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On 9/2/14 3:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:26:29 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:04:09 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
ISIL has reportedly beheaded another American journalist.

Says they do not care what the world thinks about them. Makes them even
scarier to a sane person.

===

Yes but it will also make it easier to marshall world opinion against
them. No civilized society goeas around beheading journalists. They
are not exactly an invincible force if everyone stands fast against
them. Somewhere they have a source of funding and supplies. Without
that they could not last long. If nothing else it should be
relatively easy to kill their telecom, media and internet. Where do
they go after that, carrier pigeons?

I like the line from "Alien".

"Nuke them from orbit"

Unfortunately, we didn't learn the lessons of Vietnam and we didn't
learn from the Russian disaster in Afghanistan. These modern-day
terrorists have no real hometown or territory anymore. They might take a
town for a while, and then they'll give it up for another town. If you
bomb the town into the stone age (where it probably is already), you end
up killing lots of non-combatants and you make lots of converts. The
only real way to fight these guys is to have the folks whose towns they
take over fight back. But then you don't know what you are ending up with.

Mr. Luddite

On 9/2/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 3:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:26:29 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:04:09 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
ISIL has reportedly beheaded another American journalist.

Says they do not care what the world thinks about them. Makes them
even
scarier to a sane person.

===

Yes but it will also make it easier to marshall world opinion against
them. No civilized society goeas around beheading journalists. They
are not exactly an invincible force if everyone stands fast against
them. Somewhere they have a source of funding and supplies. Without
that they could not last long. If nothing else it should be
relatively easy to kill their telecom, media and internet. Where do
they go after that, carrier pigeons?

I like the line from "Alien".

"Nuke them from orbit"

Unfortunately, we didn't learn the lessons of Vietnam and we didn't
learn from the Russian disaster in Afghanistan. These modern-day
terrorists have no real hometown or territory anymore. They might take a
town for a while, and then they'll give it up for another town. If you
bomb the town into the stone age (where it probably is already), you end
up killing lots of non-combatants and you make lots of converts. The
only real way to fight these guys is to have the folks whose towns they
take over fight back. But then you don't know what you are ending up with.

Unfortunately air strikes alone won't help much other than providing a
minor moral booster to those locals willing to fight, IMO. It's going
to require "boots on the ground" at some point.

Many "expert" commentators claim the USA lacks the "stomach" for a
serious, boots on the ground retaliation. I'd suggest they survey those
who would actually do the fighting ... namely members of the US armed
forces. I'll bet the answer would be unanimous.

Ideally it should be a multi-national coalition, but the USA needs to
lead the way.

F*O*A*D

On 9/2/14 4:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/2/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 3:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:26:29 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:04:09 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
ISIL has reportedly beheaded another American journalist.

Says they do not care what the world thinks about them. Makes them
even
scarier to a sane person.

===

Yes but it will also make it easier to marshall world opinion against
them. No civilized society goeas around beheading journalists. They
are not exactly an invincible force if everyone stands fast against
them. Somewhere they have a source of funding and supplies. Without
that they could not last long. If nothing else it should be
relatively easy to kill their telecom, media and internet. Where do
they go after that, carrier pigeons?

I like the line from "Alien".

"Nuke them from orbit"

Unfortunately, we didn't learn the lessons of Vietnam and we didn't
learn from the Russian disaster in Afghanistan. These modern-day
terrorists have no real hometown or territory anymore. They might take a
town for a while, and then they'll give it up for another town. If you
bomb the town into the stone age (where it probably is already), you end
up killing lots of non-combatants and you make lots of converts. The
only real way to fight these guys is to have the folks whose towns they
take over fight back. But then you don't know what you are ending up
with.

Unfortunately air strikes alone won't help much other than providing a
minor moral booster to those locals willing to fight, IMO. It's going
to require "boots on the ground" at some point.

Many "expert" commentators claim the USA lacks the "stomach" for a
serious, boots on the ground retaliation. I'd suggest they survey those
who would actually do the fighting ... namely members of the US armed
forces. I'll bet the answer would be unanimous.

Ideally it should be a multi-national coalition, but the USA needs to
lead the way.

Boot on the ground was a failed policy in Afghanistan for Russia and the
United States, and it was a failed policy in Iraq for the United States.
Toppling Saddam only made Iraq worse than it was.

Mr. Luddite

On 9/2/2014 4:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 4:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/2/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 3:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:26:29 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:04:09 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
ISIL has reportedly beheaded another American journalist.

Says they do not care what the world thinks about them. Makes them
even
scarier to a sane person.

===

Yes but it will also make it easier to marshall world opinion against
them. No civilized society goeas around beheading journalists. They
are not exactly an invincible force if everyone stands fast against
them. Somewhere they have a source of funding and supplies. Without
that they could not last long. If nothing else it should be
relatively easy to kill their telecom, media and internet. Where do
they go after that, carrier pigeons?

I like the line from "Alien".

"Nuke them from orbit"

Unfortunately, we didn't learn the lessons of Vietnam and we didn't
learn from the Russian disaster in Afghanistan. These modern-day
terrorists have no real hometown or territory anymore. They might take a
town for a while, and then they'll give it up for another town. If you
bomb the town into the stone age (where it probably is already), you end
up killing lots of non-combatants and you make lots of converts. The
only real way to fight these guys is to have the folks whose towns they
take over fight back. But then you don't know what you are ending up
with.

Unfortunately air strikes alone won't help much other than providing a
minor moral booster to those locals willing to fight, IMO. It's going
to require "boots on the ground" at some point.

Many "expert" commentators claim the USA lacks the "stomach" for a
serious, boots on the ground retaliation. I'd suggest they survey those
who would actually do the fighting ... namely members of the US armed
forces. I'll bet the answer would be unanimous.

Ideally it should be a multi-national coalition, but the USA needs to
lead the way.

Boot on the ground was a failed policy in Afghanistan for Russia and the
United States, and it was a failed policy in Iraq for the United States.
Toppling Saddam only made Iraq worse than it was.

ISIL is holding an American female captive. Will you feel the same if
they behead her as well?

F.O.A.D.

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 9/2/2014 4:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 4:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/2/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 3:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:26:29 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:04:09 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
ISIL has reportedly beheaded another American journalist.

Says they do not care what the world thinks about them. Makes them
even
scarier to a sane person.

===

Yes but it will also make it easier to marshall world opinion against
them. No civilized society goeas around beheading journalists. They
are not exactly an invincible force if everyone stands fast against
them. Somewhere they have a source of funding and supplies. Without
that they could not last long. If nothing else it should be
relatively easy to kill their telecom, media and internet. Where do
they go after that, carrier pigeons?

I like the line from "Alien".

"Nuke them from orbit"

Unfortunately, we didn't learn the lessons of Vietnam and we didn't
learn from the Russian disaster in Afghanistan. These modern-day
terrorists have no real hometown or territory anymore. They might take a
town for a while, and then they'll give it up for another town. If you
bomb the town into the stone age (where it probably is already), you end
up killing lots of non-combatants and you make lots of converts. The
only real way to fight these guys is to have the folks whose towns they
take over fight back. But then you don't know what you are ending up
with.

Unfortunately air strikes alone won't help much other than providing a
minor moral booster to those locals willing to fight, IMO. It's going
to require "boots on the ground" at some point.

Many "expert" commentators claim the USA lacks the "stomach" for a
serious, boots on the ground retaliation. I'd suggest they survey those
who would actually do the fighting ... namely members of the US armed
forces. I'll bet the answer would be unanimous.

Ideally it should be a multi-national coalition, but the USA needs to
lead the way.

Boot on the ground was a failed policy in Afghanistan for Russia and the
United States, and it was a failed policy in Iraq for the United States.
Toppling Saddam only made Iraq worse than it was.

ISIL is holding an American female captive. Will you feel the same if
they behead her as well?

Yes. We're not going to beat ISIS with American boots on the ground there
unless we can send Herring, Bertie and FlatulentJim.
--
Posted from my iPhone

Harrold

On 9/2/2014 6:29 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 9/2/2014 4:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 4:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/2/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 3:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:26:29 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:04:09 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
ISIL has reportedly beheaded another American journalist.

Says they do not care what the world thinks about them. Makes them
even
scarier to a sane person.

===

Yes but it will also make it easier to marshall world opinion against
them. No civilized society goeas around beheading journalists. They
are not exactly an invincible force if everyone stands fast against
them. Somewhere they have a source of funding and supplies. Without
that they could not last long. If nothing else it should be
relatively easy to kill their telecom, media and internet. Where do
they go after that, carrier pigeons?

I like the line from "Alien".

"Nuke them from orbit"

Unfortunately, we didn't learn the lessons of Vietnam and we didn't
learn from the Russian disaster in Afghanistan. These modern-day
terrorists have no real hometown or territory anymore. They might take a
town for a while, and then they'll give it up for another town. If you
bomb the town into the stone age (where it probably is already), you end
up killing lots of non-combatants and you make lots of converts. The
only real way to fight these guys is to have the folks whose towns they
take over fight back. But then you don't know what you are ending up
with.

Unfortunately air strikes alone won't help much other than providing a
minor moral booster to those locals willing to fight, IMO. It's going
to require "boots on the ground" at some point.

Many "expert" commentators claim the USA lacks the "stomach" for a
serious, boots on the ground retaliation. I'd suggest they survey those
who would actually do the fighting ... namely members of the US armed
forces. I'll bet the answer would be unanimous.

Ideally it should be a multi-national coalition, but the USA needs to
lead the way.

Boot on the ground was a failed policy in Afghanistan for Russia and the
United States, and it was a failed policy in Iraq for the United States.
Toppling Saddam only made Iraq worse than it was.

ISIL is holding an American female captive. Will you feel the same if
they behead her as well?

Yes. We're not going to beat ISIS with American boots on the ground there
unless we can send Herring, Bertie and FlatulentJim.

We served our time. Now it's your turn.

Mr. Luddite

On 9/2/2014 7:29 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 9/2/2014 4:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 4:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/2/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 3:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:26:29 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:04:09 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
ISIL has reportedly beheaded another American journalist.

Says they do not care what the world thinks about them. Makes them
even
scarier to a sane person.

===

Yes but it will also make it easier to marshall world opinion against
them. No civilized society goeas around beheading journalists. They
are not exactly an invincible force if everyone stands fast against
them. Somewhere they have a source of funding and supplies. Without
that they could not last long. If nothing else it should be
relatively easy to kill their telecom, media and internet. Where do
they go after that, carrier pigeons?

I like the line from "Alien".

"Nuke them from orbit"

Unfortunately, we didn't learn the lessons of Vietnam and we didn't
learn from the Russian disaster in Afghanistan. These modern-day
terrorists have no real hometown or territory anymore. They might take a
town for a while, and then they'll give it up for another town. If you
bomb the town into the stone age (where it probably is already), you end
up killing lots of non-combatants and you make lots of converts. The
only real way to fight these guys is to have the folks whose towns they
take over fight back. But then you don't know what you are ending up
with.

Unfortunately air strikes alone won't help much other than providing a
minor moral booster to those locals willing to fight, IMO. It's going
to require "boots on the ground" at some point.

Many "expert" commentators claim the USA lacks the "stomach" for a
serious, boots on the ground retaliation. I'd suggest they survey those
who would actually do the fighting ... namely members of the US armed
forces. I'll bet the answer would be unanimous.

Ideally it should be a multi-national coalition, but the USA needs to
lead the way.

Boot on the ground was a failed policy in Afghanistan for Russia and the
United States, and it was a failed policy in Iraq for the United States.
Toppling Saddam only made Iraq worse than it was.

ISIL is holding an American female captive. Will you feel the same if
they behead her as well?

Yes. We're not going to beat ISIS with American boots on the ground there
unless we can send Herring, Bertie and FlatulentJim.

Your attempt at humor escapes me tonight.

I think you will soon see a deployment of up to 5,000 troops in Iraq
with a mission to hunt down and kill any or all ISIS members. Syria is
a different problem and will require some more behind the scenes
negotiations.

F.O.A.D.

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 9/2/2014 7:29 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 9/2/2014 4:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 4:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/2/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 3:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:26:29 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:04:09 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
ISIL has reportedly beheaded another American journalist.

Says they do not care what the world thinks about them. Makes them
even
scarier to a sane person.

===

Yes but it will also make it easier to marshall world opinion against
them. No civilized society goeas around beheading journalists. They
are not exactly an invincible force if everyone stands fast against
them. Somewhere they have a source of funding and supplies. Without
that they could not last long. If nothing else it should be
relatively easy to kill their telecom, media and internet. Where do
they go after that, carrier pigeons?

I like the line from "Alien".

"Nuke them from orbit"

Unfortunately, we didn't learn the lessons of Vietnam and we didn't
learn from the Russian disaster in Afghanistan. These modern-day
terrorists have no real hometown or territory anymore. They might take a
town for a while, and then they'll give it up for another town. If you
bomb the town into the stone age (where it probably is already), you end
up killing lots of non-combatants and you make lots of converts. The
only real way to fight these guys is to have the folks whose towns they
take over fight back. But then you don't know what you are ending up
with.

Unfortunately air strikes alone won't help much other than providing a
minor moral booster to those locals willing to fight, IMO. It's going
to require "boots on the ground" at some point.

Many "expert" commentators claim the USA lacks the "stomach" for a
serious, boots on the ground retaliation. I'd suggest they survey those
who would actually do the fighting ... namely members of the US armed
forces. I'll bet the answer would be unanimous.

Ideally it should be a multi-national coalition, but the USA needs to
lead the way.

Boot on the ground was a failed policy in Afghanistan for Russia and the
United States, and it was a failed policy in Iraq for the United States.
Toppling Saddam only made Iraq worse than it was.

ISIL is holding an American female captive. Will you feel the same if
they behead her as well?

Yes. We're not going to beat ISIS with American boots on the ground there
unless we can send Herring, Bertie and FlatulentJim.

Your attempt at humor escapes me tonight.

I think you will soon see a deployment of up to 5,000 troops in Iraq with
a mission to hunt down and kill any or all ISIS members. Syria is a
different problem and will require some more behind the scenes negotiations.

Do the ISIS fellas wear special armbands?
--
Posted from my iPhone

Boating All Out

In article ,
says...

I think you will soon see a deployment of up to 5,000 troops in Iraq
with a mission to hunt down and kill any or all ISIS members. Syria is
a different problem and will require some more behind the scenes
negotiations.

Why 5,000? It took 166,000 U.S. troops to quell unrest in '07.
You think the IED'S, snipers, suicide bombers won't kill and maim U.S.
troops in 2014?
Besides, there' over 1200 U.S. troops in Baghdad now, just to protect
the embassy and airport.
Hunting down of ISIS will be done with air strikes or special force
teams. They're just criminals, and will be destroyed.
Their beheading of Americans is simply suicide by another name.
Of course they don't care, being criminals with a death wish.

Evidence points to a rapper doing the actual beheadings.
Figures. Rappers with guns, IED's, and knives for the easy stuff,
The Arabs can kill civilians without our help, and without the sacrifice
of our troops to no good end.
I saw an Iraqi "man on the street" interview recently about this ISIS
"crisis." Neatly dressed man verging on middle-age with a couple kids.
He didn't want U.S. troops there. Hope he gets his wish.
Like the "British rapper" he is an Arab infected with Muslimism.
It's a worse disease than Ebola.
Until they get the disease under control, they need Saddams, Qaddafis
and Assads.

KC

On 9/2/2014 7:33 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:59:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

ISIL is holding an American female captive. Will you feel the same if
they behead her as well?

... or worse.

I suppose eventually they could screw up bad enough and turn the
American public against them enough to do something stupid.

Or something smart like take off the gloves. War sucks, sucks more for
the guy that loses... Let's make sure they lose, and badly.. Send our
boys in but this time tell them to win... and let them.

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