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Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
On 2/10/2015 6:58 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/10/15 6:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2015 6:27 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote: On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days. There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed more than it may actually exist. So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal injection gurney? It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term) and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not execute them just like you would anyone else? I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a life? (yes I have been in one in my job) The greatest living expert… …in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell… …because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he has *all* the answers on: * capital punishment * mental illness * physicians and their motivators * snow * prisons and inmates * labor unions * the Middle East * drone warfare * politics This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no* college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill set. Just seek out *The Greg*. You forgot "keeper of the keys" for Windows 95. :-) Ah, yes. Well, as I am not "the expert" in everything, I hope you'll excuse that memory lapse. It is obvious that Greg's primary motivator is $$$. He doesn't give a **** about capital punishment, beyond the fact that handing a murderer a suicide pill is cheaper than housing him for life, that he doesn't give a rat's ass about the Middle East beyond cutting military aid ($$$) to Israel, et cetera. A secondary motivator is to make himself feel better about never getting a college degree by putting down those who did. I would argue that you tend to put too much emphasis on why a degree is required to be qualified in any particular subject or discipline. There are plenty of examples of degree-less, self-taught and educated people who have made major contributions to society (or simply had successful careers in their chosen field of work). There are also many examples of highly educated people holding multiple degrees who are total failures or represent warped views that affect society. I think the problem in a discussion group like rec.boats is how information and opinions are presented. An "IMO" or "I think" before stating a belief takes the edge off of what seems to bother you regarding Greg. He posts his views as if they are certain fact, but most are simply opinions that are viewed differently by others. BTW ... you often post in the same manner, especially when it comes to politics. |
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#53
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Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
On 2/10/15 7:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 6:58 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/10/15 6:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2015 6:27 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote: On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days. There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed more than it may actually exist. So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal injection gurney? It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term) and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not execute them just like you would anyone else? I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a life? (yes I have been in one in my job) The greatest living expert… …in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell… …because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he has *all* the answers on: * capital punishment * mental illness * physicians and their motivators * snow * prisons and inmates * labor unions * the Middle East * drone warfare * politics This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no* college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill set. Just seek out *The Greg*. You forgot "keeper of the keys" for Windows 95. :-) Ah, yes. Well, as I am not "the expert" in everything, I hope you'll excuse that memory lapse. It is obvious that Greg's primary motivator is $$$. He doesn't give a **** about capital punishment, beyond the fact that handing a murderer a suicide pill is cheaper than housing him for life, that he doesn't give a rat's ass about the Middle East beyond cutting military aid ($$$) to Israel, et cetera. A secondary motivator is to make himself feel better about never getting a college degree by putting down those who did. I would argue that you tend to put too much emphasis on why a degree is required to be qualified in any particular subject or discipline. There are plenty of examples of degree-less, self-taught and educated people who have made major contributions to society (or simply had successful careers in their chosen field of work). There are also many examples of highly educated people holding multiple degrees who are total failures or represent warped views that affect society. I think the problem in a discussion group like rec.boats is how information and opinions are presented. An "IMO" or "I think" before stating a belief takes the edge off of what seems to bother you regarding Greg. He posts his views as if they are certain fact, but most are simply opinions that are viewed differently by others. BTW ... you often post in the same manner, especially when it comes to politics. I think Greg is qualified to discuss snow and politics. -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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#54
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Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
On 2/10/2015 7:26 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/10/15 7:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2015 6:58 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/10/15 6:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2015 6:27 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote: On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days. There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed more than it may actually exist. So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal injection gurney? It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term) and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not execute them just like you would anyone else? I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a life? (yes I have been in one in my job) The greatest living expert… …in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell… …because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he has *all* the answers on: * capital punishment * mental illness * physicians and their motivators * snow * prisons and inmates * labor unions * the Middle East * drone warfare * politics This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no* college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill set. Just seek out *The Greg*. You forgot "keeper of the keys" for Windows 95. :-) Ah, yes. Well, as I am not "the expert" in everything, I hope you'll excuse that memory lapse. It is obvious that Greg's primary motivator is $$$. He doesn't give a **** about capital punishment, beyond the fact that handing a murderer a suicide pill is cheaper than housing him for life, that he doesn't give a rat's ass about the Middle East beyond cutting military aid ($$$) to Israel, et cetera. A secondary motivator is to make himself feel better about never getting a college degree by putting down those who did. I would argue that you tend to put too much emphasis on why a degree is required to be qualified in any particular subject or discipline. There are plenty of examples of degree-less, self-taught and educated people who have made major contributions to society (or simply had successful careers in their chosen field of work). There are also many examples of highly educated people holding multiple degrees who are total failures or represent warped views that affect society. I think the problem in a discussion group like rec.boats is how information and opinions are presented. An "IMO" or "I think" before stating a belief takes the edge off of what seems to bother you regarding Greg. He posts his views as if they are certain fact, but most are simply opinions that are viewed differently by others. BTW ... you often post in the same manner, especially when it comes to politics. I think Greg is qualified to discuss snow and politics. I have a hard won degree in engineering with a focus on communication electronics and systems. Greg is far more knowledgeable of past and current electronic communication systems (computers, etc.) than I ever was or will ever be because I never used the formal education in the field I ended up in. I don't even know how to program a DVR although that's mainly because I have no interest in using them. The field I worked in almost 40 years is heavy in physics backed with mechanical and electrical engineering. There is no college level degree program (at least there wasn't when I was still attending school) in the technology I was involved with. A working understanding of the technology requires self education, drawing from other fields of study. |
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#55
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Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:27:36 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote: On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days. There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed more than it may actually exist. So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal injection gurney? It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term) and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not execute them just like you would anyone else? I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a life? (yes I have been in one in my job) The greatest living expert… …in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell… …because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he has *all* the answers on: * capital punishment * mental illness * physicians and their motivators * snow * prisons and inmates * labor unions * the Middle East * drone warfare * politics This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no* college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill set. Just seek out *The Greg*. === In between your sarcasm I detect a touch of envy. It's important to remember that it's not what you've been taught that counts, it's how you use what you know. In that respect I regard you as an educated fool. |
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#56
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Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
On 2/10/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:27:36 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote: On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days. There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed more than it may actually exist. So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal injection gurney? It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term) and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not execute them just like you would anyone else? I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a life? (yes I have been in one in my job) The greatest living expert… …in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell… …because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he has *all* the answers on: * capital punishment * mental illness * physicians and their motivators * snow * prisons and inmates * labor unions * the Middle East * drone warfare * politics This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no* college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill set. Just seek out *The Greg*. === In between your sarcasm I detect a touch of envy. It's important to remember that it's not what you've been taught that counts, it's how you use what you know. In that respect I regard you as an educated fool. Shortly after I left the Navy and was still attending night school while working in the industry I made a career of I was talking to a customer who had a PhD in Physics. We were discussing the system under construction for his company and at one point he asked what school I graduated from. I told him I was still working on my degree requirements. He looked at the system on the shop floor, most of which I had a major role in the design and configuration of, and said, "You don't need a degree". |
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#58
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Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:05:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/10/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:27:36 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote: On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days. There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed more than it may actually exist. So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal injection gurney? It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term) and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not execute them just like you would anyone else? I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a life? (yes I have been in one in my job) The greatest living expert… …in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell… …because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he has *all* the answers on: * capital punishment * mental illness * physicians and their motivators * snow * prisons and inmates * labor unions * the Middle East * drone warfare * politics This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no* college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill set. Just seek out *The Greg*. === In between your sarcasm I detect a touch of envy. It's important to remember that it's not what you've been taught that counts, it's how you use what you know. In that respect I regard you as an educated fool. Shortly after I left the Navy and was still attending night school while working in the industry I made a career of I was talking to a customer who had a PhD in Physics. We were discussing the system under construction for his company and at one point he asked what school I graduated from. I told him I was still working on my degree requirements. He looked at the system on the shop floor, most of which I had a major role in the design and configuration of, and said, "You don't need a degree". Be glad he didn't have a DLS (Doctor Liberalium Studiorum). He would have spent hours telling you how undereducated you really were. -- Guns don't cause problems. The behavior of certain gun owners causes problems. |
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Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 6:27:40 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote: On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days. There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed more than it may actually exist. So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal injection gurney? It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term) and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not execute them just like you would anyone else? I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a life? (yes I have been in one in my job) The greatest living expert... ...in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell... ...because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he has *all* the answers on: * capital punishment * mental illness * physicians and their motivators * snow * prisons and inmates * labor unions * the Middle East * drone warfare * politics This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no* college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill set. Just seek out *The Greg*. -- Proud to be a Liberal. That jealousy just eats you alive, doesn't it Krause. What bothers you is not his 'expertise' in any area, it's the fact that he has some standing within the group. You, on the other hand, are considered a joke within the group, with one or two exceptions. Show us some more pictures of your AR, your ammo, your owls, your Parker-fest, your trip around the Horn, your big Ducati, your Maryland Red barn, etc. That will lend you some authority. Folks will believe you and trust you. |
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#60
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Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
On 2/10/2015 8:25 AM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:05:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/10/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:27:36 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote: On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days. There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed more than it may actually exist. So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal injection gurney? It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term) and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not execute them just like you would anyone else? I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a life? (yes I have been in one in my job) The greatest living expert… …in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell… …because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he has *all* the answers on: * capital punishment * mental illness * physicians and their motivators * snow * prisons and inmates * labor unions * the Middle East * drone warfare * politics This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no* college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill set. Just seek out *The Greg*. === In between your sarcasm I detect a touch of envy. It's important to remember that it's not what you've been taught that counts, it's how you use what you know. In that respect I regard you as an educated fool. Shortly after I left the Navy and was still attending night school while working in the industry I made a career of I was talking to a customer who had a PhD in Physics. We were discussing the system under construction for his company and at one point he asked what school I graduated from. I told him I was still working on my degree requirements. He looked at the system on the shop floor, most of which I had a major role in the design and configuration of, and said, "You don't need a degree". Be glad he didn't have a DLS (Doctor Liberalium Studiorum). He would have spent hours telling you how undereducated you really were. I think we all realize that an "education" comes in many forms and formats, most of it being the gaining of experience. College contributes but certainly isn't all of it. This is where I find Harry being so wrong in much of what he posts on the subject. It seems to him that *the* most important facet of education is degrees and in what. IMO it's obvious to the most oblivious observer that he's misinformed and very shallow in his concept of what makes up an education. I remember having conversations with some salty old Navy CPOs discussing certain individuals at the command and who we would most want to be with in a desperate, life threatening situation. It wasn't the ones with the most formal education who were chosen. It was the ones with the heaviest bucket of experience, tenacity and general knowledge. |
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