https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq3UdULuqt8

Notice how well the muzzle flip is controlled in a properly designed and
handled revolver. Mine has even less muzzle flip, it's heavier with a 6"
barrel.


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F*O*A*D wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq3UdULuqt8

Notice how well the muzzle flip is controlled in a properly designed and
handled revolver. Mine has even less muzzle flip, it's heavier with a 6" barrel.



Notice he says lead hand loads? And a full power 357 would have huge flash
from a 3" barrel! I bet with your expertise, you could spend shoot a .454
Casul off hand, and hit the stump from 50 yards every time.

On Sunday, July 13, 2014 10:02:07 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq3UdULuqt8



Notice how well the muzzle flip is controlled in a properly designed and

handled revolver. Mine has even less muzzle flip, it's heavier with a 6"

barrel.


Blow your brains out, asshole. Oh, I forgot...you DON'T HAVE ANY.

On Sunday, July 13, 2014 7:02:07 PM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq3UdULuqt8



Notice how well the muzzle flip is controlled in a properly designed and

handled revolver. Mine has even less muzzle flip, it's heavier with a 6"

barrel.





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The rapport sounded like .38's to me. Krause you really should get your **** together.

On 7/14/14, 1:09 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 22:02:07 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq3UdULuqt8

Notice how well the muzzle flip is controlled in a properly designed and
handled revolver. Mine has even less muzzle flip, it's heavier with a 6"
barrel.


He is shooting cast bullets which pretty much limits him to .38
velocities and he calls them "very modest loads, nothing hot at all".
It looks like the kind of loading I did with wad cutters, except he
has a round nose bullet. (the good old 158gr?)


Except, of course, you don't have the specifications of what he is
shooting. My guess is that he is a far more highly skilled shooter than
you are, and knows how to handle .357 MAGS in a short barrel revolver,
and you, well, there it is...you don't. Looks to me as if he is shooting
what is considered the standard weight .357 MAG bullet in a standard
..357 MAG casing with a standard .357 MAG powder charge, the kind you can
buy off the shelf from dozens of vendors.

The stuff I shoot has the bullet weight and velocity of Buffalo Bore,
except I shoot FMJ's. Gosh, I wonder if I am actually shooting .357
MAGs. snerk

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On 7/13/2014 10:02 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq3UdULuqt8

Notice how well the muzzle flip is controlled in a properly designed and
handled revolver. Mine has even less muzzle flip, it's heavier with a 6"
barrel.



First, a disclaimer. I don't know what I am talking about. I am not
an expert in shooting or handguns and don't shoot that often.

That said, I could make an argument that "muzzle flip" is naturally
greater with a six inch barrel than a 3 inch barrel, purely from a
mechanical advantage point of view. This assumes the rounds are of the
same caliber and load, of course.

Picture the handgun as a lever with your hand or wrist as the fulcrum.
The force of the bullet exiting the end of a longer barrel is going to
impart more off center force on your wrist than from a shorter barrel.

I am sure the weight of the handgun plays a role but I suspect the
difference of 2 or 3 inches on the barrel length is minor. Energy (or
in this case force) is mass times velocity squared.

On Monday, July 14, 2014 3:09:58 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/14/14, 1:09 AM, wrote:

On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 22:02:07 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq3UdULuqt8



Notice how well the muzzle flip is controlled in a properly designed and

handled revolver. Mine has even less muzzle flip, it's heavier with a 6"

barrel.





He is shooting cast bullets which pretty much limits him to .38

velocities and he calls them "very modest loads, nothing hot at all".

It looks like the kind of loading I did with wad cutters, except he

has a round nose bullet. (the good old 158gr?)





Except, of course, you don't have the specifications of what he is

shooting. My guess is that he is a far more highly skilled shooter than

you are, and knows how to handle .357 MAGS in a short barrel revolver,

and you, well, there it is...you don't. Looks to me as if he is shooting

what is considered the standard weight .357 MAG bullet in a standard

.357 MAG casing with a standard .357 MAG powder charge, the kind you can

buy off the shelf from dozens of vendors.



The stuff I shoot has the bullet weight and velocity of Buffalo Bore,

except I shoot FMJ's. Gosh, I wonder if I am actually shooting .357

MAGs. snerk



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I'n not getting into it with exception of I don't think that the shooters 'skill' has much to do with a hand guns kickback properties.

But if you look at this demo of the comparable Colt Diamond Back, which is chambered in .38 you see about the same kick back and sound characteristics. IMO the guy with the .357 is shooting lighter loads than factory, causing less kick.

On 7/14/14, 6:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/13/2014 10:02 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq3UdULuqt8

Notice how well the muzzle flip is controlled in a properly designed and
handled revolver. Mine has even less muzzle flip, it's heavier with a 6"
barrel.



First, a disclaimer. I don't know what I am talking about. I am not
an expert in shooting or handguns and don't shoot that often.

That said, I could make an argument that "muzzle flip" is naturally
greater with a six inch barrel than a 3 inch barrel, purely from a
mechanical advantage point of view. This assumes the rounds are of the
same caliber and load, of course.

Picture the handgun as a lever with your hand or wrist as the fulcrum.
The force of the bullet exiting the end of a longer barrel is going to
impart more off center force on your wrist than from a shorter barrel.

I am sure the weight of the handgun plays a role but I suspect the
difference of 2 or 3 inches on the barrel length is minor. Energy (or
in this case force) is mass times velocity squared.




Oooh…is this at least partially a discussion about elements to plug into
the equation for Conservation of Motion! Wow…in rec. boats, of all
places.

Barrel weight is what sells bull barrels, tungsten guide rods, and
revolvers with full underlugs, because the weight “out there” tends to
reduce muzzle flip, but the best way to control it is with a strong grip
and proper stance and recoil control. A longer barrel has more mass, and
should be more resistant to the leverage involved in muzzle flip. An
expansion chamber compensator will also make a difference.

If you want to experience the differences barrel length and weight makes
on muzzle flip, try a Ruger LCR in .357 MAG and then shoot the same
rounds out of a 6” barrel Ruger GP 100.



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On 7/14/14, 7:19 AM, Tim wrote:

I'n not getting into it with exception of I don't think that the shooters 'skill' has much to do with a hand guns kickback properties.

But if you look at this demo of the comparable Colt Diamond Back, which is chambered in .38 you see about the same kick back and sound characteristics. IMO the guy with the .357 is shooting lighter loads than factory, causing less kick.



Sure it does. A skilled shooter will have a proper grip, a proper
stance, and the ability to control the impact of recoil and muzzle rise.
Therefore, the "kickback" is controlled.

Since we don't know what loads the guy is shooting, we can all
speculate, eh?

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Harry, I'm not speculating. The guy is using hand loaded led bullets. The gun doesn't have the crack of a jacketed round and you can see the lead residue spraying out the barrel. I've shot .357 for years with lots of different loads and bullets so...