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On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 12:27:58 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/4/15 12:10 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 12:01:35 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/4/15 11:55 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 21:20:50 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/3/15 8:04 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 19:08:03 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

God is dead.

- Nietzsche

Nietzsche is dead.

- God



Ahh, but *actually existed* and his thoughts and writings are
still significant, and there is no question that his thoughts and
writings were *his* . :)

How do *you* know? Did you meet him or did you just read about him?

Prove, scientifically, that he existed.


That's just silly. :)

Why? There are more people who have claimed they have talked to god
than claim they have talked to, or even seen Nietzsche.

Pretty soon this could evolve into whether there was ever a
Shakespeare or if Francis Bacon wrote it all.



Ah, yes, but the contemporaries of Nietzsche who met him, spoke with
him, and wrote or discussed it with other were not delusional. There is
plenty of scientifically acceptable evidence to support the existence of
Nietzsche. There is no scientifically acceptable evidence to support the
existence of a supreme being, and there is no more evidence to support
modern man's idea of the reality of god then there was for the ancient
Egyptians, Greeks, or Romans. If you believe in god, it is a belief
based on faith alone.

The contemporaries of Jesus who met him, spoke with him, and wrote or
discussed it with other were not delusional. There is plenty of
scientifically acceptable evidence to support the existence of
Jesus.

You have no scientifically acceptable evidence to support the
existence of Nietzsche, and you have no scientific evidence to support
the Nietzsche's idea of reality or his ideas of God.

Is Nietzsche's 'Will to Power' your driving force?



It is possible there was a Jewish prophet who is called Jesus (not his
real name). My comment was about the existence of a supreme being. There
is no evidence Jesus was a supreme being or the son of a supreme being.
He wasn't even considered "divine" until a dying pagan Roman emperor
said he was.


Your comments about the existence of Nietzsche are just silly. :)

But you hold your beliefs in the word of Nietzsche to hold more water
than the word of Jesus.

And you think you're the enlightened one.


Nietzche's words were his own.

The words attributed to Jesus were written down by others and edited and
amended to suit those attending the First Council of Nicaea, during
which mortal men *decided* Jesus was divine. A college roommate who
became a priest taught me this.

Well, college roommates are omniscient, you know.

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Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 12:27:58 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/4/15 12:10 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 12:01:35 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/4/15 11:55 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 21:20:50 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/3/15 8:04 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 19:08:03 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

God is dead.

- Nietzsche

Nietzsche is dead.

- God



Ahh, but *actually existed* and his thoughts and writings are
still significant, and there is no question that his thoughts and
writings were *his* . :)

How do *you* know? Did you meet him or did you just read about him?

Prove, scientifically, that he existed.


That's just silly. :)

Why? There are more people who have claimed they have talked to god
than claim they have talked to, or even seen Nietzsche.

Pretty soon this could evolve into whether there was ever a
Shakespeare or if Francis Bacon wrote it all.



Ah, yes, but the contemporaries of Nietzsche who met him, spoke with
him, and wrote or discussed it with other were not delusional. There is
plenty of scientifically acceptable evidence to support the existence of
Nietzsche. There is no scientifically acceptable evidence to support the
existence of a supreme being, and there is no more evidence to support
modern man's idea of the reality of god then there was for the ancient
Egyptians, Greeks, or Romans. If you believe in god, it is a belief
based on faith alone.

The contemporaries of Jesus who met him, spoke with him, and wrote or
discussed it with other were not delusional. There is plenty of
scientifically acceptable evidence to support the existence of
Jesus.

You have no scientifically acceptable evidence to support the
existence of Nietzsche, and you have no scientific evidence to support
the Nietzsche's idea of reality or his ideas of God.

Is Nietzsche's 'Will to Power' your driving force?



It is possible there was a Jewish prophet who is called Jesus (not his
real name). My comment was about the existence of a supreme being. There
is no evidence Jesus was a supreme being or the son of a supreme being.
He wasn't even considered "divine" until a dying pagan Roman emperor
said he was.


Your comments about the existence of Nietzsche are just silly. :)

But you hold your beliefs in the word of Nietzsche to hold more water
than the word of Jesus.

And you think you're the enlightened one.


Nietzche's words were his own.

The words attributed to Jesus were written down by others and edited and
amended to suit those attending the First Council of Nicaea, during
which mortal men *decided* Jesus was divine. A college roommate who
became a priest taught me this.

Well, college roommates are omniscient, you know.

The Council of Nicaea and what it did is well documented.
--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

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On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 12:11:51 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/4/15 12:02 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 10:22:21 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/4/15 1:37 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jan 2015 21:39:05 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

Harry, after reading the article and your responses to various posts, I jist have to ask- are you shoving anti-religion down people's throats?

Just curious...

Harry is against religion everywhere except Israel where he thinks a
direct connection between church and state is acceptable and it is OK
to impose their religious beliefs on the people living there.


Specious.

Israel was established as a Jewish nation. The United States was not
established as a Christian nation.

I am not against religion. I am against religion/religious beliefs
dictating laws, regulations, what is taught in public schools, et cetera.

I am glad you warned us that your statement was going to be "Specious"
before you started writing it.

If the US is paying $6 Billion a year to prop up the zionists, we are
establishing religion with our tax dollars. Why is that not a problem
for you?
I guarantee that if there was an evangelical group, funded by the US
tax payer, taking over a country, promoting christianity at the point
of a gun, you would be outraged.



Even more specious. We have for many generations assisted, propped up,
and rescued nations around the globe with official state religions.

A bit of innapropriate perseverating with a new word?

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On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 12:42:38 -0500, KC wrote:

On 1/4/2015 12:02 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 10:22:21 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/4/15 1:37 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jan 2015 21:39:05 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

Harry, after reading the article and your responses to various posts, I jist have to ask- are you shoving anti-religion down people's throats?

Just curious...

Harry is against religion everywhere except Israel where he thinks a
direct connection between church and state is acceptable and it is OK
to impose their religious beliefs on the people living there.


Specious.

Israel was established as a Jewish nation. The United States was not
established as a Christian nation.

I am not against religion. I am against religion/religious beliefs
dictating laws, regulations, what is taught in public schools, et cetera.

I am glad you warned us that your statement was going to be "Specious"
before you started writing it.

If the US is paying $6 Billion a year to prop up the zionists,

Who said we are supporting "Zionists"? Israel is a Nation or a State
isn't it?
we are
establishing religion with our tax dollars. Why is that not a problem
for you?
I guarantee that if there was an evangelical group, funded by the US
tax payer, taking over a country, promoting christianity at the point
of a gun, you would be outraged.


Harry proclaimed Israel to be a Jewish nation.

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On 1/4/2015 1:49 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 12:42:38 -0500, KC wrote:

On 1/4/2015 12:02 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 10:22:21 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/4/15 1:37 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jan 2015 21:39:05 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

Harry, after reading the article and your responses to various posts, I jist have to ask- are you shoving anti-religion down people's throats?

Just curious...

Harry is against religion everywhere except Israel where he thinks a
direct connection between church and state is acceptable and it is OK
to impose their religious beliefs on the people living there.


Specious.

Israel was established as a Jewish nation. The United States was not
established as a Christian nation.

I am not against religion. I am against religion/religious beliefs
dictating laws, regulations, what is taught in public schools, et cetera.

I am glad you warned us that your statement was going to be "Specious"
before you started writing it.

If the US is paying $6 Billion a year to prop up the zionists,

Who said we are supporting "Zionists"? Israel is a Nation or a State
isn't it?

It is a church masquerading as a state,

Interesting opinion.


similar to the Vatican except
the Vatican is not expanding it's borders throughout Italy with
military force. (using US tax dollars to do it)

we are
establishing religion with our tax dollars. Why is that not a problem
for you?
I guarantee that if there was an evangelical group, funded by the US
tax payer, taking over a country, promoting christianity at the point
of a gun, you would be outraged.

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wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 12:42:38 -0500, KC wrote:

On 1/4/2015 12:02 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 10:22:21 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/4/15 1:37 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jan 2015 21:39:05 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

Harry, after reading the article and your responses to various
posts, I jist have to ask- are you shoving anti-religion down people's throats?

Just curious...

Harry is against religion everywhere except Israel where he thinks a
direct connection between church and state is acceptable and it is OK
to impose their religious beliefs on the people living there.


Specious.

Israel was established as a Jewish nation. The United States was not
established as a Christian nation.

I am not against religion. I am against religion/religious beliefs
dictating laws, regulations, what is taught in public schools, et cetera.

I am glad you warned us that your statement was going to be "Specious"
before you started writing it.

If the US is paying $6 Billion a year to prop up the zionists,

Who said we are supporting "Zionists"? Israel is a Nation or a State
isn't it?

It is a church masquerading as a state...

Now that is funny!
--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

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Justan Olphart wrote:
On 1/4/2015 10:22 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/4/15 1:37 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jan 2015 21:39:05 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

Harry, after reading the article and your responses to various posts,
I jist have to ask- are you shoving anti-religion down people's throats?

Just curious...

Harry is against religion everywhere except Israel where he thinks a
direct connection between church and state is acceptable and it is OK
to impose their religious beliefs on the people living there.


Specious.

Israel was established as a Jewish nation. The United States was not
established as a Christian nation.

I am not against religion. I am against religion/religious beliefs
dictating laws, regulations, what is taught in public schools, et cetera.

"One nation under God"


But did not say a Christian God. Actually the founders stated there would
not be a State Religion, ala Church of England. Not that there would be
no religious expression.

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Califbill wrote:
Justan Olphart wrote:
On 1/4/2015 10:22 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/4/15 1:37 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jan 2015 21:39:05 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

Harry, after reading the article and your responses to various posts,
I jist have to ask- are you shoving anti-religion down people's throats?

Just curious...

Harry is against religion everywhere except Israel where he thinks a
direct connection between church and state is acceptable and it is OK
to impose their religious beliefs on the people living there.


Specious.

Israel was established as a Jewish nation. The United States was not
established as a Christian nation.

I am not against religion. I am against religion/religious beliefs
dictating laws, regulations, what is taught in public schools, et cetera.

"One nation under God"


But did not say a Christian God. Actually the founders stated there would
not be a State Religion, ala Church of England. Not that there would be
no religious expression.


The phrase "one nation..." had nothing to do with the founding fathers,
the Declaration, or the Constitution. It was shoved into the "pledge"
during the middle of the last century because of right-wing pressure.
--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

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On 4 Jan 2015 20:14:11 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

Califbill wrote:
Justan Olphart wrote:
On 1/4/2015 10:22 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/4/15 1:37 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jan 2015 21:39:05 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

Harry, after reading the article and your responses to various posts,
I jist have to ask- are you shoving anti-religion down people's throats?

Just curious...

Harry is against religion everywhere except Israel where he thinks a
direct connection between church and state is acceptable and it is OK
to impose their religious beliefs on the people living there.


Specious.

Israel was established as a Jewish nation. The United States was not
established as a Christian nation.

I am not against religion. I am against religion/religious beliefs
dictating laws, regulations, what is taught in public schools, et cetera.

"One nation under God"


But did not say a Christian God. Actually the founders stated there would
not be a State Religion, ala Church of England. Not that there would be
no religious expression.


The phrase "one nation..." had nothing to do with the founding fathers,
the Declaration, or the Constitution. It was shoved into the "pledge"
during the middle of the last century because of right-wing pressure.

Harry, are you just *trying* to promote friction?

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On Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:17:01 AM UTC-8, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/4/15 12:39 AM, Tim wrote:
Harry, after reading the article and your responses to various posts, I jist have to ask- are you shoving anti-religion down people's throats?

Just curious...


No, Tim. I have no plans to go knocking on doors and asking people if
they've found agnosticism, nor do I have any interest in politicians or
legislation outlawing religion or what beliefs people practice in their
homes, places of worship or religious schools. In return, I'd like
similar courtesies from the religious.

How lazy of your, Krause. Of course you wouldn't dare walk door-to-door to spew your hate of religion, (That involves work!) when you can do so on a computer from the comfort of your...dwelling[?]