On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:11:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/17/2015 6:29 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 4:37:37 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/17/2015 12:25 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 20:18:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/16/2015 7:54 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/16/15 7:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2015 6:31 PM, wrote:
On Monday, February 16, 2015 at 12:25:26 PM UTC-5, John H. wrote:

The big difference between simulators/real airplanes and RC airplanes
- in sims or
real planes, the nose of the plane is in front of you. With an RC
plane, at least
part of the time, the nose is pointed at you. That means the left and
right controls
are reversed. This, I believe, is what causes the most problems, at
least for me.

Another related difference is that pilots in a real plane has a seat
of the pants, first person view. Not so with RC.

Something that helps newbies to RC is that when the airplane is flying
towards you and the controls are reversed, your can turn your body so
the transmitter is faced the same way as the plane, but look back over
your shoulder at the plane. That way the stick moves to the right,
the plane moves to the right. It's a crutch, but with some more stick
time it'll come naturally.



I don't think there's much at all in common comparing RC flying and
flying a real airplane. Speed scale is totally different. Turns
and maneuvers are not anything close to being realistic to flying an
airplane.

I see it as a fun hobby for many but to compare it to actually flying
an airplane it isn't even close.



What happens when your toy plane crashes? It breaks.
What happens when a real airplane crashes? Death and destruction.





True.

I've seen some large RC planes that appear to be very realistic in
flight, maneuvers, take-offs and landings but the smaller ones I've
seen people flying are way out of scale to anything real. They can
do turns, climbs, etc. that would cause a human pilot to pass out
or worse.

The bigger ones fly slower, maneuver more slowly and look much more
realistic.

The smaller ones, depending on the configuration, can fly slower, maneuver more
slowly and also look very realistic. My Apprentice, with its tremendous wing area,
can stay aloft at little more than a walking speed.

Something like this, on the other hand, requires some speed just to stay aloft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=uN5BD4e55hE

I am not knocking those who enjoy the RC hobby thing. I just don't
think you can come close to comparing it to actual flying.



Why not? Granted, you're not in the airplane, but other than that what's the big
difference?

Well, I've done both. Again I am not knocking your RC hobby but you
really cannot compare the two. Like I suggested in a different post,
go take an introductory flight lesson. Then you can compare for yourself.

So have I. Haven't landed a full scale, but have flown a 150, and been up in a 182, Beechcraft Bonanza (regular and V tail) and Baron, and a Zlin for some aerobatics. A little stick time in most. Funny, the plane reacted pretty much the same to control inputs as any other plane, RC or full scale.

But you were correct in your other post. Full scale is easier to *fly*. All of the procedural stuff and instruments are much more involved, but the mechanics of flight are the *same*. Except RC lacks the seat of the pants and FPV input that full scale pilots enjoy.

You're projecting the arrogance that typical full scale pilots exhibit. The jokes about that are endless! I've also spent lots of time in airport ramp towers, pilots lounges, and major airline OCCs (operational control centers). I know a good bit about that.



I am not trying to project anything. I really don't give a ****. All I
was conveying is some experience with flying versus flying RC model
airplanes. Both you and John have some experience flying an airplane
after takeoff and before landing and think that because the controls
do the same to the full scale as they do on a RC, then RC flying is like
real flying.

There you go, putting words in the mouths of others.



That's where I lose both of you. Flying an airplane
straight and level and maybe making some turns isn't the full scope of
"flying".

Question for you. I ask because I had a hard time with this at first.

When flying an airplane, what controls altitude? What controls speed?
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