On Monday, June 16, 2014 4:58:50 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:
The majority of posters here

are right-wingers who don't have boats.



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If right-wing assholes could fly,

rec.boats would be an airport!

Harry do you really have to inject political blather into every post you make?

On 6/16/14, 8:32 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, June 16, 2014 4:58:50 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:
The majority of posters here

are right-wingers who don't have boats.



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If right-wing assholes could fly,

rec.boats would be an airport!

Harry do you really have to inject political blather into every post you make?


I change my tag line from time to time, if that is what you are
referring to...I don't "inject" politics into the text of every post I
make here.

I do find it humorous that of late a couple of rec.boats.cruising
posters are now posting/crossposting here because their "home" newsgroup
is dead, dead, dead.

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If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!

On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 05:32:19 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Harry do you really have to inject political blather into every post you make?

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His specialty is making himself irritating enough that someone will
feel compelled to talk with him.

On 6/16/2014 7:58 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/15/14, 8:51 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, June 15, 2014 5:23:47 PM UTC-7, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 15 June 2014 20:58:02 UTC-3, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:

Let's talk about sailboat dodgers. You might wish to



think I am totally against them. You would be totally



wrong.







I think sailboat dodgers are a capital idea in that



they serve admirable as spray hoods in adverse weather,



especially when going to weather. A properly designed,



fitted and used dodger can be a real benefit and improve



the sailing experience.







Now, for the bad part. Most every dodger I have seen in



use is never folded down after it is installed. Instead,



they are left permanently in place no matter the weather -



a fading blister that ruins the lines of an otherwise



comely vessel.







This stupidity or sloth causes them to weather and the



front vinyl window to yellow and become an impediment to



seeing forward. Why, I wonder, do so-called sailors leave



them up permanently when most, if not all of them, are



designed to fold down with ease?







But, does anybody else realize how stupid it is to keep



a dodger up all the time even in the best of weather?







Do any of you walk around, rain or shine, with your



umbrellas open? Do you wear your Mac in the hot



sunshine? Galoshes during a drought? So what's



with the dodger misuse fetish?







--



Sir Gregory



This used to be a bit of a pet peeve of mine when I crewed on a
friends Mirage 33 sailboat.

He usually had the dodger up to keep his various lady friends comfy
on our afternoon sails.

Trouble was, if you sat in the forward area of the cockpit, you were
subject to objectionable odors coming from inside the cabin due to
the open forward hatch.

I believe the odors came from the unused sanitation holding tank.
Back then (and maybe now) you could discharge the head directly into
coastal waters so the holding tank was never re-freshed or emptied.

I left that crew before I knew about the free advice offered by Ms
Peggy Hall.

A sensitive nose and a queasy stomach in any kind of following sea
made many sails less than pleasant for me.

Peggy was a great resource on those subjects. I wish she'd come back.
She was very friendly, knowledgeable and generally great to talk with.



She knew her stuff, though I never agreed with her about keeping potable
water on boats. But there aren't enough actual boaters here to interest
anyone who writes seriously on the subject. The majority of posters here
are right-wingers who don't have boats.

Keeping potable water in plastic tanks is something many of us are
familiar with. We listen with great interest to what knowledgeable folks
have to say on the subject. Needless to say, your opinions don't count.

On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 17:23:47 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

On Sunday, 15 June 2014 20:58:02 UTC-3, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
Let's talk about sailboat dodgers. You might wish to

think I am totally against them. You would be totally

wrong.



I think sailboat dodgers are a capital idea in that

they serve admirable as spray hoods in adverse weather,

especially when going to weather. A properly designed,

fitted and used dodger can be a real benefit and improve

the sailing experience.



Now, for the bad part. Most every dodger I have seen in

use is never folded down after it is installed. Instead,

they are left permanently in place no matter the weather -

a fading blister that ruins the lines of an otherwise

comely vessel.



This stupidity or sloth causes them to weather and the

front vinyl window to yellow and become an impediment to

seeing forward. Why, I wonder, do so-called sailors leave

them up permanently when most, if not all of them, are

designed to fold down with ease?



But, does anybody else realize how stupid it is to keep

a dodger up all the time even in the best of weather?



Do any of you walk around, rain or shine, with your

umbrellas open? Do you wear your Mac in the hot

sunshine? Galoshes during a drought? So what's

with the dodger misuse fetish?



--

Sir Gregory

This used to be a bit of a pet peeve of mine when I crewed on a friends Mirage 33 sailboat.
He usually had the dodger up to keep his various lady friends comfy on our afternoon sails.
Trouble was, if you sat in the forward area of the cockpit, you were subject to objectionable
odors coming from inside the cabin due to the open forward hatch.
I believe the odors came from the unused sanitation holding tank. Back then (and maybe
ow) you could discharge the head directly into coastal waters so the holding tank was never
re-freshed or emptied.
I left that crew before I knew about the free advice offered by Ms Peggy Hall.
A sensitive nose and a queazy stomach in any kind of following sea made many sails
less then pleasent for me.


I suspect that dodger use depends greatly on how one uses the
boat. For "day tripping" where the "cruise" is broken up into
single day sails, or less, sitting out in the weather may not be
of much concern. If one is crossing oceans then it may very well
be of come interest. The trip from the Galapagos to Tahiti is
something like 3,600 miles and in a small boat this is more than
a month's sail. Having no alternate to being out in the broiling
sun or the pouring rain for a month is a whole new story.

Another point. People who reside on their boat, as ocean crossers
must, appreciate the additional room that a dodger gives. It
allows the entire cockpit to become an all weather space, in fact
the erection of permanent dodgers is not uncommon on boats that
are used as a residence. I might mention that a large number of
people I meet cruising have sold their land dwelling and bought a
boat.

The idea that the boat must look yachty is usually not a major
consideration to those who have to sit out in the weather all
day, every day. I must say that sailing along in a cloudburst
wearing a tee shirt and shorts isn't bad at all when you have a
dodger :-)

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Bruce

On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 10:27:17 +0700, Bruce in bangkok
wrote:

Another point. People who reside on their boat, as ocean crossers
must, appreciate the additional room that a dodger gives.

===

And that is what a dodger does best, create an extra dry space on the
boat which is immediately adjacent to the cockpit. It ends up making
both the cockpit and the boat feel significantly bigger in my
experience. A well made dodger can also have external hand holds
built into it which are useful when going forward.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 10:27:17 +0700, Bruce in bangkok
wrote:

Another point. People who reside on their boat, as ocean crossers
must, appreciate the additional room that a dodger gives.

===

And that is what a dodger does best, create an extra dry space on the
boat which is immediately adjacent to the cockpit. It ends up making
both the cockpit and the boat feel significantly bigger in my
experience. A well made dodger can also have external hand holds
built into it which are useful when going forward.

My problem with most if the dodgers I see, is the lack of visibility of the
sailor. Open ocean may not be bad. But in SF bay and environs, you need
good visibility.

On 16/06/14 00:58, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
Now, for the bad part. Most every dodger I have seen in
use is never folded down after it is installed.

Dodgers don't fold down.

Ian

On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 23:44:42 +0100, The Real Doctor
wrote:

On 16/06/14 00:58, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
Now, for the bad part. Most every dodger I have seen in
use is never folded down after it is installed.

Dodgers don't fold down.


Wrong, as traditional dodgers are designed to fold down.

http://www.peckenpaugh.com/Dodgers.htm

"Traditional Dodger: Traditional dodgers are just that. They are an
old design that has sufficed for many years. They are generally a two
bow frame and a one piece canvas cover. They were designed to fold
forward out of the way when not in use. Unfortunately this puts folds
and wrinkles in the clear vinyl windows and renders them unusable to
see through."

The part about putting wrinkles in the vinyl and rendering them
unusable is rubbish. If one is careful folding them down and
smoothly flakes the vinyl it will last a lot longer than leaving
the dodger up all the time. It is stupid and lubberly to leave a
dodger up all the time as they are a detriment in fine weather.

--
Sir Gregory

On 01/07/14 00:12, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 23:44:42 +0100, The Real Doctor
wrote:

On 16/06/14 00:58, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
Now, for the bad part. Most every dodger I have seen in
use is never folded down after it is installed.

Dodgers don't fold down.


Wrong, as traditional dodgers are designed to fold down.

http://www.peckenpaugh.com/Dodgers.htm

Those aren't dodgers.

Ian