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On 9/3/14 3:27 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/3/2014 2:49 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 1:32 PM, wrote: On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:02:54 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Unfortunately these drone strikes are not nearly as surgical as the government would have you believe. We are creating far more militants than we kill. And far less than troops on the ground. Pick your poison. I just think the psychological effect of drones is the opposite of what we want. We act like there is some kind of Yamamoto out there that will seriously degrade their capability if we kill him. The reality is the knowledge is pretty freely disseminated among the gangs and there is no one single leader or mechanic who is key to the operation. We only make martyrs. When we take out a bunch of innocents, it is just a recruiting tool. I suppose we can just kill them all but there is over a billion of them world wide That is correct. Having the biggest, baddest military in the world is not relevant anymore. Why is Russia spending whatever it can on revitalizing and expanding it's military? Why is China investing heavily into an expanded and modern Navy and Air Force? Do you know how much they'd have to be spending annually to catch up with our level of military waste? Do you think either of them envision a shooting war against the United States? |
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#44
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F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/3/14 3:27 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 2:49 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 1:32 PM, wrote: On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:02:54 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Unfortunately these drone strikes are not nearly as surgical as the government would have you believe. We are creating far more militants than we kill. And far less than troops on the ground. Pick your poison. I just think the psychological effect of drones is the opposite of what we want. We act like there is some kind of Yamamoto out there that will seriously degrade their capability if we kill him. The reality is the knowledge is pretty freely disseminated among the gangs and there is no one single leader or mechanic who is key to the operation. We only make martyrs. When we take out a bunch of innocents, it is just a recruiting tool. I suppose we can just kill them all but there is over a billion of them world wide That is correct. Having the biggest, baddest military in the world is not relevant anymore. Why is Russia spending whatever it can on revitalizing and expanding it's military? Why is China investing heavily into an expanded and modern Navy and Air Force? Do you know how much they'd have to be spending annually to catch up with our level of military waste? Do you think either of them envision a shooting war against the United States? I think they envision a shooting war with Muslim's! |
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#45
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On 9/3/2014 1:54 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 12:13:22 -0500, Califbill wrote: I am not supporting new crusades. Just pointing out that the Muslim religion has pretty much used violence to expand. Harry thinks it is all new. Bad liberal arts education. Dang Yale. Or was that Kansas that failed him? === Since there's not a shred of evidence to indicate that Harry ever set foot inside of Yale other than perhaps as a hod carrier on a brick laying team, I'd have to conclude that it was Kansas that failed him. And then there's this! http://www.findamasters.com/search/c...ords=Etymology |
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#46
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On 9/3/2014 3:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/3/2014 3:11 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 2:49 PM, KC wrote: On 9/3/2014 12:57 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:42:29 -0500, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It was a response to your "Well, that might be the answer you mustered out old military farts want,but it sure as hell hasn't worked so far, has it?" comment. Yes, it has worked. Our policies may be flawed but the military has done everything asked of it and more. Off the subject, but I often reflect on my military time and compare it to my career as a civilian. My experiences are somewhat unique (I think) in the respect that I was military for the first 11 years of my adult life before ditching the uniform for a suit and tie in a civilian career that eventually included owning and running a small company consisting of about 100 people. Contrary to what you may think, the US military is incredibly efficient. The schools, equipment and methodology used to train people with no previously acquired skills or formal education still amazes me. Unlike the civilian world there are no office politics, no special privileges to a select few. It is a true, equal opportunity employer with "opportunity" underscored. I've said many times that I received more in knowledge, education and experience than I gave in return during the 9 years of active duty and 2 years in the reserves. Most of our failures regards the military and perceived failures are more likely to be followed back to some liberal arts grad, who went in to politics. And told the military what to do do and micro managed the military. How many of LBJ and his advisors were not liberal arts grads? Yeah Harry loves those liberal arts majors, like Rumsfeld (Princeton BA PoliSci) Cheney (Univ Wyoming MA in PoliSci) Wolfowitz (Univ Chicago BA PoliSci) GW Bush (Yale BA History) GHW Bush (Yale BA economics) Harry went to Yale with them and thinks he has come a lot further and touched more lives than any of them... kind of like the way he bitches about Steve Doocey, one of the most liked guys in TV... The anti-intellectualism expressed here by you righties is just frippin' hilarious. Human intel gathering is best done by humans with liberal arts educations. Of course, few of you even know what a liberal arts education encompasses. Hell, most of you righties can't even follow a thread without drifting way off course. I was discussing our failures in human intel, *not* waving the flag for the wonderful accomplishments of military personnel. Bilious Bill as usual cannot follow any conversation without tripping over it. Fretwell throws in neocons and their college majors, and, of course, the newsgroup psychotic is off in outer space, as usual. I'm not talking about photo interpretation, or about figuring out what scientific data means...I'm talking about using knowledge of language, history, personality analysis, cultural differences...the tools a field agent uses to gather human intel. You know, the kind of stuff that indicates where Osama might have been hiding, or what was on his mind, or who he spoke with, or who he slept with, or what he liked to eat for dinner, or who he trusted...the sort of info you get via human interaction, the sort of info you do not get by waterboarding, the sort of data you do get via effective practice of tradecraft. this is funny as hell. **** "intellectualism", it didn't get harrys bills paid... |
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#47
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On 9/3/2014 3:31 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/3/14 3:27 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 2:49 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 1:32 PM, wrote: On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:02:54 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Unfortunately these drone strikes are not nearly as surgical as the government would have you believe. We are creating far more militants than we kill. And far less than troops on the ground. Pick your poison. I just think the psychological effect of drones is the opposite of what we want. We act like there is some kind of Yamamoto out there that will seriously degrade their capability if we kill him. The reality is the knowledge is pretty freely disseminated among the gangs and there is no one single leader or mechanic who is key to the operation. We only make martyrs. When we take out a bunch of innocents, it is just a recruiting tool. I suppose we can just kill them all but there is over a billion of them world wide That is correct. Having the biggest, baddest military in the world is not relevant anymore. Why is Russia spending whatever it can on revitalizing and expanding it's military? Why is China investing heavily into an expanded and modern Navy and Air Force? Do you know how much they'd have to be spending annually to catch up with our level of military waste? Do you think either of them envision a shooting war against the United States? China is specifically investing in anti-ship systems, anti-submarine (detection) systems plus a build schedule of new ships, including air craft carriers. They are also developing their own version of the F-35 that reportedly may be a superior aircraft. Russia is also investing heavily in their Navy, with a very ambitious build schedule. Our Navy has been reduced to that of the Carter administration. (under 300 ships). An overall scale back of personnel has begun that will put overall military numbers at pre-WWII levels. |
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#48
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On 9/3/2014 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 3:27 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 2:49 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 1:32 PM, wrote: On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:02:54 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Unfortunately these drone strikes are not nearly as surgical as the government would have you believe. We are creating far more militants than we kill. And far less than troops on the ground. Pick your poison. I just think the psychological effect of drones is the opposite of what we want. We act like there is some kind of Yamamoto out there that will seriously degrade their capability if we kill him. The reality is the knowledge is pretty freely disseminated among the gangs and there is no one single leader or mechanic who is key to the operation. We only make martyrs. When we take out a bunch of innocents, it is just a recruiting tool. I suppose we can just kill them all but there is over a billion of them world wide That is correct. Having the biggest, baddest military in the world is not relevant anymore. Why is Russia spending whatever it can on revitalizing and expanding it's military? Why is China investing heavily into an expanded and modern Navy and Air Force? Do you know how much they'd have to be spending annually to catch up with our level of military waste? Do you think either of them envision a shooting war against the United States? I think they envision a shooting war with Muslim's! I think they envision doing what ever the **** they want and not having to worry a lick about us... or what we think... |
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#49
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On 9/3/2014 2:50 PM, KC wrote:
On 9/3/2014 3:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:11 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 2:49 PM, KC wrote: On 9/3/2014 12:57 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:42:29 -0500, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It was a response to your "Well, that might be the answer you mustered out old military farts want,but it sure as hell hasn't worked so far, has it?" comment. Yes, it has worked. Our policies may be flawed but the military has done everything asked of it and more. Off the subject, but I often reflect on my military time and compare it to my career as a civilian. My experiences are somewhat unique (I think) in the respect that I was military for the first 11 years of my adult life before ditching the uniform for a suit and tie in a civilian career that eventually included owning and running a small company consisting of about 100 people. Contrary to what you may think, the US military is incredibly efficient. The schools, equipment and methodology used to train people with no previously acquired skills or formal education still amazes me. Unlike the civilian world there are no office politics, no special privileges to a select few. It is a true, equal opportunity employer with "opportunity" underscored. I've said many times that I received more in knowledge, education and experience than I gave in return during the 9 years of active duty and 2 years in the reserves. Most of our failures regards the military and perceived failures are more likely to be followed back to some liberal arts grad, who went in to politics. And told the military what to do do and micro managed the military. How many of LBJ and his advisors were not liberal arts grads? Yeah Harry loves those liberal arts majors, like Rumsfeld (Princeton BA PoliSci) Cheney (Univ Wyoming MA in PoliSci) Wolfowitz (Univ Chicago BA PoliSci) GW Bush (Yale BA History) GHW Bush (Yale BA economics) Harry went to Yale with them and thinks he has come a lot further and touched more lives than any of them... kind of like the way he bitches about Steve Doocey, one of the most liked guys in TV... The anti-intellectualism expressed here by you righties is just frippin' hilarious. Human intel gathering is best done by humans with liberal arts educations. Of course, few of you even know what a liberal arts education encompasses. Hell, most of you righties can't even follow a thread without drifting way off course. I was discussing our failures in human intel, *not* waving the flag for the wonderful accomplishments of military personnel. Bilious Bill as usual cannot follow any conversation without tripping over it. Fretwell throws in neocons and their college majors, and, of course, the newsgroup psychotic is off in outer space, as usual. I'm not talking about photo interpretation, or about figuring out what scientific data means...I'm talking about using knowledge of language, history, personality analysis, cultural differences...the tools a field agent uses to gather human intel. You know, the kind of stuff that indicates where Osama might have been hiding, or what was on his mind, or who he spoke with, or who he slept with, or what he liked to eat for dinner, or who he trusted...the sort of info you get via human interaction, the sort of info you do not get by waterboarding, the sort of data you do get via effective practice of tradecraft. this is funny as hell. **** "intellectualism", it didn't get harrys bills paid... Yup. Harry couldn't cut the mustard. He couldn't afford the mustard. He'll be buried standing up in a pauper's grave. |
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#50
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On 9/3/2014 3:29 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/3/14 3:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:11 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 2:49 PM, KC wrote: On 9/3/2014 12:57 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:42:29 -0500, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It was a response to your "Well, that might be the answer you mustered out old military farts want,but it sure as hell hasn't worked so far, has it?" comment. Yes, it has worked. Our policies may be flawed but the military has done everything asked of it and more. Off the subject, but I often reflect on my military time and compare it to my career as a civilian. My experiences are somewhat unique (I think) in the respect that I was military for the first 11 years of my adult life before ditching the uniform for a suit and tie in a civilian career that eventually included owning and running a small company consisting of about 100 people. Contrary to what you may think, the US military is incredibly efficient. The schools, equipment and methodology used to train people with no previously acquired skills or formal education still amazes me. Unlike the civilian world there are no office politics, no special privileges to a select few. It is a true, equal opportunity employer with "opportunity" underscored. I've said many times that I received more in knowledge, education and experience than I gave in return during the 9 years of active duty and 2 years in the reserves. Most of our failures regards the military and perceived failures are more likely to be followed back to some liberal arts grad, who went in to politics. And told the military what to do do and micro managed the military. How many of LBJ and his advisors were not liberal arts grads? Yeah Harry loves those liberal arts majors, like Rumsfeld (Princeton BA PoliSci) Cheney (Univ Wyoming MA in PoliSci) Wolfowitz (Univ Chicago BA PoliSci) GW Bush (Yale BA History) GHW Bush (Yale BA economics) Harry went to Yale with them and thinks he has come a lot further and touched more lives than any of them... kind of like the way he bitches about Steve Doocey, one of the most liked guys in TV... The anti-intellectualism expressed here by you righties is just frippin' hilarious. Human intel gathering is best done by humans with liberal arts educations. Of course, few of you even know what a liberal arts education encompasses. Hell, most of you righties can't even follow a thread without drifting way off course. I was discussing our failures in human intel, *not* waving the flag for the wonderful accomplishments of military personnel. Bilious Bill as usual cannot follow any conversation without tripping over it. Fretwell throws in neocons and their college majors, and, of course, the newsgroup psychotic is off in outer space, as usual. I'm not talking about photo interpretation, or about figuring out what scientific data means...I'm talking about using knowledge of language, history, personality analysis, cultural differences...the tools a field agent uses to gather human intel. You know, the kind of stuff that indicates where Osama might have been hiding, or what was on his mind, or who he spoke with, or who he slept with, or what he liked to eat for dinner, or who he trusted...the sort of info you get via human interaction, the sort of info you do not get by waterboarding, the sort of data you do get via effective practice of tradecraft. this is funny as hell. Yeah, we know you're the official military flag waver, and I've read how boot camp was a wonderful experience for all you mustered out oldsters. Yahoo. Don't get your underwear in a bunch. Not everyone is cut out for military service. BTW ... "Boot Camp" is a very small part of a typical four year contract, but it's one of the parts you never really forget. Bit of a "culture shock". In later years it's fun to share experiences with others who experienced it. It's entirely understandable that you have no respect for the experiences of others. You didn't do it, therefore it should have no value for anyone. Correct? |
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