On 8/28/2014 12:52 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:49:24 -0400, KC wrote:

On 8/28/2014 12:38 PM, wrote:

If you have air, it might be worth trying to get as much water out of
that pipe as possible.,

I am not sure about where the water comes out. Down here the water
would come up the pipe in your picture. It doesn't freeze here. If you
are coming out 4' below grade, you will have to dig that out and cut
it before you can do anything


Yeah, that's what I figured... that's gonna' be a bitch.

Where did the pipe coming out the top go?


I don't know yet...

On 8/28/2014 1:14 PM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 8/28/2014 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 08:43:16 -0400, KC wrote:

That is the kind of pump I am thinking of putting in... Run the
compressor a couple times a week and fill the 250 gallon tank in the
basement. They are becoming more popular in dry areas and can be run
with a lot less power than a 3/4 horse, 240v pump..

I bet it is not that much less. You still bump up against physics.


Yeah, and I can't afford a learning curve..

You can do some rough calculations based on the cu/ft per min of the
compressor at 100 PSI (roughly 200' head) and convert that to gpm of
the water at 8 times that but I doubt it actually works that
efficiently. This would be the max possible.



That sounds about right, the video I saw had a 200 foot well with 85 psi,
and it was glugging a cup and a half glug, every few seconds... the guy
said it was doing about 4 gpm.. Most of the vids I have seen look pretty
stable as to the concept. The flow is not steady, and I am sure it's
noisy, but it does seem to work with very simple setup. Another concern
is water level in the well, there needs to be a few feet of pipe below
the air inlet on the pipe for it to work right. At the same time I am
still working on getting that old pipe out. Got the Tee you recommended
on today, and will try to pull the cap when I get home tonight and can
build a staging to hold the pipe and tee....

When I hand bored a 43' well at my last house, I used a couple 2x4's with a
hinge and a hole drilled the size of the pipe to clamp around the pipe as I
pulled the 10' sections. But I had a pipe flange connecting the sections
while drilling. So maybe you could modify, and wrap a length of chain
around the pipe and let the chain rest against the wood while splitting the
pipes.


Another good idea.. I have to decide soon, need to get this thing out.
Hey, anybody know if I am gonna' need a permit to change the pump?

On 8/28/2014 1:14 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 08:43:16 -0400, KC wrote:

That is the kind of pump I am thinking of putting in... Run the
compressor a couple times a week and fill the 250 gallon tank in the
basement. They are becoming more popular in dry areas and can be run
with a lot less power than a 3/4 horse, 240v pump..

I bet it is not that much less. You still bump up against physics.


Yeah, and I can't afford a learning curve..

You can do some rough calculations based on the cu/ft per min of the
compressor at 100 PSI (roughly 200' head) and convert that to gpm of
the water at 8 times that but I doubt it actually works that
efficiently. This would be the max possible.

I doubt it is more efficient than a submersible. Heat loss in compressing
air, the loss in pumping, etc. a 3/4 horse pump these days is fairly
efficient. I run a 1.5 and a 1 horse pump on my pool. 4 hours on the big
pump and 2 hours on the smaller booster for the pool sweep and my electric
bill is only about $50 more than not running the pumps. And the gold
dredgers use these, but the head is only a few feet, not a 100+ For their
air pumps.


Yeah, I am just looking for the cheapest installation, easiest to
replace. This system has no wiring or motors underground. I would have
to put a storage tank in the basement but 100 gallons would be plenty.

On 8/28/2014 9:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 21:04:20 -0400, KC wrote:

On 8/28/2014 12:52 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:49:24 -0400, KC wrote:

On 8/28/2014 12:38 PM, wrote:

If you have air, it might be worth trying to get as much water out of
that pipe as possible.,

I am not sure about where the water comes out. Down here the water
would come up the pipe in your picture. It doesn't freeze here. If you
are coming out 4' below grade, you will have to dig that out and cut
it before you can do anything


Yeah, that's what I figured... that's gonna' be a bitch.

Where did the pipe coming out the top go?


I don't know yet...

There is a chance that was the output.
You could try dropping a line down it and see if it goes to the pump.


I am reasonably sure it's attached to the main line but it must be
closed off at the tee. Being in CT the one thing I do know is I am going
to find a pipe at least 4 feet down going the 35 foot run to the
basement where it comes through the foundation. If it were open, the
pressure from the pump would shoot the water out of the ground there
instead of pumping up the pressure tank. But again, I don't doubt it's
connected.

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 21:55:50 -0400, KC wrote:

On 8/28/2014 1:14 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 08:43:16 -0400, KC wrote:

That is the kind of pump I am thinking of putting in... Run the
compressor a couple times a week and fill the 250 gallon tank in the
basement. They are becoming more popular in dry areas and can be run
with a lot less power than a 3/4 horse, 240v pump..

I bet it is not that much less. You still bump up against physics.


Yeah, and I can't afford a learning curve..

You can do some rough calculations based on the cu/ft per min of the
compressor at 100 PSI (roughly 200' head) and convert that to gpm of
the water at 8 times that but I doubt it actually works that
efficiently. This would be the max possible.

I doubt it is more efficient than a submersible. Heat loss in compressing
air, the loss in pumping, etc. a 3/4 horse pump these days is fairly
efficient. I run a 1.5 and a 1 horse pump on my pool. 4 hours on the big
pump and 2 hours on the smaller booster for the pool sweep and my electric
bill is only about $50 more than not running the pumps. And the gold
dredgers use these, but the head is only a few feet, not a 100+ For their
air pumps.


Yeah, I am just looking for the cheapest installation, easiest to
replace. This system has no wiring or motors underground. I would have
to put a storage tank in the basement but 100 gallons would be plenty.

===

I wouldn't count on 100 gallons being enough unless it is a
pressurized accumulator tank that is constantly being replenished by a
pump. 100 gallons goes pretty fast when you have clothes washers,
dish washers, showers and flush toilets being used.

On 8/28/2014 10:43 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 22:07:03 -0400, KC wrote:


There is a chance that was the output.
You could try dropping a line down it and see if it goes to the pump.


I am reasonably sure it's attached to the main line but it must be
closed off at the tee. Being in CT the one thing I do know is I am going
to find a pipe at least 4 feet down going the 35 foot run to the
basement where it comes through the foundation. If it were open, the
pressure from the pump would shoot the water out of the ground there
instead of pumping up the pressure tank. But again, I don't doubt it's
connected.

A minute with a fishing rod would prove that. or just a stick


Yeah, gonna' get a better look today...

On 8/28/2014 10:40 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 21:10:53 -0400, KC wrote:




Another good idea.. I have to decide soon, need to get this thing out.
Hey, anybody know if I am gonna' need a permit to change the pump?

I can't speak for everywhere but if you are not drilling a new hole,
you don't need a permit here. Replacing a pump in an existing well
casing is just maintenance.


Good...

On 8/28/2014 10:52 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 21:55:50 -0400, KC wrote:

On 8/28/2014 1:14 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 08:43:16 -0400, KC wrote:

That is the kind of pump I am thinking of putting in... Run the
compressor a couple times a week and fill the 250 gallon tank in the
basement. They are becoming more popular in dry areas and can be run
with a lot less power than a 3/4 horse, 240v pump..

I bet it is not that much less. You still bump up against physics.


Yeah, and I can't afford a learning curve..

You can do some rough calculations based on the cu/ft per min of the
compressor at 100 PSI (roughly 200' head) and convert that to gpm of
the water at 8 times that but I doubt it actually works that
efficiently. This would be the max possible.

I doubt it is more efficient than a submersible. Heat loss in compressing
air, the loss in pumping, etc. a 3/4 horse pump these days is fairly
efficient. I run a 1.5 and a 1 horse pump on my pool. 4 hours on the big
pump and 2 hours on the smaller booster for the pool sweep and my electric
bill is only about $50 more than not running the pumps. And the gold
dredgers use these, but the head is only a few feet, not a 100+ For their
air pumps.


Yeah, I am just looking for the cheapest installation, easiest to
replace. This system has no wiring or motors underground. I would have
to put a storage tank in the basement but 100 gallons would be plenty.

===

I wouldn't count on 100 gallons being enough unless it is a
pressurized accumulator tank that is constantly being replenished by a
pump. 100 gallons goes pretty fast when you have clothes washers,
dish washers, showers and flush toilets being used.


Not sure really what I am gonna' do... Still rebuilding down the
shoreline, short on cash until we get that place rented out.

On 8/29/2014 11:26 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 05:55:03 -0400, KC wrote:



Not sure really what I am gonna' do... Still rebuilding down the
shoreline, short on cash until we get that place rented out.

If this is going to be a rental, the simplest way is the best way.
You can't expect much help from a renter, they only complain when it
isn't working, no matter what it is.

If this was just a summer beach cabin, that pipe coming out the top
may be the supply line. They probably drained down the plumbing in the
winter. We used to stay in a farm house like that when we were hunting
on the eastern Shore. It was basically just a wooden tent after Labor
Day.
I would start by exploring that pipe but I see a shovel in your
future.


No, no, no... this is our home with the well problem. The house at the
shore sustained ten grand in damage and we blew our nut evicting them
and rebuilding, haven't rented it back out yet so we are just very tight
up here at the house...

On 8/29/2014 11:26 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 05:55:03 -0400, KC wrote:



Not sure really what I am gonna' do... Still rebuilding down the
shoreline, short on cash until we get that place rented out.

If this is going to be a rental, the simplest way is the best way.
You can't expect much help from a renter, they only complain when it
isn't working, no matter what it is.

If this was just a summer beach cabin, that pipe coming out the top
may be the supply line. They probably drained down the plumbing in the
winter. We used to stay in a farm house like that when we were hunting
on the eastern Shore. It was basically just a wooden tent after Labor
Day.
I would start by exploring that pipe but I see a shovel in your
future.


Yeah, we are starting to dig today...