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On 9/3/14 3:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/3/2014 3:11 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 2:49 PM, KC wrote: On 9/3/2014 12:57 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:42:29 -0500, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It was a response to your "Well, that might be the answer you mustered out old military farts want,but it sure as hell hasn't worked so far, has it?" comment. Yes, it has worked. Our policies may be flawed but the military has done everything asked of it and more. Off the subject, but I often reflect on my military time and compare it to my career as a civilian. My experiences are somewhat unique (I think) in the respect that I was military for the first 11 years of my adult life before ditching the uniform for a suit and tie in a civilian career that eventually included owning and running a small company consisting of about 100 people. Contrary to what you may think, the US military is incredibly efficient. The schools, equipment and methodology used to train people with no previously acquired skills or formal education still amazes me. Unlike the civilian world there are no office politics, no special privileges to a select few. It is a true, equal opportunity employer with "opportunity" underscored. I've said many times that I received more in knowledge, education and experience than I gave in return during the 9 years of active duty and 2 years in the reserves. Most of our failures regards the military and perceived failures are more likely to be followed back to some liberal arts grad, who went in to politics. And told the military what to do do and micro managed the military. How many of LBJ and his advisors were not liberal arts grads? Yeah Harry loves those liberal arts majors, like Rumsfeld (Princeton BA PoliSci) Cheney (Univ Wyoming MA in PoliSci) Wolfowitz (Univ Chicago BA PoliSci) GW Bush (Yale BA History) GHW Bush (Yale BA economics) Harry went to Yale with them and thinks he has come a lot further and touched more lives than any of them... kind of like the way he bitches about Steve Doocey, one of the most liked guys in TV... The anti-intellectualism expressed here by you righties is just frippin' hilarious. Human intel gathering is best done by humans with liberal arts educations. Of course, few of you even know what a liberal arts education encompasses. Hell, most of you righties can't even follow a thread without drifting way off course. I was discussing our failures in human intel, *not* waving the flag for the wonderful accomplishments of military personnel. Bilious Bill as usual cannot follow any conversation without tripping over it. Fretwell throws in neocons and their college majors, and, of course, the newsgroup psychotic is off in outer space, as usual. I'm not talking about photo interpretation, or about figuring out what scientific data means...I'm talking about using knowledge of language, history, personality analysis, cultural differences...the tools a field agent uses to gather human intel. You know, the kind of stuff that indicates where Osama might have been hiding, or what was on his mind, or who he spoke with, or who he slept with, or what he liked to eat for dinner, or who he trusted...the sort of info you get via human interaction, the sort of info you do not get by waterboarding, the sort of data you do get via effective practice of tradecraft. this is funny as hell. Yeah, we know you're the official military flag waver, and I've read how boot camp was a wonderful experience for all you mustered out oldsters. Yahoo. |
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On 9/3/2014 3:29 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/3/14 3:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:11 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 2:49 PM, KC wrote: On 9/3/2014 12:57 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:42:29 -0500, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It was a response to your "Well, that might be the answer you mustered out old military farts want,but it sure as hell hasn't worked so far, has it?" comment. Yes, it has worked. Our policies may be flawed but the military has done everything asked of it and more. Off the subject, but I often reflect on my military time and compare it to my career as a civilian. My experiences are somewhat unique (I think) in the respect that I was military for the first 11 years of my adult life before ditching the uniform for a suit and tie in a civilian career that eventually included owning and running a small company consisting of about 100 people. Contrary to what you may think, the US military is incredibly efficient. The schools, equipment and methodology used to train people with no previously acquired skills or formal education still amazes me. Unlike the civilian world there are no office politics, no special privileges to a select few. It is a true, equal opportunity employer with "opportunity" underscored. I've said many times that I received more in knowledge, education and experience than I gave in return during the 9 years of active duty and 2 years in the reserves. Most of our failures regards the military and perceived failures are more likely to be followed back to some liberal arts grad, who went in to politics. And told the military what to do do and micro managed the military. How many of LBJ and his advisors were not liberal arts grads? Yeah Harry loves those liberal arts majors, like Rumsfeld (Princeton BA PoliSci) Cheney (Univ Wyoming MA in PoliSci) Wolfowitz (Univ Chicago BA PoliSci) GW Bush (Yale BA History) GHW Bush (Yale BA economics) Harry went to Yale with them and thinks he has come a lot further and touched more lives than any of them... kind of like the way he bitches about Steve Doocey, one of the most liked guys in TV... The anti-intellectualism expressed here by you righties is just frippin' hilarious. Human intel gathering is best done by humans with liberal arts educations. Of course, few of you even know what a liberal arts education encompasses. Hell, most of you righties can't even follow a thread without drifting way off course. I was discussing our failures in human intel, *not* waving the flag for the wonderful accomplishments of military personnel. Bilious Bill as usual cannot follow any conversation without tripping over it. Fretwell throws in neocons and their college majors, and, of course, the newsgroup psychotic is off in outer space, as usual. I'm not talking about photo interpretation, or about figuring out what scientific data means...I'm talking about using knowledge of language, history, personality analysis, cultural differences...the tools a field agent uses to gather human intel. You know, the kind of stuff that indicates where Osama might have been hiding, or what was on his mind, or who he spoke with, or who he slept with, or what he liked to eat for dinner, or who he trusted...the sort of info you get via human interaction, the sort of info you do not get by waterboarding, the sort of data you do get via effective practice of tradecraft. this is funny as hell. Yeah, we know you're the official military flag waver, and I've read how boot camp was a wonderful experience for all you mustered out oldsters. Yahoo. Don't get your underwear in a bunch. Not everyone is cut out for military service. BTW ... "Boot Camp" is a very small part of a typical four year contract, but it's one of the parts you never really forget. Bit of a "culture shock". In later years it's fun to share experiences with others who experienced it. It's entirely understandable that you have no respect for the experiences of others. You didn't do it, therefore it should have no value for anyone. Correct? |
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On 9/3/14 4:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/3/2014 3:29 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 3:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:11 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 2:49 PM, KC wrote: On 9/3/2014 12:57 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:42:29 -0500, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It was a response to your "Well, that might be the answer you mustered out old military farts want,but it sure as hell hasn't worked so far, has it?" comment. Yes, it has worked. Our policies may be flawed but the military has done everything asked of it and more. Off the subject, but I often reflect on my military time and compare it to my career as a civilian. My experiences are somewhat unique (I think) in the respect that I was military for the first 11 years of my adult life before ditching the uniform for a suit and tie in a civilian career that eventually included owning and running a small company consisting of about 100 people. Contrary to what you may think, the US military is incredibly efficient. The schools, equipment and methodology used to train people with no previously acquired skills or formal education still amazes me. Unlike the civilian world there are no office politics, no special privileges to a select few. It is a true, equal opportunity employer with "opportunity" underscored. I've said many times that I received more in knowledge, education and experience than I gave in return during the 9 years of active duty and 2 years in the reserves. Most of our failures regards the military and perceived failures are more likely to be followed back to some liberal arts grad, who went in to politics. And told the military what to do do and micro managed the military. How many of LBJ and his advisors were not liberal arts grads? Yeah Harry loves those liberal arts majors, like Rumsfeld (Princeton BA PoliSci) Cheney (Univ Wyoming MA in PoliSci) Wolfowitz (Univ Chicago BA PoliSci) GW Bush (Yale BA History) GHW Bush (Yale BA economics) Harry went to Yale with them and thinks he has come a lot further and touched more lives than any of them... kind of like the way he bitches about Steve Doocey, one of the most liked guys in TV... The anti-intellectualism expressed here by you righties is just frippin' hilarious. Human intel gathering is best done by humans with liberal arts educations. Of course, few of you even know what a liberal arts education encompasses. Hell, most of you righties can't even follow a thread without drifting way off course. I was discussing our failures in human intel, *not* waving the flag for the wonderful accomplishments of military personnel. Bilious Bill as usual cannot follow any conversation without tripping over it. Fretwell throws in neocons and their college majors, and, of course, the newsgroup psychotic is off in outer space, as usual. I'm not talking about photo interpretation, or about figuring out what scientific data means...I'm talking about using knowledge of language, history, personality analysis, cultural differences...the tools a field agent uses to gather human intel. You know, the kind of stuff that indicates where Osama might have been hiding, or what was on his mind, or who he spoke with, or who he slept with, or what he liked to eat for dinner, or who he trusted...the sort of info you get via human interaction, the sort of info you do not get by waterboarding, the sort of data you do get via effective practice of tradecraft. this is funny as hell. Yeah, we know you're the official military flag waver, and I've read how boot camp was a wonderful experience for all you mustered out oldsters. Yahoo. Don't get your underwear in a bunch. Not everyone is cut out for military service. BTW ... "Boot Camp" is a very small part of a typical four year contract, but it's one of the parts you never really forget. Bit of a "culture shock". In later years it's fun to share experiences with others who experienced it. It's entirely understandable that you have no respect for the experiences of others. You didn't do it, therefore it should have no value for anyone. Correct? Oh, please. I have plenty of respect for many of the experiences of others, no matter what their field of endeavor, especially if they have excelled at it in some significant way. A couple of army intel officers I knew in Kansas City tried to get me to sign up for some OCS program available at the time, but I had no interest in doing anything to further the slaughter of SE Asians, and I was even less interested in "the military." This was in the mid-1960s. |
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On 9/3/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/3/14 4:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:29 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 3:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:11 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 2:49 PM, KC wrote: On 9/3/2014 12:57 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:42:29 -0500, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It was a response to your "Well, that might be the answer you mustered out old military farts want,but it sure as hell hasn't worked so far, has it?" comment. Yes, it has worked. Our policies may be flawed but the military has done everything asked of it and more. Off the subject, but I often reflect on my military time and compare it to my career as a civilian. My experiences are somewhat unique (I think) in the respect that I was military for the first 11 years of my adult life before ditching the uniform for a suit and tie in a civilian career that eventually included owning and running a small company consisting of about 100 people. Contrary to what you may think, the US military is incredibly efficient. The schools, equipment and methodology used to train people with no previously acquired skills or formal education still amazes me. Unlike the civilian world there are no office politics, no special privileges to a select few. It is a true, equal opportunity employer with "opportunity" underscored. I've said many times that I received more in knowledge, education and experience than I gave in return during the 9 years of active duty and 2 years in the reserves. Most of our failures regards the military and perceived failures are more likely to be followed back to some liberal arts grad, who went in to politics. And told the military what to do do and micro managed the military. How many of LBJ and his advisors were not liberal arts grads? Yeah Harry loves those liberal arts majors, like Rumsfeld (Princeton BA PoliSci) Cheney (Univ Wyoming MA in PoliSci) Wolfowitz (Univ Chicago BA PoliSci) GW Bush (Yale BA History) GHW Bush (Yale BA economics) Harry went to Yale with them and thinks he has come a lot further and touched more lives than any of them... kind of like the way he bitches about Steve Doocey, one of the most liked guys in TV... The anti-intellectualism expressed here by you righties is just frippin' hilarious. Human intel gathering is best done by humans with liberal arts educations. Of course, few of you even know what a liberal arts education encompasses. Hell, most of you righties can't even follow a thread without drifting way off course. I was discussing our failures in human intel, *not* waving the flag for the wonderful accomplishments of military personnel. Bilious Bill as usual cannot follow any conversation without tripping over it. Fretwell throws in neocons and their college majors, and, of course, the newsgroup psychotic is off in outer space, as usual. I'm not talking about photo interpretation, or about figuring out what scientific data means...I'm talking about using knowledge of language, history, personality analysis, cultural differences...the tools a field agent uses to gather human intel. You know, the kind of stuff that indicates where Osama might have been hiding, or what was on his mind, or who he spoke with, or who he slept with, or what he liked to eat for dinner, or who he trusted...the sort of info you get via human interaction, the sort of info you do not get by waterboarding, the sort of data you do get via effective practice of tradecraft. this is funny as hell. Yeah, we know you're the official military flag waver, and I've read how boot camp was a wonderful experience for all you mustered out oldsters. Yahoo. Don't get your underwear in a bunch. Not everyone is cut out for military service. BTW ... "Boot Camp" is a very small part of a typical four year contract, but it's one of the parts you never really forget. Bit of a "culture shock". In later years it's fun to share experiences with others who experienced it. It's entirely understandable that you have no respect for the experiences of others. You didn't do it, therefore it should have no value for anyone. Correct? Oh, please. I have plenty of respect for many of the experiences of others, no matter what their field of endeavor, especially if they have excelled at it in some significant way. A couple of army intel officers I knew in Kansas City tried to get me to sign up for some OCS program available at the time, but I had no interest in doing anything to further the slaughter of SE Asians, and I was even less interested in "the military." This was in the mid-1960s. Ergo your criticism of those who, by choice or not, answered the call and served. Got it. |
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On 9/3/14 4:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/3/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 4:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:29 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 3:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:11 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 2:49 PM, KC wrote: On 9/3/2014 12:57 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:42:29 -0500, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It was a response to your "Well, that might be the answer you mustered out old military farts want,but it sure as hell hasn't worked so far, has it?" comment. Yes, it has worked. Our policies may be flawed but the military has done everything asked of it and more. Off the subject, but I often reflect on my military time and compare it to my career as a civilian. My experiences are somewhat unique (I think) in the respect that I was military for the first 11 years of my adult life before ditching the uniform for a suit and tie in a civilian career that eventually included owning and running a small company consisting of about 100 people. Contrary to what you may think, the US military is incredibly efficient. The schools, equipment and methodology used to train people with no previously acquired skills or formal education still amazes me. Unlike the civilian world there are no office politics, no special privileges to a select few. It is a true, equal opportunity employer with "opportunity" underscored. I've said many times that I received more in knowledge, education and experience than I gave in return during the 9 years of active duty and 2 years in the reserves. Most of our failures regards the military and perceived failures are more likely to be followed back to some liberal arts grad, who went in to politics. And told the military what to do do and micro managed the military. How many of LBJ and his advisors were not liberal arts grads? Yeah Harry loves those liberal arts majors, like Rumsfeld (Princeton BA PoliSci) Cheney (Univ Wyoming MA in PoliSci) Wolfowitz (Univ Chicago BA PoliSci) GW Bush (Yale BA History) GHW Bush (Yale BA economics) Harry went to Yale with them and thinks he has come a lot further and touched more lives than any of them... kind of like the way he bitches about Steve Doocey, one of the most liked guys in TV... The anti-intellectualism expressed here by you righties is just frippin' hilarious. Human intel gathering is best done by humans with liberal arts educations. Of course, few of you even know what a liberal arts education encompasses. Hell, most of you righties can't even follow a thread without drifting way off course. I was discussing our failures in human intel, *not* waving the flag for the wonderful accomplishments of military personnel. Bilious Bill as usual cannot follow any conversation without tripping over it. Fretwell throws in neocons and their college majors, and, of course, the newsgroup psychotic is off in outer space, as usual. I'm not talking about photo interpretation, or about figuring out what scientific data means...I'm talking about using knowledge of language, history, personality analysis, cultural differences...the tools a field agent uses to gather human intel. You know, the kind of stuff that indicates where Osama might have been hiding, or what was on his mind, or who he spoke with, or who he slept with, or what he liked to eat for dinner, or who he trusted...the sort of info you get via human interaction, the sort of info you do not get by waterboarding, the sort of data you do get via effective practice of tradecraft. this is funny as hell. Yeah, we know you're the official military flag waver, and I've read how boot camp was a wonderful experience for all you mustered out oldsters. Yahoo. Don't get your underwear in a bunch. Not everyone is cut out for military service. BTW ... "Boot Camp" is a very small part of a typical four year contract, but it's one of the parts you never really forget. Bit of a "culture shock". In later years it's fun to share experiences with others who experienced it. It's entirely understandable that you have no respect for the experiences of others. You didn't do it, therefore it should have no value for anyone. Correct? Oh, please. I have plenty of respect for many of the experiences of others, no matter what their field of endeavor, especially if they have excelled at it in some significant way. A couple of army intel officers I knew in Kansas City tried to get me to sign up for some OCS program available at the time, but I had no interest in doing anything to further the slaughter of SE Asians, and I was even less interested in "the military." This was in the mid-1960s. Ergo your criticism of those who, by choice or not, answered the call and served. Got it. My disdain for several of those here who "served" has nothing to do with their military service. |
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On 9/3/2014 5:26 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/3/14 4:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 4:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:29 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 3:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:11 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 2:49 PM, KC wrote: On 9/3/2014 12:57 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:42:29 -0500, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It was a response to your "Well, that might be the answer you mustered out old military farts want,but it sure as hell hasn't worked so far, has it?" comment. Yes, it has worked. Our policies may be flawed but the military has done everything asked of it and more. Off the subject, but I often reflect on my military time and compare it to my career as a civilian. My experiences are somewhat unique (I think) in the respect that I was military for the first 11 years of my adult life before ditching the uniform for a suit and tie in a civilian career that eventually included owning and running a small company consisting of about 100 people. Contrary to what you may think, the US military is incredibly efficient. The schools, equipment and methodology used to train people with no previously acquired skills or formal education still amazes me. Unlike the civilian world there are no office politics, no special privileges to a select few. It is a true, equal opportunity employer with "opportunity" underscored. I've said many times that I received more in knowledge, education and experience than I gave in return during the 9 years of active duty and 2 years in the reserves. Most of our failures regards the military and perceived failures are more likely to be followed back to some liberal arts grad, who went in to politics. And told the military what to do do and micro managed the military. How many of LBJ and his advisors were not liberal arts grads? Yeah Harry loves those liberal arts majors, like Rumsfeld (Princeton BA PoliSci) Cheney (Univ Wyoming MA in PoliSci) Wolfowitz (Univ Chicago BA PoliSci) GW Bush (Yale BA History) GHW Bush (Yale BA economics) Harry went to Yale with them and thinks he has come a lot further and touched more lives than any of them... kind of like the way he bitches about Steve Doocey, one of the most liked guys in TV... The anti-intellectualism expressed here by you righties is just frippin' hilarious. Human intel gathering is best done by humans with liberal arts educations. Of course, few of you even know what a liberal arts education encompasses. Hell, most of you righties can't even follow a thread without drifting way off course. I was discussing our failures in human intel, *not* waving the flag for the wonderful accomplishments of military personnel. Bilious Bill as usual cannot follow any conversation without tripping over it. Fretwell throws in neocons and their college majors, and, of course, the newsgroup psychotic is off in outer space, as usual. I'm not talking about photo interpretation, or about figuring out what scientific data means...I'm talking about using knowledge of language, history, personality analysis, cultural differences...the tools a field agent uses to gather human intel. You know, the kind of stuff that indicates where Osama might have been hiding, or what was on his mind, or who he spoke with, or who he slept with, or what he liked to eat for dinner, or who he trusted...the sort of info you get via human interaction, the sort of info you do not get by waterboarding, the sort of data you do get via effective practice of tradecraft. this is funny as hell. Yeah, we know you're the official military flag waver, and I've read how boot camp was a wonderful experience for all you mustered out oldsters. Yahoo. Don't get your underwear in a bunch. Not everyone is cut out for military service. BTW ... "Boot Camp" is a very small part of a typical four year contract, but it's one of the parts you never really forget. Bit of a "culture shock". In later years it's fun to share experiences with others who experienced it. It's entirely understandable that you have no respect for the experiences of others. You didn't do it, therefore it should have no value for anyone. Correct? Oh, please. I have plenty of respect for many of the experiences of others, no matter what their field of endeavor, especially if they have excelled at it in some significant way. A couple of army intel officers I knew in Kansas City tried to get me to sign up for some OCS program available at the time, but I had no interest in doing anything to further the slaughter of SE Asians, and I was even less interested in "the military." This was in the mid-1960s. Ergo your criticism of those who, by choice or not, answered the call and served. Got it. My disdain for several of those here who "served" has nothing to do with their military service. Good gracious. What is it then? |
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On 9/3/2014 6:26 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/3/14 4:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 4:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:29 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 3:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:11 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 2:49 PM, KC wrote: On 9/3/2014 12:57 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:42:29 -0500, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It was a response to your "Well, that might be the answer you mustered out old military farts want,but it sure as hell hasn't worked so far, has it?" comment. Yes, it has worked. Our policies may be flawed but the military has done everything asked of it and more. Off the subject, but I often reflect on my military time and compare it to my career as a civilian. My experiences are somewhat unique (I think) in the respect that I was military for the first 11 years of my adult life before ditching the uniform for a suit and tie in a civilian career that eventually included owning and running a small company consisting of about 100 people. Contrary to what you may think, the US military is incredibly efficient. The schools, equipment and methodology used to train people with no previously acquired skills or formal education still amazes me. Unlike the civilian world there are no office politics, no special privileges to a select few. It is a true, equal opportunity employer with "opportunity" underscored. I've said many times that I received more in knowledge, education and experience than I gave in return during the 9 years of active duty and 2 years in the reserves. Most of our failures regards the military and perceived failures are more likely to be followed back to some liberal arts grad, who went in to politics. And told the military what to do do and micro managed the military. How many of LBJ and his advisors were not liberal arts grads? Yeah Harry loves those liberal arts majors, like Rumsfeld (Princeton BA PoliSci) Cheney (Univ Wyoming MA in PoliSci) Wolfowitz (Univ Chicago BA PoliSci) GW Bush (Yale BA History) GHW Bush (Yale BA economics) Harry went to Yale with them and thinks he has come a lot further and touched more lives than any of them... kind of like the way he bitches about Steve Doocey, one of the most liked guys in TV... The anti-intellectualism expressed here by you righties is just frippin' hilarious. Human intel gathering is best done by humans with liberal arts educations. Of course, few of you even know what a liberal arts education encompasses. Hell, most of you righties can't even follow a thread without drifting way off course. I was discussing our failures in human intel, *not* waving the flag for the wonderful accomplishments of military personnel. Bilious Bill as usual cannot follow any conversation without tripping over it. Fretwell throws in neocons and their college majors, and, of course, the newsgroup psychotic is off in outer space, as usual. I'm not talking about photo interpretation, or about figuring out what scientific data means...I'm talking about using knowledge of language, history, personality analysis, cultural differences...the tools a field agent uses to gather human intel. You know, the kind of stuff that indicates where Osama might have been hiding, or what was on his mind, or who he spoke with, or who he slept with, or what he liked to eat for dinner, or who he trusted...the sort of info you get via human interaction, the sort of info you do not get by waterboarding, the sort of data you do get via effective practice of tradecraft. this is funny as hell. Yeah, we know you're the official military flag waver, and I've read how boot camp was a wonderful experience for all you mustered out oldsters. Yahoo. Don't get your underwear in a bunch. Not everyone is cut out for military service. BTW ... "Boot Camp" is a very small part of a typical four year contract, but it's one of the parts you never really forget. Bit of a "culture shock". In later years it's fun to share experiences with others who experienced it. It's entirely understandable that you have no respect for the experiences of others. You didn't do it, therefore it should have no value for anyone. Correct? Oh, please. I have plenty of respect for many of the experiences of others, no matter what their field of endeavor, especially if they have excelled at it in some significant way. A couple of army intel officers I knew in Kansas City tried to get me to sign up for some OCS program available at the time, but I had no interest in doing anything to further the slaughter of SE Asians, and I was even less interested in "the military." This was in the mid-1960s. Ergo your criticism of those who, by choice or not, answered the call and served. Got it. My disdain for several of those here who "served" has nothing to do with their military service. This discussion is going nowhere. It's like trying to swat a fly with a tennis racket. |
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On 9/3/2014 3:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
Oh, please. I have plenty of respect for many of the experiences of others, no matter what their field of endeavor, especially if they have excelled at it in some significant way. How about if they excelled in an insignificant way? You really are a moron. |
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On 9/3/2014 3:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/3/2014 3:11 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 2:49 PM, KC wrote: On 9/3/2014 12:57 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:42:29 -0500, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It was a response to your "Well, that might be the answer you mustered out old military farts want,but it sure as hell hasn't worked so far, has it?" comment. Yes, it has worked. Our policies may be flawed but the military has done everything asked of it and more. Off the subject, but I often reflect on my military time and compare it to my career as a civilian. My experiences are somewhat unique (I think) in the respect that I was military for the first 11 years of my adult life before ditching the uniform for a suit and tie in a civilian career that eventually included owning and running a small company consisting of about 100 people. Contrary to what you may think, the US military is incredibly efficient. The schools, equipment and methodology used to train people with no previously acquired skills or formal education still amazes me. Unlike the civilian world there are no office politics, no special privileges to a select few. It is a true, equal opportunity employer with "opportunity" underscored. I've said many times that I received more in knowledge, education and experience than I gave in return during the 9 years of active duty and 2 years in the reserves. Most of our failures regards the military and perceived failures are more likely to be followed back to some liberal arts grad, who went in to politics. And told the military what to do do and micro managed the military. How many of LBJ and his advisors were not liberal arts grads? Yeah Harry loves those liberal arts majors, like Rumsfeld (Princeton BA PoliSci) Cheney (Univ Wyoming MA in PoliSci) Wolfowitz (Univ Chicago BA PoliSci) GW Bush (Yale BA History) GHW Bush (Yale BA economics) Harry went to Yale with them and thinks he has come a lot further and touched more lives than any of them... kind of like the way he bitches about Steve Doocey, one of the most liked guys in TV... The anti-intellectualism expressed here by you righties is just frippin' hilarious. Human intel gathering is best done by humans with liberal arts educations. Of course, few of you even know what a liberal arts education encompasses. Hell, most of you righties can't even follow a thread without drifting way off course. I was discussing our failures in human intel, *not* waving the flag for the wonderful accomplishments of military personnel. Bilious Bill as usual cannot follow any conversation without tripping over it. Fretwell throws in neocons and their college majors, and, of course, the newsgroup psychotic is off in outer space, as usual. I'm not talking about photo interpretation, or about figuring out what scientific data means...I'm talking about using knowledge of language, history, personality analysis, cultural differences...the tools a field agent uses to gather human intel. You know, the kind of stuff that indicates where Osama might have been hiding, or what was on his mind, or who he spoke with, or who he slept with, or what he liked to eat for dinner, or who he trusted...the sort of info you get via human interaction, the sort of info you do not get by waterboarding, the sort of data you do get via effective practice of tradecraft. this is funny as hell. **** "intellectualism", it didn't get harrys bills paid... |
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