On 3/31/14, 7:49 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 19:01:37 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/31/14, 2:49 PM, wrote:

Andy Grove and Bill Gates summed it up. Bill wrote software to sell
Grove's new hardware. A perfect storm of planned obsolescence.
I am surprised an anti-corporation guy like you falls for it.
The only reason you need more speed is because the bloated software
needs it. A clean XP machine runs as fast as a W/8 machine. It is just
not dragging around an extra gig of software behind it.

If you really want a fast machine, load XP on a machine that was
shipped with W/8 or even 7.
(Like my lap top)

Most "slow" computers are just slowed by the spyware and useless
crapware people get tricked into loading on it.
For the same amount of work you would have to do to move to a new
machine, you could just reload your old one. That is trivial if you
have a good disk image of it when it was clean.



I doubt my MAC OS is as bloated as the typical setup suite on most new
Windoze machines, and I also doubt an obsolete Win XP setup with its old
CPU's, video card, slow drive and limited RAM are going to keep pace.

Keep pace with what? If your use doesn't change significantly, why
should your software change?

I'm not aware of any spyware or crapware Apple includes with the OS.
That's much more of a Windoze phenom, eh?

My iMac has a four core i7 CPU, 24 GB's of RAM, a fast video card and a
SSD for its hard drive. I don't think your warp drive XP is going to
transcode videos via Handbrake as quickly as either my desktop or laptop
on OSx.9+

I don't know about Apple but most of this junk comes from web sites
you go to, not things you select.


I'm not sure XP has the drivers necessary to operate the hardware on a
contemporary i7 Windoze box.

Why would I buy anything apple?


The only "junk" I get from websites, other than the usual cookie, is
stuff I select to get. And that usually is...nothing.

The software I use for some tasks takes advantage of faster processors,
faster GPU's, faster and more memory, and faster hard drives.

Do any DVD encoding?

On 3/31/14, 8:39 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 19:55:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/31/14, 7:49 PM, wrote:


Do any DVD encoding?

I have no problem burning DVDs. (Copying them, stripping off the
trailers, remastering to strip the DRM, reformatting the video file or
whatever)
I am really getting away from DVD tho. I think any media on bits of
plastic is obsolete technology. I haven't fooled with music CDs for
close to a decade.
About the only thing I use them for is storing drivers and some tools
for when you are building a machine before it gets smart enough to
talk on the network.



Yes, well, on a modern computer with a modern OS, DVD encoding takes
place...faster. A lot faster. And encoding is a tad more than copying or
burning DVDs or stripping out DRM.

On 3/31/2014 9:53 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/31/14, 8:39 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 19:55:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/31/14, 7:49 PM, wrote:


Do any DVD encoding?

I have no problem burning DVDs. (Copying them, stripping off the
trailers, remastering to strip the DRM, reformatting the video file or
whatever)
I am really getting away from DVD tho. I think any media on bits of
plastic is obsolete technology. I haven't fooled with music CDs for
close to a decade.
About the only thing I use them for is storing drivers and some tools
for when you are building a machine before it gets smart enough to
talk on the network.



Yes, well, on a modern computer with a modern OS, DVD encoding takes
place...faster. A lot faster. And encoding is a tad more than copying or
burning DVDs or stripping out DRM.

Sounds like you might be a bootlegging expert.

On 4/1/14, 1:23 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 21:53:41 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/31/14, 8:39 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 19:55:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/31/14, 7:49 PM, wrote:


Do any DVD encoding?

I have no problem burning DVDs. (Copying them, stripping off the
trailers, remastering to strip the DRM, reformatting the video file or
whatever)
I am really getting away from DVD tho. I think any media on bits of
plastic is obsolete technology. I haven't fooled with music CDs for
close to a decade.
About the only thing I use them for is storing drivers and some tools
for when you are building a machine before it gets smart enough to
talk on the network.



Yes, well, on a modern computer with a modern OS, DVD encoding takes
place...faster. A lot faster. And encoding is a tad more than copying or
burning DVDs or stripping out DRM.

I have made video files (going from AVI or MOV to WMV). This goes
pretty fast on a dual core 2.5mz machine or even a regular P4 3.0

It is certainly not $800 worth of new machine to save a minute once a
month or so.

I would want to see the speed before I bit anyway.
You are still talking about speed, not the OS.
On the same machine, XP would go faster than W8. If nothing else, you
would have more available RAM after the OS loaded



The time savings available when encoding with a modern computer and OS
is considerable, not just a minute, and the OS certainly is involved. Do
you think that programmers do not write code that takes advantage of
developments and improvements in the OS, as well as in the hardware?

I won't comment on the relative speed of an app running under XP versus
Windoze 8. I don't have any machines handy that run either.

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/1/14, 1:23 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 21:53:41 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/31/14, 8:39 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 19:55:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/31/14, 7:49 PM, wrote:


Do any DVD encoding?

I have no problem burning DVDs. (Copying them, stripping off the
trailers, remastering to strip the DRM, reformatting the video file or
whatever)
I am really getting away from DVD tho. I think any media on bits of
plastic is obsolete technology. I haven't fooled with music CDs for
close to a decade.
About the only thing I use them for is storing drivers and some tools
for when you are building a machine before it gets smart enough to
talk on the network.



Yes, well, on a modern computer with a modern OS, DVD encoding takes
place...faster. A lot faster. And encoding is a tad more than copying or
burning DVDs or stripping out DRM.

I have made video files (going from AVI or MOV to WMV). This goes
pretty fast on a dual core 2.5mz machine or even a regular P4 3.0

It is certainly not $800 worth of new machine to save a minute once a
month or so.

I would want to see the speed before I bit anyway.
You are still talking about speed, not the OS.
On the same machine, XP would go faster than W8. If nothing else, you
would have more available RAM after the OS loaded



The time savings available when encoding with a modern computer and OS is
considerable, not just a minute, and the OS certainly is involved. Do you
think that programmers do not write code that takes advantage of
developments and improvements in the OS, as well as in the hardware?

I won't comment on the relative speed of an app running under XP versus
Windoze 8. I don't have any machines handy that run either.

Modern programmers actually suck a lot. They use crappy modern versions of
"C" that are nowhere as efficient ias the original "C". There is so much
bloat in the software, and as the OS gets even more bloated to make some
small visual change, the code will bloat even more. when WordPerfect
brought out it's first Windows version, it was 27 MByte and slow as hell.
They cleaned it up a little and got it down to approx 23 mbyte. This is
when disk space cost a $100+ a megabyte. Now with cheap disk space! cheap
PC's there is no incentive to write efficient code. Prime example was
Opera browser, did everything the major browsers did, but way faster, and
way less code. You now need a quad core, multi-gigahertz processor to do
what was done with half the memory, and half the processor speed. Code
bloat. I use an iPad for most things. Power close to an early mainframe.
Does less than 1/2 the stuff it should be able to. Because Apple crippled
it. So you would buy a $2000+ desktop. And lots of software. And why are
breaking the copyright laws ripping movies? An "author" ignoring
copyrights?

On Tue, 01 Apr 2014 13:17:55 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

And why are [you]
breaking the copyright laws ripping movies? An "author" ignoring
copyrights?

===

Harry thinks laws are for other people.

On 4/1/14, 8:59 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Apr 2014 08:24:15 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


I won't comment on the relative speed of an app running under XP versus
Windoze 8. I don't have any machines handy that run either.

Yet you continue to.

I would suggest that until you actually benchmark a few movies, you
are talking out your ass.

The reality is i do not do enough video editing for it to even be a
factor and if the minute or two it takes me dropped to 5 seconds, it
would not change my opinion.
I do know I can encode a typical MP3 cut in about 15 seconds and that
is fast enough for me.



Ahh. The point was not whether what you do with a computer could be done
faster on a more powerful computer with a modern OS. As I stated several
times, I have no idea what you do with a computer beyond running some
weather app and a "jukebox." I mentioned video transcoding because it is
a good test of the OS, the app, and the hardware. There are any number
of other apps that run faster on modern gear.

Apparently what you do doesn't put much stress on your computer setups,
and since you have lots of time to wait, procedures that run faster are
not important to you.

Perhaps you should downgrade to an 8088 system and save electricity.

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Ahh. The point was not whether what you do with a computer could be done
faster on a more powerful computer with a modern OS. As I stated several
times, I have no idea what you do with a computer beyond running some
weather app and a "jukebox." I mentioned video transcoding because it is
a good test of the OS, the app, and the hardware. There are any number
of other apps that run faster on modern gear.

Apparently what you do doesn't put much stress on your computer setups,
and since you have lots of time to wait, procedures that run faster are
not important to you.


I don't do "video transcoding" and never will.
OTOH I'm a gamer.
Macintosh just doesn't cut it.
Windows does.

On 4/1/14, 12:07 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
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Ahh. The point was not whether what you do with a computer could be done
faster on a more powerful computer with a modern OS. As I stated several
times, I have no idea what you do with a computer beyond running some
weather app and a "jukebox." I mentioned video transcoding because it is
a good test of the OS, the app, and the hardware. There are any number
of other apps that run faster on modern gear.

Apparently what you do doesn't put much stress on your computer setups,
and since you have lots of time to wait, procedures that run faster are
not important to you.


I don't do "video transcoding" and never will.
OTOH I'm a gamer.
Macintosh just doesn't cut it.
Windows does.


There's no question that Windows is *the* PC gaming platform of choice.
Have you tried any of the action games via Steam? It seems like an
interesting concept.

I think I have two or three games on my iMac, a pinball game,
Borderlands2 (a fairly recent vintage shoot'em'up) and one other whose
name I cannot recall.

I used to like MS Golf, Doom, and a couple of others when I had a PC.

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There's no question that Windows is *the* PC gaming platform of choice.
Have you tried any of the action games via Steam? It seems like an
interesting concept.


Yes, Steam is practically a prerequite for on-line gaming.
Didn't know Borderlands 2 had a Mac version. Many games don't.
Anyway, I can't imagine buying a Mac unless it met some professional
need. Otherwise it's an overpriced, short-life machine.