https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq3UdULuqt8

Notice how well the muzzle flip is controlled in a properly designed and
handled revolver. Mine has even less muzzle flip, it's heavier with a 6"
barrel.


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last year for no reason.

F*O*A*D wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq3UdULuqt8

Notice how well the muzzle flip is controlled in a properly designed and
handled revolver. Mine has even less muzzle flip, it's heavier with a 6" barrel.



Notice he says lead hand loads? And a full power 357 would have huge flash
from a 3" barrel! I bet with your expertise, you could spend shoot a .454
Casul off hand, and hit the stump from 50 yards every time.

On Sunday, July 13, 2014 10:02:07 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq3UdULuqt8



Notice how well the muzzle flip is controlled in a properly designed and

handled revolver. Mine has even less muzzle flip, it's heavier with a 6"

barrel.


Blow your brains out, asshole. Oh, I forgot...you DON'T HAVE ANY.

On Sunday, July 13, 2014 7:02:07 PM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq3UdULuqt8



Notice how well the muzzle flip is controlled in a properly designed and

handled revolver. Mine has even less muzzle flip, it's heavier with a 6"

barrel.





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Republicans . . . the anti-immigrant, anti-contraception, anti-student,

anti-middle class, pro-impeachment party that shut down the government

last year for no reason.

The rapport sounded like .38's to me. Krause you really should get your **** together.

On 7/13/2014 10:02 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq3UdULuqt8

Notice how well the muzzle flip is controlled in a properly designed and
handled revolver. Mine has even less muzzle flip, it's heavier with a 6"
barrel.



First, a disclaimer. I don't know what I am talking about. I am not
an expert in shooting or handguns and don't shoot that often.

That said, I could make an argument that "muzzle flip" is naturally
greater with a six inch barrel than a 3 inch barrel, purely from a
mechanical advantage point of view. This assumes the rounds are of the
same caliber and load, of course.

Picture the handgun as a lever with your hand or wrist as the fulcrum.
The force of the bullet exiting the end of a longer barrel is going to
impart more off center force on your wrist than from a shorter barrel.

I am sure the weight of the handgun plays a role but I suspect the
difference of 2 or 3 inches on the barrel length is minor. Energy (or
in this case force) is mass times velocity squared.

On 7/14/14, 6:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/13/2014 10:02 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq3UdULuqt8

Notice how well the muzzle flip is controlled in a properly designed and
handled revolver. Mine has even less muzzle flip, it's heavier with a 6"
barrel.



First, a disclaimer. I don't know what I am talking about. I am not
an expert in shooting or handguns and don't shoot that often.

That said, I could make an argument that "muzzle flip" is naturally
greater with a six inch barrel than a 3 inch barrel, purely from a
mechanical advantage point of view. This assumes the rounds are of the
same caliber and load, of course.

Picture the handgun as a lever with your hand or wrist as the fulcrum.
The force of the bullet exiting the end of a longer barrel is going to
impart more off center force on your wrist than from a shorter barrel.

I am sure the weight of the handgun plays a role but I suspect the
difference of 2 or 3 inches on the barrel length is minor. Energy (or
in this case force) is mass times velocity squared.




Oooh…is this at least partially a discussion about elements to plug into
the equation for Conservation of Motion! Wow…in rec. boats, of all
places.

Barrel weight is what sells bull barrels, tungsten guide rods, and
revolvers with full underlugs, because the weight “out there” tends to
reduce muzzle flip, but the best way to control it is with a strong grip
and proper stance and recoil control. A longer barrel has more mass, and
should be more resistant to the leverage involved in muzzle flip. An
expansion chamber compensator will also make a difference.

If you want to experience the differences barrel length and weight makes
on muzzle flip, try a Ruger LCR in .357 MAG and then shoot the same
rounds out of a 6” barrel Ruger GP 100.



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Republicans . . . the anti-immigrant, anti-contraception, anti-student,
anti-middle class, pro-impeachment party that shut down the government
last year for no reason.

On 7/14/2014 6:00 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/14/14, 6:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/13/2014 10:02 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq3UdULuqt8

Notice how well the muzzle flip is controlled in a properly designed and
handled revolver. Mine has even less muzzle flip, it's heavier with a 6"
barrel.



First, a disclaimer. I don't know what I am talking about. I am not
an expert in shooting or handguns and don't shoot that often.

That said, I could make an argument that "muzzle flip" is naturally
greater with a six inch barrel than a 3 inch barrel, purely from a
mechanical advantage point of view. This assumes the rounds are of the
same caliber and load, of course.

Picture the handgun as a lever with your hand or wrist as the fulcrum.
The force of the bullet exiting the end of a longer barrel is going to
impart more off center force on your wrist than from a shorter barrel.

I am sure the weight of the handgun plays a role but I suspect the
difference of 2 or 3 inches on the barrel length is minor. Energy (or
in this case force) is mass times velocity squared.




Oooh…is this at least partially a discussion about elements to plug into
the equation for Conservation of Motion! Wow…in rec. boats, of all
places.

Barrel weight is what sells bull barrels, tungsten guide rods, and
revolvers with full underlugs, because the weight “out there” tends to
reduce muzzle flip, but the best way to control it is with a strong grip
and proper stance and recoil control. A longer barrel has more mass, and
should be more resistant to the leverage involved in muzzle flip. An
expansion chamber compensator will also make a difference.

If you want to experience the differences barrel length and weight makes
on muzzle flip, try a Ruger LCR in .357 MAG and then shoot the same
rounds out of a 6” barrel Ruger GP 100.



So which is it, genius, which is the predominant factor in muzzle flip,
weight or barrel length?

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government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 08:23:50 -0600, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

So which is it, genius, which is the predominant factor in muzzle flip,
weight or barrel length?

===

Actually the predominant factor is muzzle velocity assuming bullets of
equal weight. Energy increases as the square of velocity so an
increase from 900 fps (typical light target load) to 1600 fps would
result in an energy increase of 3.16 .

On 7/14/2014 11:05 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 08:23:50 -0600, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

So which is it, genius, which is the predominant factor in muzzle flip,
weight or barrel length?

===

Actually the predominant factor is muzzle velocity assuming bullets of
equal weight. Energy increases as the square of velocity so an
increase from 900 fps (typical light target load) to 1600 fps would
result in an energy increase of 3.16 .


I agree with that.

On 7/14/2014 9:05 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 08:23:50 -0600, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

So which is it, genius, which is the predominant factor in muzzle flip,
weight or barrel length?

===

Actually the predominant factor is muzzle velocity assuming bullets of
equal weight. Energy increases as the square of velocity so an
increase from 900 fps (typical light target load) to 1600 fps would
result in an energy increase of 3.16 .


Actually, in the scenario Harry painted, the comparison was made with
similar loads. The snub nose vs the 6 in barrel was the comparison he
wanted to make. I don't think he knows why the snubby is less
controllable. Hence my question.

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"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson