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Thank you, Richard!!!
On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:15:43 -0800, jps wrote:
The government already knows everything they need to. Them knowing whether you own a gun isn't going to make any difference if they decide the constitution is obsolete. === What you apparently fail to appreciate is that the government is abrogating the constitution slowly, inches at a time, and always with seemingly good intentions. |
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Thank you, Richard!!!
On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 23:05:28 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:15:43 -0800, jps wrote: The government already knows everything they need to. Them knowing whether you own a gun isn't going to make any difference if they decide the constitution is obsolete. === What you apparently fail to appreciate is that the government is abrogating the constitution slowly, inches at a time, and always with seemingly good intentions. Or political intentions. How about Congress being too ****ing scared to debate and declare war against ISIS? They were more interested in golf and cavorting with their wealthy donors. Hmmm, where have I heard that complaint before? |
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Thank you, Richard!!!
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Thank you, Richard!!!
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 01:24:55 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 21:16:36 -0800, jps wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 21:47:01 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:15:43 -0800, jps wrote: I really don't understand how people can be so obstinate about common sense gun control Because common criminals don't pay much attention to common sense. These proposals are not going to do anything but create a new bureaucracy that doesn't really accomplish anything. Yes, just like seat belts and all those bureaucrats who manage OSHA and Product Safety agencies. Bloody waste of money and effort, eh? Bad examples. Certainly we have a seat belt law and thousands of pages of OSHA regulations but both are universally ignored. Making the rules tighter and increasing the PPE required, does not help much for the people who refuse to wear it. Bullcrap. Seatbelts are universally accepted and between those and other legislation, have reduced vehicular deaths in accident by 1/3. Imagine reducing annual death by gun by 1/3. Is that folly? |
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Thank you, Richard!!!
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Thank you, Richard!!!
jps wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 01:24:55 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 21:16:36 -0800, jps wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 21:47:01 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:15:43 -0800, jps wrote: I really don't understand how people can be so obstinate about common sense gun control Because common criminals don't pay much attention to common sense. These proposals are not going to do anything but create a new bureaucracy that doesn't really accomplish anything. Yes, just like seat belts and all those bureaucrats who manage OSHA and Product Safety agencies. Bloody waste of money and effort, eh? Bad examples. Certainly we have a seat belt law and thousands of pages of OSHA regulations but both are universally ignored. Making the rules tighter and increasing the PPE required, does not help much for the people who refuse to wear it. Bullcrap. Seatbelts are universally accepted and between those and other legislation, have reduced vehicular deaths in accident by 1/3. Imagine reducing annual death by gun by 1/3. Is that folly? How about when you have two government agencies with regulations diametrically opposed? When both will sue you for non compliance. |
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Thank you, Richard!!!
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 01:31:38 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 21:22:50 -0800, jps wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 21:43:46 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 12:40:01 -0800, jps wrote: Thank you for stepping out and making your thoughts known about gun control. You make a reasoned argument for common sense law. You didn't notice that his argument was based on a CNN show that demonstrated that if you tried, you could find someone to break the law. Would 2 laws have stopped them? Three? If someone wants to break the law, there's little stopping them. Please cite one law on the books that prevents a determined person from breaking it. Holy crap. Where do you come up with these empty arguments? NRA pamphlet? Laws are meant to let people know where the line is. If they cross it, they're liable to be prosecuted and put in jail or fined silly. How would prosecuting someone for lying on a background check or failing to sell a gun through a proper process be any different than any other law? Come on, try to field a real argument, please. I am simply saying, the justification Richard was trying to make was the "gun show loophole" but the loophole did not exist in the cases he was citing. Every gun they bought was already illegal under both state and federal law. Then they broke another federal law when they crossed state lines with them. Does anyone believe one more law would stop them? It is like showing someone buying crack on the street and saying we need another drug law. In Washington, we just passed a referendum that requires all gun buyers to go through a background check, gun show or private sale. It will prevent people ignoring the law when they see a few idiots prosecuted for selling a gun illegally, either through straw purchase or ignoring the background check. Laws and education can incrementally stem the flow, little by little. Same as we've cut into the death rate from auto accidents. It's a fair comparison. |
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