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On 8/23/2014 5:05 PM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 13:21:36 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 18:19:10 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 22:26:47 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 14:11:46 -0700, jps wrote:

The only problem I have with the mess in Missouri is they picked the
wrong case to go off on. The guy they choked to death in New York is a
better case. Of course you also have Diallo who was shot 41 times. The
problem is they are both in New York, a bluer than blue city in a blue
state.

Also the densest population area in the country. Two incidents like
this could happen in the middle of different states if you spread NY
out.

The issue is supposed to be an egregious abuse of police power. Is
that excused if it is the big city?


What's your comment about blue city suppose to indicate? You think
cops in NY are more likely to be R's or Ds? R's constitute 33% of the
population in NYC.

I only question why they single out this incident and ignore far worse
ones. Were the looking for a red state to drive this issue?

This really looks like it might turn out to be a good shoot just a bad
shot. Six rounds only inflicted 2 serious wounds and 3 went on into
the environment somewhere. Good thing this was a less populated area
or we would have had bystanders hit.

I suppose he might have been hurt in the "scuffle" in the car enough
to affect his aim but that helps the officer.

Crock o' Poop. The cop was 20-25 feet away when he shot 3 or 4
additional rounds after the kid was hit.

The last shot entered the top of his skull, meaning that he was
bending forward and going down. No cop could argue that he felt his
life was being threatened.

The cop will be guilty of murder, which variety is yet to be known.

I suppose it all depends on the first autopsy. If there was GSR in his
hair, this may be a good shoot.

I bet those last flurry of shots took less than 2 seconds with very
little thinking between the first and last shot

Doesn't matter. Each shot is treated as a separate decision. From
the time the kid was 20' away, the cop was not in danger and his life
was not being threatened.

Any reasonable jury will find the cop guilty of murder, it's just a
matter of which flavor.

In this case, because he disengaged with the young man before firing
the kills shots, it could be considered premeditated and in the first
degree.



I think manslaughter, not murder.

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On 8/23/2014 5:02 PM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 09:33:53 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 22:26:47 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 14:11:46 -0700, jps wrote:

The only problem I have with the mess in Missouri is they picked the
wrong case to go off on. The guy they choked to death in New York is a
better case. Of course you also have Diallo who was shot 41 times. The
problem is they are both in New York, a bluer than blue city in a blue
state.

Also the densest population area in the country. Two incidents like
this could happen in the middle of different states if you spread NY
out.

The issue is supposed to be an egregious abuse of police power. Is
that excused if it is the big city?


What's your comment about blue city suppose to indicate? You think
cops in NY are more likely to be R's or Ds? R's constitute 33% of the
population in NYC.

I only question why they single out this incident and ignore far worse
ones. Were the looking for a red state to drive this issue?

This really looks like it might turn out to be a good shoot just a bad
shot. Six rounds only inflicted 2 serious wounds and 3 went on into
the environment somewhere. Good thing this was a less populated area
or we would have had bystanders hit.

I suppose he might have been hurt in the "scuffle" in the car enough
to affect his aim but that helps the officer.

Crock o' Poop. The cop was 20-25 feet away when he shot 3 or 4
additional rounds after the kid was hit.

The last shot entered the top of his skull, meaning that he was
bending forward and going down. No cop could argue that he felt his
life was being threatened.

The cop will be guilty of murder, which variety is yet to be known.

Please explain the cops injuries to his head and face, which occurred
prior to the cop shooting the 6'4" 300 man.

Not the issue. By *all* accounts, the kid was retreating.


That is just a flat out lie.

You cannot
shoot an unarmed person while they're retreating, it's murder.

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On 8/23/2014 5:05 PM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 13:21:36 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 18:19:10 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 22:26:47 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 14:11:46 -0700, jps wrote:

The only problem I have with the mess in Missouri is they picked the
wrong case to go off on. The guy they choked to death in New York is a
better case. Of course you also have Diallo who was shot 41 times. The
problem is they are both in New York, a bluer than blue city in a blue
state.

Also the densest population area in the country. Two incidents like
this could happen in the middle of different states if you spread NY
out.

The issue is supposed to be an egregious abuse of police power. Is
that excused if it is the big city?


What's your comment about blue city suppose to indicate? You think
cops in NY are more likely to be R's or Ds? R's constitute 33% of the
population in NYC.

I only question why they single out this incident and ignore far worse
ones. Were the looking for a red state to drive this issue?

This really looks like it might turn out to be a good shoot just a bad
shot. Six rounds only inflicted 2 serious wounds and 3 went on into
the environment somewhere. Good thing this was a less populated area
or we would have had bystanders hit.

I suppose he might have been hurt in the "scuffle" in the car enough
to affect his aim but that helps the officer.

Crock o' Poop. The cop was 20-25 feet away when he shot 3 or 4
additional rounds after the kid was hit.

The last shot entered the top of his skull, meaning that he was
bending forward and going down. No cop could argue that he felt his
life was being threatened.

The cop will be guilty of murder, which variety is yet to be known.

I suppose it all depends on the first autopsy. If there was GSR in his
hair, this may be a good shoot.

I bet those last flurry of shots took less than 2 seconds with very
little thinking between the first and last shot

Doesn't matter. Each shot is treated as a separate decision. From
the time the kid was 20' away, the cop was not in danger and his life
was not being threatened.

Any reasonable jury will find the cop guilty of murder, it's just a
matter of which flavor.

In this case, because he disengaged with the young man before firing
the kills shots, it could be considered premeditated and in the first
degree.


That is just your opinion, and you are a shameless advocate so we don't
even have a doubt where you would come down on this..

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On Saturday, August 23, 2014 5:05:54 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:

In this case, because he disengaged with the young man before firing
the kills shots, it could be considered premeditated and in the first
degree.

You're a hoot. You have no idea what the circumstances are, if any disengagement occurred, or if the officer felt his life was in danger as the thug charged him again after nearly beating the officer to death.

Whitey cop bad, right?

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On 8/23/14 8:25 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:18:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

I bet those last flurry of shots took less than 2 seconds with very
little thinking between the first and last shot



I have the feeling there was "little thinking" going on during any part
of the shooting.

Considering someone can close on you at about 15-20 feet per second,
there is not a lot of time for complex thought.


Two of my old newspaper buddies from the Kansas City Star who run their
own papers now in two small Missouri cities, one just south of St.
Louis, told me in emails that racism is still a big problem in some of
the police departments in that state, and hasn't changed much in the
decades since we all roamed the state as reporters. But I have no
first-hand info on this.

I remember a couple of years ago when the FBI reported from its own
internal investigations that of the 600 fatal shootings its agents had
committed over some then recent period of time, all 600 were
"justified." That made a lot of people laugh.

CNN had an interesting factoid the other day. This is the first police
shooting in at least 20 years.
I imagine if Holder is going to find anything it will be some general
impression of the police department, not this particular incident.
Why do they always pick a thug to try to make a martyr out of?
I am sure there are far more egregious examples of police malfeasance
out there.,


The first police shooting in 20 years in Ferguson? That's not
surprising. It's a pretty small city and probably has more problems with
property crimes than murders.

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On 8/23/2014 9:26 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:31:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 5:05:54 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:

In this case, because he disengaged with the young man before firing
the kills shots, it could be considered premeditated and in the first
degree.

You're a hoot. You have no idea what the circumstances are, if any disengagement occurred, or if the officer felt his life was in danger as the thug charged him again after nearly beating the officer to death.

Whitey cop bad, right?

The "beat5ing" has been overstated a bit, the cop was punched or
slapped in the face but you hit a cop, you are going to be in trouble,
no matter what.
If this thug repeated the same thing we saw on the store video (turn
and try to threaten with his bulk) , he was going to be shot .. In
Missouri, New York or even yuppie assed San Francisco.

CNN seems to have some witnesses who back up the cop version of the
story but they are too afraid to go on camera.
I notice the news anchors are softening on their predictions of a
prosecution.
In real life, charging a cop for killing a felon in the process of an
arrest is pretty rare

For the folks who think otherwise, do not underestimate the power of
the police unions.


Due mostly to the immediate reaction to the shooting Holden opened a
federal investigation based on civil rights violations.
The FBI has been in town conducting witness interviews. A federal
autopsy (the third) has been completed.

The Feds have the authority to detain and/or arrest Wilson. They
haven't. Why?

In the end I think he will probably be arrested and charged with
something. The whole issue is too hot of a political potato.

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On 8/23/2014 9:26 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:31:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 5:05:54 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:

In this case, because he disengaged with the young man before firing
the kills shots, it could be considered premeditated and in the first
degree.

You're a hoot. You have no idea what the circumstances are, if any disengagement occurred, or if the officer felt his life was in danger as the thug charged him again after nearly beating the officer to death.

Whitey cop bad, right?

The "beat5ing" has been overstated a bit, the cop was punched or
slapped in the face but you hit a cop, you are going to be in trouble,
no matter what.

"shattered eye socket"... I have been in some pretty bad fights and
never got one of those.

If this thug repeated the same thing we saw on the store video (turn
and try to threaten with his bulk) , he was going to be shot .. In
Missouri, New York or even yuppie assed San Francisco.

CNN seems to have some witnesses who back up the cop version of the
story but they are too afraid to go on camera.
I notice the news anchors are softening on their predictions of a
prosecution.
In real life, charging a cop for killing a felon in the process of an
arrest is pretty rare

For the folks who think otherwise, do not underestimate the power of
the police unions.

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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 8/23/2014 9:26 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:31:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 5:05:54 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:

In this case, because he disengaged with the young man before firing
the kills shots, it could be considered premeditated and in the first
degree.

You're a hoot. You have no idea what the circumstances are, if any
disengagement occurred, or if the officer felt his life was in danger
as the thug charged him again after nearly beating the officer to death.

Whitey cop bad, right?

The "beat5ing" has been overstated a bit, the cop was punched or
slapped in the face but you hit a cop, you are going to be in trouble,
no matter what.
If this thug repeated the same thing we saw on the store video (turn
and try to threaten with his bulk) , he was going to be shot .. In
Missouri, New York or even yuppie assed San Francisco.

CNN seems to have some witnesses who back up the cop version of the
story but they are too afraid to go on camera.
I notice the news anchors are softening on their predictions of a
prosecution.
In real life, charging a cop for killing a felon in the process of an
arrest is pretty rare

For the folks who think otherwise, do not underestimate the power of
the police unions.


Due mostly to the immediate reaction to the shooting Holden opened a
federal investigation based on civil rights violations.
The FBI has been in town conducting witness interviews. A federal
autopsy (the third) has been completed.

The Feds have the authority to detain and/or arrest Wilson. They haven't. Why?

In the end I think he will probably be arrested and charged with
something. The whole issue is too hot of a political potato.

If they arrest and detain the cop, and can only come up with some unrelated
charge that will not stick, and if not convicted, I can see some suits for
mega millions for false arrest and abuse of office.

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On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:20:44 -0400, wrote:

Say what you will about Zimmerman but he only fired one shot and he
had a full magazine. That is more fire discipline than I have seen
from a cop in 30 years. They seem to spray and pray.

===

I believe that LEO training calls for 2 or 3 shots to center of mass.
Perpatrator still standing? Rinse, repeat. If shooting, they are
shooting to kill. It's not that easy to hit a moving target at 30
feet.

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On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:26:36 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:31:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 5:05:54 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:

In this case, because he disengaged with the young man before firing
the kills shots, it could be considered premeditated and in the first
degree.

You're a hoot. You have no idea what the circumstances are, if any disengagement occurred, or if the officer felt his life was in danger as the thug charged him again after nearly beating the officer to death.

Whitey cop bad, right?

The "beat5ing" has been overstated a bit, the cop was punched or
slapped in the face but you hit a cop, you are going to be in trouble,
no matter what.
If this thug repeated the same thing we saw on the store video (turn
and try to threaten with his bulk) , he was going to be shot .. In
Missouri, New York or even yuppie assed San Francisco.

CNN seems to have some witnesses who back up the cop version of the
story but they are too afraid to go on camera.
I notice the news anchors are softening on their predictions of a
prosecution.
In real life, charging a cop for killing a felon in the process of an
arrest is pretty rare

For the folks who think otherwise, do not underestimate the power of
the police unions.

Hahahaha!!! "CNN seems to have..." What a joke.

CNN seemed to have discovered the missing Malaysian plane at least a
couple of dozen times while they were busy selling advertising.