which is worse in your opinion? Free government supplied drugs of
known purity with no strings attached, or successive generations of
drug addicts turned pushers and street criminals?

We've already got the latter so what is there to lose?

On 7/4/2015 3:33 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:33:02 -0400, Justan Olphat
wrote:

On 7/4/2015 10:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 23:26:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 18:42:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I'm not arguing to do nothing. I'm arguing to focus on the damn problem. You and I
aren't the problem. The hoods and druggies in the inner cities are the problem. What
do you suggest be done about them?



For one thing we can try to make their access to firearms more difficult.

===

Here's a modest proposal. Since we all agree that people are killing
each other over drugs and drug money, why not decriminalize all drug
use and drug possession. Then take it a step further by supplying
registered drug users with all the drugs they want. Some European
countries have adopted a similar model and they don't have the
problems that we do. Sure, a certain number of people will OD or
otherwise become unproductive but most of them are already
unproductive. Education and good parenting should be sufficient to
keep proliferation under control.

===

crickets

Why is that? How better else to eliminate all drug crimes?


Let's legalize and encourage everything that is illegal, immoral, or
fattening. ;-)

===

I said nothing about "encouraging" in my proposal. Those are your
words. Let's start with talking about hard core heroin, meth or crack
cocaine addicts. They've already been "encouraged" some how or
other, most likely by other junkies trying to hook in prospective
customers. The treatment success rate for these individuals is
abysmally poor. There are few legal ways to raise the money they need
to support their addiction so they frequently turn to crime of one
sort or another, and frequently that crime is selling drugs. Selling
drugs of course is dangerous work, competetive, and fraught with the
possibility for all kinds of violence.

So which is worse in your opinion? Free government supplied drugs of
known purity with no strings attached, or successive generations of
drug addicts turned pushers and street criminals?

We've already got the latter so what is there to lose?

I see no benefit to anyone by offering free high quality dope to junkies
unless you consider the likelihood that the freebies would lead to
overdosing en masse.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On Sat, 04 Jul 2015 15:58:01 -0400, Justan Olphat
wrote:

On 7/4/2015 3:33 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:33:02 -0400, Justan Olphat
wrote:

On 7/4/2015 10:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 23:26:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 18:42:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I'm not arguing to do nothing. I'm arguing to focus on the damn problem. You and I
aren't the problem. The hoods and druggies in the inner cities are the problem. What
do you suggest be done about them?



For one thing we can try to make their access to firearms more difficult.

===

Here's a modest proposal. Since we all agree that people are killing
each other over drugs and drug money, why not decriminalize all drug
use and drug possession. Then take it a step further by supplying
registered drug users with all the drugs they want. Some European
countries have adopted a similar model and they don't have the
problems that we do. Sure, a certain number of people will OD or
otherwise become unproductive but most of them are already
unproductive. Education and good parenting should be sufficient to
keep proliferation under control.

===

crickets

Why is that? How better else to eliminate all drug crimes?


Let's legalize and encourage everything that is illegal, immoral, or
fattening. ;-)

===

I said nothing about "encouraging" in my proposal. Those are your
words. Let's start with talking about hard core heroin, meth or crack
cocaine addicts. They've already been "encouraged" some how or
other, most likely by other junkies trying to hook in prospective
customers. The treatment success rate for these individuals is
abysmally poor. There are few legal ways to raise the money they need
to support their addiction so they frequently turn to crime of one
sort or another, and frequently that crime is selling drugs. Selling
drugs of course is dangerous work, competetive, and fraught with the
possibility for all kinds of violence.

So which is worse in your opinion? Free government supplied drugs of
known purity with no strings attached, or successive generations of
drug addicts turned pushers and street criminals?

We've already got the latter so what is there to lose?

I see no benefit to anyone by offering free high quality dope to junkies
unless you consider the likelihood that the freebies would lead to
overdosing en masse.

===

What about the huge reduction in crime and law enforceement expenses?

A happy junkie doesn't go around robbing and assaulting people.

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 8:32:34 AM UTC-7, Justan Olphat wrote:
On 7/4/2015 10:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 23:26:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 18:42:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I'm not arguing to do nothing. I'm arguing to focus on the damn problem. You and I
aren't the problem. The hoods and druggies in the inner cities are the problem. What
do you suggest be done about them?



For one thing we can try to make their access to firearms more difficult.

===

Here's a modest proposal. Since we all agree that people are killing
each other over drugs and drug money, why not decriminalize all drug
use and drug possession. Then take it a step further by supplying
registered drug users with all the drugs they want. Some European
countries have adopted a similar model and they don't have the
problems that we do. Sure, a certain number of people will OD or
otherwise become unproductive but most of them are already
unproductive. Education and good parenting should be sufficient to
keep proliferation under control.

===

crickets

Why is that? How better else to eliminate all drug crimes?


Let's legalize and encourage everything that is illegal, immoral, or
fattening. ;-)

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Aren't we doing that now?

On 7/4/2015 12:00 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:33:02 -0400, Justan Olphat
wrote:

On 7/4/2015 10:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 23:26:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 18:42:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I'm not arguing to do nothing. I'm arguing to focus on the damn problem. You and I
aren't the problem. The hoods and druggies in the inner cities are the problem. What
do you suggest be done about them?



For one thing we can try to make their access to firearms more difficult.

===

Here's a modest proposal. Since we all agree that people are killing
each other over drugs and drug money, why not decriminalize all drug
use and drug possession. Then take it a step further by supplying
registered drug users with all the drugs they want. Some European
countries have adopted a similar model and they don't have the
problems that we do. Sure, a certain number of people will OD or
otherwise become unproductive but most of them are already
unproductive. Education and good parenting should be sufficient to
keep proliferation under control.

===

crickets

Why is that? How better else to eliminate all drug crimes?


Let's legalize and encourage everything that is illegal, immoral, or
fattening. ;-)

Works for me, as long as you are not harming anyone but yourself.


Gun ownership for everyone who wants one except the confirmed people
harmers. Roger that. ;-)

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On Sat, 04 Jul 2015 13:34:40 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 04 Jul 2015 12:30:27 -0400, Justan Olphat
wrote:

On 7/4/2015 12:00 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:33:02 -0400, Justan Olphat
wrote:

On 7/4/2015 10:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 23:26:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 18:42:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I'm not arguing to do nothing. I'm arguing to focus on the damn problem. You and I
aren't the problem. The hoods and druggies in the inner cities are the problem. What
do you suggest be done about them?



For one thing we can try to make their access to firearms more difficult.

===

Here's a modest proposal. Since we all agree that people are killing
each other over drugs and drug money, why not decriminalize all drug
use and drug possession. Then take it a step further by supplying
registered drug users with all the drugs they want. Some European
countries have adopted a similar model and they don't have the
problems that we do. Sure, a certain number of people will OD or
otherwise become unproductive but most of them are already
unproductive. Education and good parenting should be sufficient to
keep proliferation under control.

===

crickets

Why is that? How better else to eliminate all drug crimes?


Let's legalize and encourage everything that is illegal, immoral, or
fattening. ;-)

Works for me, as long as you are not harming anyone but yourself.


Gun ownership for everyone who wants one except the confirmed people
harmers. Roger that. ;-)

In that regard, I take suicide out of the mix and that is easily a
third or more of gun deaths.

This past weekend, Chicago was probably another third.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.