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On 9/2/2014 9:28 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 9:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/2/2014 8:34 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/2/2014 7:29 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/2/2014 4:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/2/14 4:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/2/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/2/14 3:53 PM, wrote: On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:26:29 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:04:09 -0500, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: ISIL has reportedly beheaded another American journalist. Says they do not care what the world thinks about them. Makes them even scarier to a sane person. === Yes but it will also make it easier to marshall world opinion against them. No civilized society goeas around beheading journalists. They are not exactly an invincible force if everyone stands fast against them. Somewhere they have a source of funding and supplies. Without that they could not last long. If nothing else it should be relatively easy to kill their telecom, media and internet. Where do they go after that, carrier pigeons? I like the line from "Alien". "Nuke them from orbit" Unfortunately, we didn't learn the lessons of Vietnam and we didn't learn from the Russian disaster in Afghanistan. These modern-day terrorists have no real hometown or territory anymore. They might take a town for a while, and then they'll give it up for another town. If you bomb the town into the stone age (where it probably is already), you end up killing lots of non-combatants and you make lots of converts. The only real way to fight these guys is to have the folks whose towns they take over fight back. But then you don't know what you are ending up with. Unfortunately air strikes alone won't help much other than providing a minor moral booster to those locals willing to fight, IMO. It's going to require "boots on the ground" at some point. Many "expert" commentators claim the USA lacks the "stomach" for a serious, boots on the ground retaliation. I'd suggest they survey those who would actually do the fighting ... namely members of the US armed forces. I'll bet the answer would be unanimous. Ideally it should be a multi-national coalition, but the USA needs to lead the way. Boot on the ground was a failed policy in Afghanistan for Russia and the United States, and it was a failed policy in Iraq for the United States. Toppling Saddam only made Iraq worse than it was. ISIL is holding an American female captive. Will you feel the same if they behead her as well? Yes. We're not going to beat ISIS with American boots on the ground there unless we can send Herring, Bertie and FlatulentJim. Your attempt at humor escapes me tonight. I think you will soon see a deployment of up to 5,000 troops in Iraq with a mission to hunt down and kill any or all ISIS members. Syria is a different problem and will require some more behind the scenes negotiations. Do the ISIS fellas wear special armbands? Plenty of Iraqi's will be pointing them out. As we learned during Dubya's wars, Iraqis and Afhanis will point anyone out and we'lll believe them because we want to believe them. Too bad. That's the way it goes. |
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#3
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On 9/3/14 3:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/2/2014 9:28 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/2/14 9:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/2/2014 8:34 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/2/2014 7:29 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/2/2014 4:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/2/14 4:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/2/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/2/14 3:53 PM, wrote: On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:26:29 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:04:09 -0500, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: ISIL has reportedly beheaded another American journalist. Says they do not care what the world thinks about them. Makes them even scarier to a sane person. === Yes but it will also make it easier to marshall world opinion against them. No civilized society goeas around beheading journalists. They are not exactly an invincible force if everyone stands fast against them. Somewhere they have a source of funding and supplies. Without that they could not last long. If nothing else it should be relatively easy to kill their telecom, media and internet. Where do they go after that, carrier pigeons? I like the line from "Alien". "Nuke them from orbit" Unfortunately, we didn't learn the lessons of Vietnam and we didn't learn from the Russian disaster in Afghanistan. These modern-day terrorists have no real hometown or territory anymore. They might take a town for a while, and then they'll give it up for another town. If you bomb the town into the stone age (where it probably is already), you end up killing lots of non-combatants and you make lots of converts. The only real way to fight these guys is to have the folks whose towns they take over fight back. But then you don't know what you are ending up with. Unfortunately air strikes alone won't help much other than providing a minor moral booster to those locals willing to fight, IMO. It's going to require "boots on the ground" at some point. Many "expert" commentators claim the USA lacks the "stomach" for a serious, boots on the ground retaliation. I'd suggest they survey those who would actually do the fighting ... namely members of the US armed forces. I'll bet the answer would be unanimous. Ideally it should be a multi-national coalition, but the USA needs to lead the way. Boot on the ground was a failed policy in Afghanistan for Russia and the United States, and it was a failed policy in Iraq for the United States. Toppling Saddam only made Iraq worse than it was. ISIL is holding an American female captive. Will you feel the same if they behead her as well? Yes. We're not going to beat ISIS with American boots on the ground there unless we can send Herring, Bertie and FlatulentJim. Your attempt at humor escapes me tonight. I think you will soon see a deployment of up to 5,000 troops in Iraq with a mission to hunt down and kill any or all ISIS members. Syria is a different problem and will require some more behind the scenes negotiations. Do the ISIS fellas wear special armbands? Plenty of Iraqi's will be pointing them out. As we learned during Dubya's wars, Iraqis and Afhanis will point anyone out and we'lll believe them because we want to believe them. Too bad. That's the way it goes. By "anyone," of course, I meant anyone, whether they had anything to do with terrorism or military action or not. I assume you understood that, and if your response simply is "that's the way it goes," well, then, *you* are part of the problem. When we attack or imprison non-combatants, or blow up weddings, or kill innocent civilians. it just helps create more terrorists. We shouldn't be surprised by terrorists acting like terrorists. These terrorists don't have a regular army and when they are ****ed off, they cannot do what we do, militarily. They do what they are able to do. |
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On 9/3/2014 5:34 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/3/14 3:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/2/2014 9:28 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/2/14 9:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/2/2014 8:34 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/2/2014 7:29 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/2/2014 4:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/2/14 4:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/2/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/2/14 3:53 PM, wrote: On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:26:29 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:04:09 -0500, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: ISIL has reportedly beheaded another American journalist. Says they do not care what the world thinks about them. Makes them even scarier to a sane person. === Yes but it will also make it easier to marshall world opinion against them. No civilized society goeas around beheading journalists. They are not exactly an invincible force if everyone stands fast against them. Somewhere they have a source of funding and supplies. Without that they could not last long. If nothing else it should be relatively easy to kill their telecom, media and internet. Where do they go after that, carrier pigeons? I like the line from "Alien". "Nuke them from orbit" Unfortunately, we didn't learn the lessons of Vietnam and we didn't learn from the Russian disaster in Afghanistan. These modern-day terrorists have no real hometown or territory anymore. They might take a town for a while, and then they'll give it up for another town. If you bomb the town into the stone age (where it probably is already), you end up killing lots of non-combatants and you make lots of converts. The only real way to fight these guys is to have the folks whose towns they take over fight back. But then you don't know what you are ending up with. Unfortunately air strikes alone won't help much other than providing a minor moral booster to those locals willing to fight, IMO. It's going to require "boots on the ground" at some point. Many "expert" commentators claim the USA lacks the "stomach" for a serious, boots on the ground retaliation. I'd suggest they survey those who would actually do the fighting ... namely members of the US armed forces. I'll bet the answer would be unanimous. Ideally it should be a multi-national coalition, but the USA needs to lead the way. Boot on the ground was a failed policy in Afghanistan for Russia and the United States, and it was a failed policy in Iraq for the United States. Toppling Saddam only made Iraq worse than it was. ISIL is holding an American female captive. Will you feel the same if they behead her as well? Yes. We're not going to beat ISIS with American boots on the ground there unless we can send Herring, Bertie and FlatulentJim. Your attempt at humor escapes me tonight. I think you will soon see a deployment of up to 5,000 troops in Iraq with a mission to hunt down and kill any or all ISIS members. Syria is a different problem and will require some more behind the scenes negotiations. Do the ISIS fellas wear special armbands? Plenty of Iraqi's will be pointing them out. As we learned during Dubya's wars, Iraqis and Afhanis will point anyone out and we'lll believe them because we want to believe them. Too bad. That's the way it goes. By "anyone," of course, I meant anyone, whether they had anything to do with terrorism or military action or not. I assume you understood that, and if your response simply is "that's the way it goes," well, then, *you* are part of the problem. When we attack or imprison non-combatants, or blow up weddings, or kill innocent civilians. it just helps create more terrorists. We shouldn't be surprised by terrorists acting like terrorists. These terrorists don't have a regular army and when they are ****ed off, they cannot do what we do, militarily. They do what they are able to do. You make me sick. |
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