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.357 Magnum, handled properly
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 09:40:23 -0600, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 7/14/2014 9:02 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 7/14/14, 10:48 AM, wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 08:40:09 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 7/14/14, 8:19 AM, Tim wrote: Harry, I'm not speculating. The guy is using hand loaded led bullets. The gun doesn't have the crack of a jacketed round and you can see the lead residue spraying out the barrel. I've shot .357 for years with lots of different loads and bullets so... I wasn't commenting about the bullet, per se. I was commenting about the powder charge. Here's a question for you... Of what components is a "true" .357 MAG round composed, and in what amounts? A"true" .357 round is supersonic with chamber pressures well over 20,000 PSI It will be a jacketed bullet. You can get SS velocities out of a small cast bullet like a 40gr.22 but when they start getting heavier, they will strip right through the rifling if you try to push them too hard. They still copper plate better brands of .22rf to keep the bore cleaner. Perhaps if you had done some reloading you would have a better idea of the effect of powders and bullets. Your knowledge seems to be what you google up at the moment and not much actual experience. I had a ****load of cast .357 (dia) bullets, that I was getting pretty cheap and I tried them with all sorts of different combinations of powders and primers. Even at typical .38 +p velocities, accuracy starts falling off pretty fast and lead fouling becomes a big problem. They are perfect for what this guy was doing tho, shooting targets at fairly short ranges and using "modest loads", how he describes them himself. I'll be glad to take you more seriously when you post the actual specifications of what he was shooting. Absent that, you're just guessing. For the 20th time, I am not interested in reloading. I shoot jacketed ammo only. Modest my man, modest. Look it up in the dictionary. My guess is that good, professional, competitive shooters are interested in reloading. Maybe that's why you are, at best, a mediocre shooter. Have you ever known Krause to be 'modest' about anything? He obviously does not know the meaning of the word. |
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.357 Magnum, handled properly
On 7/14/14, 12:00 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 11:02:43 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 7/14/14, 10:48 AM, wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 08:40:09 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 7/14/14, 8:19 AM, Tim wrote: Harry, I'm not speculating. The guy is using hand loaded led bullets. The gun doesn't have the crack of a jacketed round and you can see the lead residue spraying out the barrel. I've shot .357 for years with lots of different loads and bullets so... I wasn't commenting about the bullet, per se. I was commenting about the powder charge. Here's a question for you... Of what components is a "true" .357 MAG round composed, and in what amounts? A"true" .357 round is supersonic with chamber pressures well over 20,000 PSI It will be a jacketed bullet. You can get SS velocities out of a small cast bullet like a 40gr.22 but when they start getting heavier, they will strip right through the rifling if you try to push them too hard. They still copper plate better brands of .22rf to keep the bore cleaner. Perhaps if you had done some reloading you would have a better idea of the effect of powders and bullets. Your knowledge seems to be what you google up at the moment and not much actual experience. I had a ****load of cast .357 (dia) bullets, that I was getting pretty cheap and I tried them with all sorts of different combinations of powders and primers. Even at typical .38 +p velocities, accuracy starts falling off pretty fast and lead fouling becomes a big problem. They are perfect for what this guy was doing tho, shooting targets at fairly short ranges and using "modest loads", how he describes them himself. I'll be glad to take you more seriously when you post the actual specifications of what he was shooting. Absent that, you're just guessing. For the 20th time, I am not interested in reloading. I shoot jacketed ammo only. So you are saying you don't have a clue either and you don't even have a point of reference. I will simply take the video at face value. He says he is shooting a modest load. We all believe him. Modest is not a quantifier. Modest compared to, say, Buffalo Bore? -- Republicans . . . the anti-immigrant, anti-contraception, anti-student, anti-middle class, pro-impeachment party that shut down the government last year for no reason. |
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.357 Magnum, handled properly
On 7/14/14, 12:54 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:19:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 7/14/14, 12:00 PM, wrote: I will simply take the video at face value. He says he is shooting a modest load. We all believe him. Modest is not a quantifier. Modest compared to, say, Buffalo Bore? Modest compared to .357 velocities. Did you actually look at the video and listen to what he was saying? He made a big deal about how versatile this type of gun was and that you can shoot .38 class loads in it. It was after that when he called these modest. Then you have the cast bullets. That insures he is shooting a fairly light load. I agree with the others, the muzzle blast was very light and there was virtually zero muzzle flash. Maybe your eyes are closed when you shoot your .357 but there is quite a flash with a full load, particularly in a short barrel pistol. I have tube enhancer on this machine and I can clip off some stills from that video if you like. We can compare then to the other video you posted to get an idea about what he is shooting. The only way we would know what he was shooting is if he told us. -- Republicans . . . the anti-immigrant, anti-contraception, anti-student, anti-middle class, pro-impeachment party that shut down the government last year for no reason. |
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.357 Magnum, handled properly
On 7/14/14, 3:50 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:12:35 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 7/14/14, 12:54 PM, wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:19:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 7/14/14, 12:00 PM, wrote: I will simply take the video at face value. He says he is shooting a modest load. We all believe him. Modest is not a quantifier. Modest compared to, say, Buffalo Bore? Modest compared to .357 velocities. Did you actually look at the video and listen to what he was saying? He made a big deal about how versatile this type of gun was and that you can shoot .38 class loads in it. It was after that when he called these modest. Then you have the cast bullets. That insures he is shooting a fairly light load. I agree with the others, the muzzle blast was very light and there was virtually zero muzzle flash. Maybe your eyes are closed when you shoot your .357 but there is quite a flash with a full load, particularly in a short barrel pistol. I have tube enhancer on this machine and I can clip off some stills from that video if you like. We can compare then to the other video you posted to get an idea about what he is shooting. The only way we would know what he was shooting is if he told us. He did tell us, you just refuse to accept it. I say again. shoot is a video of your rock steady hold and a picture of the ammo, we can judge for ourselves. Otherwise it is just a waste of the bandwidth to continue. I didn't hear or see any numbers in that vid. -- Republicans . . . the anti-immigrant, anti-contraception, anti-student, anti-middle class, pro-impeachment party that shut down the government last year for no reason. |
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.357 Magnum, handled properly
On 7/14/2014 4:32 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/14/14, 3:50 PM, wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:12:35 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 7/14/14, 12:54 PM, wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:19:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 7/14/14, 12:00 PM, wrote: I will simply take the video at face value. He says he is shooting a modest load. We all believe him. Modest is not a quantifier. Modest compared to, say, Buffalo Bore? Modest compared to .357 velocities. Did you actually look at the video and listen to what he was saying? He made a big deal about how versatile this type of gun was and that you can shoot .38 class loads in it. It was after that when he called these modest. Then you have the cast bullets. That insures he is shooting a fairly light load. I agree with the others, the muzzle blast was very light and there was virtually zero muzzle flash. Maybe your eyes are closed when you shoot your .357 but there is quite a flash with a full load, particularly in a short barrel pistol. I have tube enhancer on this machine and I can clip off some stills from that video if you like. We can compare then to the other video you posted to get an idea about what he is shooting. The only way we would know what he was shooting is if he told us. He did tell us, you just refuse to accept it. I say again. shoot is a video of your rock steady hold and a picture of the ammo, we can judge for ourselves. Otherwise it is just a waste of the bandwidth to continue. I didn't hear or see any numbers in that vid. Why don't you just acknowledge that the video link you posted presumably to show little muzzle flip of a .357 Magnum (with a 3-inch barrel) when using a "proper grip" .... doesn't. Several experienced (and some less experienced) have questioned what type of rounds he was shooting ... the guy in the video calls them "modest" rounds and, most importantly, *you* don't know what he was shooting either. It's ok to be wrong sometimes. |
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.357 Magnum, handled properly
On 7/14/14, 5:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/14/2014 4:32 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 7/14/14, 3:50 PM, wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:12:35 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 7/14/14, 12:54 PM, wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:19:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 7/14/14, 12:00 PM, wrote: I will simply take the video at face value. He says he is shooting a modest load. We all believe him. Modest is not a quantifier. Modest compared to, say, Buffalo Bore? Modest compared to .357 velocities. Did you actually look at the video and listen to what he was saying? He made a big deal about how versatile this type of gun was and that you can shoot .38 class loads in it. It was after that when he called these modest. Then you have the cast bullets. That insures he is shooting a fairly light load. I agree with the others, the muzzle blast was very light and there was virtually zero muzzle flash. Maybe your eyes are closed when you shoot your .357 but there is quite a flash with a full load, particularly in a short barrel pistol. I have tube enhancer on this machine and I can clip off some stills from that video if you like. We can compare then to the other video you posted to get an idea about what he is shooting. The only way we would know what he was shooting is if he told us. He did tell us, you just refuse to accept it. I say again. shoot is a video of your rock steady hold and a picture of the ammo, we can judge for ourselves. Otherwise it is just a waste of the bandwidth to continue. I didn't hear or see any numbers in that vid. Why don't you just acknowledge that the video link you posted presumably to show little muzzle flip of a .357 Magnum (with a 3-inch barrel) when using a "proper grip" .... doesn't. Several experienced (and some less experienced) have questioned what type of rounds he was shooting ... the guy in the video calls them "modest" rounds and, most importantly, *you* don't know what he was shooting either. It's ok to be wrong sometimes. All we have is unquantified guesses, no hard date. Zip, zilch. It's certainly okay to question what sorts of rounds he was shooting, but there are no answers. -- Republicans . . . the anti-immigrant, anti-contraception, anti-student, anti-middle class, pro-impeachment party that shut down the government last year for no reason. |
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On 7/14/14, 5:56 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/14/14, 5:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 7/14/2014 4:32 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 7/14/14, 3:50 PM, wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:12:35 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 7/14/14, 12:54 PM, wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:19:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 7/14/14, 12:00 PM, wrote: I will simply take the video at face value. He says he is shooting a modest load. We all believe him. Modest is not a quantifier. Modest compared to, say, Buffalo Bore? Modest compared to .357 velocities. Did you actually look at the video and listen to what he was saying? He made a big deal about how versatile this type of gun was and that you can shoot .38 class loads in it. It was after that when he called these modest. Then you have the cast bullets. That insures he is shooting a fairly light load. I agree with the others, the muzzle blast was very light and there was virtually zero muzzle flash. Maybe your eyes are closed when you shoot your .357 but there is quite a flash with a full load, particularly in a short barrel pistol. I have tube enhancer on this machine and I can clip off some stills from that video if you like. We can compare then to the other video you posted to get an idea about what he is shooting. The only way we would know what he was shooting is if he told us. He did tell us, you just refuse to accept it. I say again. shoot is a video of your rock steady hold and a picture of the ammo, we can judge for ourselves. Otherwise it is just a waste of the bandwidth to continue. I didn't hear or see any numbers in that vid. Why don't you just acknowledge that the video link you posted presumably to show little muzzle flip of a .357 Magnum (with a 3-inch barrel) when using a "proper grip" .... doesn't. Several experienced (and some less experienced) have questioned what type of rounds he was shooting ... the guy in the video calls them "modest" rounds and, most importantly, *you* don't know what he was shooting either. It's ok to be wrong sometimes. All we have is unquantified guesses, no hard date. Zip, zilch. It's certainly okay to question what sorts of rounds he was shooting, but there are no answers. No hard data. -- Republicans . . . the anti-immigrant, anti-contraception, anti-student, anti-middle class, pro-impeachment party that shut down the government last year for no reason. |
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.357 Magnum, handled properly
On 7/14/2014 5:56 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/14/14, 5:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 7/14/2014 4:32 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 7/14/14, 3:50 PM, wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:12:35 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 7/14/14, 12:54 PM, wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:19:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 7/14/14, 12:00 PM, wrote: I will simply take the video at face value. He says he is shooting a modest load. We all believe him. Modest is not a quantifier. Modest compared to, say, Buffalo Bore? Modest compared to .357 velocities. Did you actually look at the video and listen to what he was saying? He made a big deal about how versatile this type of gun was and that you can shoot .38 class loads in it. It was after that when he called these modest. Then you have the cast bullets. That insures he is shooting a fairly light load. I agree with the others, the muzzle blast was very light and there was virtually zero muzzle flash. Maybe your eyes are closed when you shoot your .357 but there is quite a flash with a full load, particularly in a short barrel pistol. I have tube enhancer on this machine and I can clip off some stills from that video if you like. We can compare then to the other video you posted to get an idea about what he is shooting. The only way we would know what he was shooting is if he told us. He did tell us, you just refuse to accept it. I say again. shoot is a video of your rock steady hold and a picture of the ammo, we can judge for ourselves. Otherwise it is just a waste of the bandwidth to continue. I didn't hear or see any numbers in that vid. Why don't you just acknowledge that the video link you posted presumably to show little muzzle flip of a .357 Magnum (with a 3-inch barrel) when using a "proper grip" .... doesn't. Several experienced (and some less experienced) have questioned what type of rounds he was shooting ... the guy in the video calls them "modest" rounds and, most importantly, *you* don't know what he was shooting either. It's ok to be wrong sometimes. All we have is unquantified guesses, no hard date. Zip, zilch. It's certainly okay to question what sorts of rounds he was shooting, but there are no answers. Then why did you offer it as an example of little muzzle flip when shooting a .357 Magnum? You said the minimal flip was due to "proper grip, stance, etc.". Now you admit no one (including you) knows what the hell he was shooting in it. We know one thing. They weren't full powered, factory .357 Magnum rounds. If they were there would be no need for his comment about them being "modest" rounds. |
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