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On 1/5/15 2:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 16:42:43 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On 4 Jan 2015 20:14:11 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

Califbill wrote:

The phrase "one nation..." had nothing to do with the founding fathers,
the Declaration, or the Constitution. It was shoved into the "pledge"
during the middle of the last century because of right-wing pressure.

Harry, are you just *trying* to promote friction?

Harry is right, I was in the DC public school system when they added
"under god" to the pledge of allegiance. We said that every day, right
before the lord's prayer.


Our grammar school dumped the prayer and the pledge was dumped during
junior high.

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On 1/5/15 2:13 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 06:33:31 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:


Fortunately a growing number of public schools have recognized the
religious *******ization of "the pledge" and have dropped it from
morning student activities. Religious expressionism has no place in the
public schools.

Actually they have dropped the whole pledge. Patriotism is seem as a
bad thing these days.


I don't see any connection between reciting that pledge and patriotism.
Had the pledge been adopted by Congress in 1842 instead of 1942, do you
think its recitation would have kept the Southern states from seceding?

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On 1/5/15 3:29 PM, KC wrote:
On 1/5/2015 12:25 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/5/15 12:21 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 12:15:43 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Ahh, so you are reverting back to the Herring who posts personal
insults. How sad.

===

No one has posted more personal insults to this group than you.

That's not an insult - it's a fact.


It's your choice whether you want to be part of the solution here or
part of the problem. I haven't tossed a *personal* insult at anyone here
in weeks. Neither you, Herring, nor several others can honestly say that.

Have nice day.



Your pleading falls on deaf ears. We have begged you for the very same
consideration for years here, over a decade. Usually when you do
something like this, there is an alternative reason and when that is
done you will revert back to your old self... Good luck though, my bets
are on about three more days tops...

I'm not pleading for anything. I'm simply pointing out that the tone of
this newsgroup is entirely in the hands of its posters.

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On 1/5/2015 6:34 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/5/15 2:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 16:42:43 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On 4 Jan 2015 20:14:11 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

Califbill wrote:

The phrase "one nation..." had nothing to do with the founding
fathers,
the Declaration, or the Constitution. It was shoved into the "pledge"
during the middle of the last century because of right-wing pressure.

Harry, are you just *trying* to promote friction?

Harry is right, I was in the DC public school system when they added
"under god" to the pledge of allegiance. We said that every day, right
before the lord's prayer.


Our grammar school dumped the prayer and the pledge was dumped during
junior high.


I can remember doing both in grammar school. You could tell who were
the Catholics and who were the Protestants because the end of the Lord's
Prayer was different.

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On 1/5/2015 6:34 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/5/15 2:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 16:42:43 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On 4 Jan 2015 20:14:11 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

Califbill wrote:

The phrase "one nation..." had nothing to do with the founding
fathers,
the Declaration, or the Constitution. It was shoved into the "pledge"
during the middle of the last century because of right-wing pressure.

Harry, are you just *trying* to promote friction?

Harry is right, I was in the DC public school system when they added
"under god" to the pledge of allegiance. We said that every day, right
before the lord's prayer.


Our grammar school dumped the prayer and the pledge was dumped during
junior high.

For no reason really either. We never had any problem with kids who
didn't pray, or say the pledge. The stories are just there to suit an
agenda....

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On 1/5/15 3:44 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 14:09:10 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/5/15 2:05 PM, wrote:
On 4 Jan 2015 19:16:09 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 12:42:38 -0500, KC wrote:

On 1/4/2015 12:02 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 10:22:21 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/4/15 1:37 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jan 2015 21:39:05 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

Harry, after reading the article and your responses to various
posts, I jist have to ask- are you shoving anti-religion down people's throats?

Just curious...

Harry is against religion everywhere except Israel where he thinks a
direct connection between church and state is acceptable and it is OK
to impose their religious beliefs on the people living there.


Specious.

Israel was established as a Jewish nation. The United States was not
established as a Christian nation.

I am not against religion. I am against religion/religious beliefs
dictating laws, regulations, what is taught in public schools, et cetera.

I am glad you warned us that your statement was going to be "Specious"
before you started writing it.

If the US is paying $6 Billion a year to prop up the zionists,

Who said we are supporting "Zionists"? Israel is a Nation or a State
isn't it?

It is a church masquerading as a state...

Now that is funny!

The only thing "funny" is watching you atheists justify spending
billions of federal dollars promoting this religious state and then
getting your pantries in a wad if someone wants to put up a nativity
scene at no cost to the government.


One more time:

I am not an atheist.

A distinction without a difference if you carry their political
agenda.


One more time:

This country has a long history of supporting nations with official and
semi-official religions.


I asked for examples, particularly in the last 50 years after the
atheist/agnostic movement became a political force.

The top 5 in military aid are Israel, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and
Egypt.

That in one theocracy and 4 military dictatorships, 2 which are
controlled by the US pentagon (maybe 3 depending on how you score
Egypt)

I would ditch all FIVE.


When you expand that to humanitarian aid you see SE Asia and Africa
represented.
We gave over $4 billion to Vietnam and $3 billion to Turkey, then the
numbers start falling off fast.
.


You asked for examples of nations we have helped *despite* their having
official or semi-official state religions. Your query was not on how
much the aid we give them costs.

Nations where the Muslim religion is official include:

Afghanistan, Algeria (Sunni), Bahrain, Bangladesh, Brunei, Comoros
(Sunni), Egypt, Iran (Shi'a), Iraq, Jordan(Sunni), Kuwait, Libya,
Malaysia (Sunni), Maldives, Mauritania (Sunni), Morocco, Oman, Pakistan
(Sunni), Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia (Sunni), Tunisia, United Arab
Emirates, and Yemen.

Have we helped any of those nations? :)

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On 1/5/15 6:41 PM, KC wrote:
On 1/5/2015 6:34 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/5/15 2:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 16:42:43 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On 4 Jan 2015 20:14:11 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

Califbill wrote:

The phrase "one nation..." had nothing to do with the founding
fathers,
the Declaration, or the Constitution. It was shoved into the "pledge"
during the middle of the last century because of right-wing pressure.

Harry, are you just *trying* to promote friction?

Harry is right, I was in the DC public school system when they added
"under god" to the pledge of allegiance. We said that every day, right
before the lord's prayer.


Our grammar school dumped the prayer and the pledge was dumped during
junior high.

For no reason really either. We never had any problem with kids who
didn't pray, or say the pledge. The stories are just there to suit an
agenda....


The reason, as later affirmed by the U.S. Supreme Court, is that school
prayer violates the Constitution.

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On 1/5/15 8:13 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 18:39:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/5/2015 6:34 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/5/15 2:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 16:42:43 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On 4 Jan 2015 20:14:11 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

Califbill wrote:

The phrase "one nation..." had nothing to do with the founding
fathers,
the Declaration, or the Constitution. It was shoved into the "pledge"
during the middle of the last century because of right-wing pressure.

Harry, are you just *trying* to promote friction?

Harry is right, I was in the DC public school system when they added
"under god" to the pledge of allegiance. We said that every day, right
before the lord's prayer.


Our grammar school dumped the prayer and the pledge was dumped during
junior high.


I can remember doing both in grammar school. You could tell who were
the Catholics and who were the Protestants because the end of the Lord's
Prayer was different.


The presbyterians were different than the one we learned in school.
(I played baseball for them for a while)


The sponsor of our Little League team was the Greist Manufacturing
Company...they made parts for sewing machines. No prayers.

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On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 12:15:43 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/5/15 8:49 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 19:09:04 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/4/15 4:42 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On 4 Jan 2015 20:14:11 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

Califbill wrote:
Justan Olphart wrote:
On 1/4/2015 10:22 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/4/15 1:37 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jan 2015 21:39:05 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

Harry, after reading the article and your responses to various posts,
I jist have to ask- are you shoving anti-religion down people's throats?

Just curious...

Harry is against religion everywhere except Israel where he thinks a
direct connection between church and state is acceptable and it is OK
to impose their religious beliefs on the people living there.


Specious.

Israel was established as a Jewish nation. The United States was not
established as a Christian nation.

I am not against religion. I am against religion/religious beliefs
dictating laws, regulations, what is taught in public schools, et cetera.

"One nation under God"


But did not say a Christian God. Actually the founders stated there would
not be a State Religion, ala Church of England. Not that there would be
no religious expression.


The phrase "one nation..." had nothing to do with the founding fathers,
the Declaration, or the Constitution. It was shoved into the "pledge"
during the middle of the last century because of right-wing pressure.

Harry, are you just *trying* to promote friction?


Just stating a bit of history. The phrase in question is a perfect
example of how religious conservatives force their view on those who
believe differently.

Again, how many of the religious conservatives here have forced their
view on you? That's about the dozenth time I've asked you that
question, for which you seem not to have sufficient balls to provide
an answer.

Yet you persist with the same excuses for your bull****.

It's not your politics, Krause, it's your behavior.


Ahh, so you are reverting back to the Herring who posts personal
insults. How sad.

What did you find insulting? Are you attempting to show that your
behavior does *not* promote friction - which you seem to desire?

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On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 12:25:47 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/5/15 12:21 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 12:15:43 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Ahh, so you are reverting back to the Herring who posts personal
insults. How sad.

===

No one has posted more personal insults to this group than you.

That's not an insult - it's a fact.


It's your choice whether you want to be part of the solution here or
part of the problem. I haven't tossed a *personal* insult at anyone here
in weeks. Neither you, Herring, nor several others can honestly say that.

Have nice day.


If you call my comment about your politics versus behavior a
*personal* insult, to 'prove' some agenda of yours, then you're
displaying a much, much thinner skin than you actually have.