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Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
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#33
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Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
On 2/9/2015 11:45 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 08:22:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/9/2015 7:56 AM, wrote: On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 11:23:37 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/8/2015 11:11 PM, wrote: On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days. There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed more than it may actually exist. So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal injection gurney? It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term) and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not execute them just like you would anyone else? I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a life? (yes I have been in one in my job) I have a tough time with the death penalty period. I don't think any person, judge or jury has the moral right to determine who lives and who dies. It's an ultimate and very final decision. Usually, the person who is being subjected to that life or death decision made that same decision for another human being. And they decided death. So why is taking a life in return any less criminal or immoral? I know it's a tough issue and in some cases I could probably be convinced to change my mind. I think I'd favor more of a return to hard labor and minimal, life enhancing privileges. Take away the TV's, the basketball courts, visitation, etc. Let the convicted murderer stew in thought for the rest of his/her life. Why is life in prison any less cruel than simply killing someone? At a certain point there are no privileges left to take and in a maximum security facility there are not really that many to start with. As for hard labor, that is considered a privileged to a maximum security prisoner and it poses a security risk. They are locked in a small cell 23 hours a day with a one hour exercise period where they can walk around in a small compound, usually by themselves. Not a lot of things you can take away from that guy and he has very little to lose if he does get a chance to kill again. Most of the images you see of guys playing basketball and such are in minimum security or medium security places. It is still far from a safe environment. I saw a guy get killed at Charlotte. Scary stuff. Maybe make a cyanide pill available if they decide life isn't worth living anymore. Let *them* make the choice. Why does your heart bleed for these guys? -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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#34
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Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/9/2015 11:34 AM, wrote: On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 07:33:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/9/2015 7:28 AM, Justan Olphart wrote: How about cracking rocks or shoveling snow. Nobody said a lifer's existence should be easy. No TV or entertainment either. ;-) Shoveling Snow! What an outstanding idea! The only problem is they would only be able to shovel snow inside the prison. Even in places where they will let inmates work outside the wire, the number of places they can work are very limited for security reasons and because they are not allowed to compete with "labor". I see lots of prisoners working road details. Seems the south is sensible in that regards. |
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#35
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Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
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On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 08:22:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/9/2015 7:56 AM, wrote: On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 11:23:37 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/8/2015 11:11 PM, wrote: On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days. There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed more than it may actually exist. So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal injection gurney? It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term) and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not execute them just like you would anyone else? I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a life? (yes I have been in one in my job) I have a tough time with the death penalty period. I don't think any person, judge or jury has the moral right to determine who lives and who dies. It's an ultimate and very final decision. Usually, the person who is being subjected to that life or death decision made that same decision for another human being. And they decided death. So why is taking a life in return any less criminal or immoral? I know it's a tough issue and in some cases I could probably be convinced to change my mind. I think I'd favor more of a return to hard labor and minimal, life enhancing privileges. Take away the TV's, the basketball courts, visitation, etc. Let the convicted murderer stew in thought for the rest of his/her life. Why is life in prison any less cruel than simply killing someone? At a certain point there are no privileges left to take and in a maximum security facility there are not really that many to start with. As for hard labor, that is considered a privileged to a maximum security prisoner and it poses a security risk. They are locked in a small cell 23 hours a day with a one hour exercise period where they can walk around in a small compound, usually by themselves. Not a lot of things you can take away from that guy and he has very little to lose if he does get a chance to kill again. Most of the images you see of guys playing basketball and such are in minimum security or medium security places. It is still far from a safe environment. I saw a guy get killed at Charlotte. Scary stuff. Maybe make a cyanide pill available if they decide life isn't worth living anymore. Let *them* make the choice. In California they get yard time, basketball, etc even in Maximum Security lock ups. |
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#36
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Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/9/2015 7:56 AM, wrote: On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 11:23:37 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/8/2015 11:11 PM, wrote: On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days. There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed more than it may actually exist. So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal injection gurney? It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term) and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not execute them just like you would anyone else? I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a life? (yes I have been in one in my job) I have a tough time with the death penalty period. I don't think any person, judge or jury has the moral right to determine who lives and who dies. It's an ultimate and very final decision. Usually, the person who is being subjected to that life or death decision made that same decision for another human being. And they decided death. So why is taking a life in return any less criminal or immoral? I know it's a tough issue and in some cases I could probably be convinced to change my mind. I think I'd favor more of a return to hard labor and minimal, life enhancing privileges. Take away the TV's, the basketball courts, visitation, etc. Let the convicted murderer stew in thought for the rest of his/her life. Maybe make a cyanide pill available if they decide life isn't worth living anymore. Let *them* make the choice. In Japan very little recidivism as the prisoner spends 23 hours a day in their cell and not allowed to talk to other prisoners. I heard in Holland, pretty much the same thing, and the average lifespan of a lifer is 5 years before they opt out.. |
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#37
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Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/9/2015 2:44 AM, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/8/2015 5:52 PM, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/8/2015 2:33 PM, wrote: On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 12:06:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/8/15 11:00 AM, wrote: On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/7/15 11:58 PM, wrote: On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at all. He should be committed. The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being rehabilitated in prison. Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride. How very revealing...execute the mentally ill. Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane? I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line. Cull the herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my position on this. Fortunately, most civilized people disagree. The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity to know it's a crime ... or wrong. OK I'll play. If someone is so mentally damaged that they do not think killing another person is a crime, why would we want them on the planet with us? We certainly do not want them influencing anyone else behavioral or genetically. That logic suggests anyone with a serious physical disability and is dependent on others, including the government, for their welfare should also be "eliminated". Don't need that burden, huh? BTW ... what makes you think mental illness is hereditary? He stated behavioral as well as genetic. And yes, I think genetics can pass on mental illness. Friend is bipolar. His dad was bipolar and committed suicide early on. His daughter is bipolar. And Gregg stated killing someone. Not just being mentally incapacitated. Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days. . So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal injection gurney? Actually as I told the judge on the last murder 1 jury summons I got. I can go either way on the death penalty. We really do not have one now. More likely to die of old age. And I think the last cost estimate to execute someone in this state is in excess of $4.5 million dollars. At least put them away for life. And someone killing someone is not necessarily guilty of an death penalty crime. Lots are. But getting off because you are insane is insane of society. And most are ADD not bi-polar. And my mother in law was definitely bi-,polar. As an aside on bipolar. Lots of bipolar are very functional. Very successful. Richard Branson for one. My aquintance said probably the reason he was rich. Mostly on the high end, and bought and sold numerous companies. As he was always going. Seems all I hear about now-a-days is kids and young people being diagnosed with either depression or being bi-polar. Makes me wonder how many of my (our) generation would have been diagnosed with the same afflictions had the interest in the subjects been as high as it is today. Too many people are living on pills today. There would have been more diagnosed in our youth if the money was there for schools. But I think percentage wise lots more ADD autism than when we were kids. My theory is environmental. All the plastics, growth hormones, antibiotics in our diet now are not real healthy. My daughter is a pediatric therapist and most of her clients are Autistic. And she thinks the guy who stated vaccination is the cause is a criminal in the damage he has caused. |
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#38
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#39
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Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
On 2/9/2015 11:31 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 07:28:05 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/9/2015 4:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2015 12:01 AM, wrote: On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 23:23:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/8/2015 11:11 PM, wrote: On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days. There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed more than it may actually exist. So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal injection gurney? It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term) and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not execute them just like you would anyone else? I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a life? (yes I have been in one in my job) I have a tough time with the death penalty period. I don't think any person, judge or jury has the moral right to determine who lives and who dies. It's an ultimate and very final decision. I think it may have a bad past with poor people not getting a decent defense but that is largely in the past. I still think we need something more than simply warehousing a person for life, if that is also the penalty for a serious drug charge. Once you have sentenced a person to life, what else can you do to them when they kill again? What is the benefit to society in keeping them alive if you have already said they are sentenced to death by prison? You are only creating a more dangerous environment for the other inmates and the correctional officers when these guys know they can't be punished any more, no matter what they do. You make the argument that it's just more "convenient" to execute them. I just don't accept that anyone has the right to terminate a life. Maybe making the prison environment for life sentences less pleasant is an option. Work for food. Work for any type of privileges. Work for the right to have a TV or any form of entertainment. Let the inmate make the decision on how he wants to spend the rest of his life. Stop worrying so much about an inmate's quality of life. Make him accountable for it. How about cracking rocks or shoveling snow. Nobody said a lifer's existence should be easy. No TV or entertainment either. ;-) That has been illegal since the 60s. Laws can be changed. |
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