On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 06:14:20 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, March 29, 2014 9:45:32 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
...by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the

Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of

these two revolvers:



http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41



http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y



Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I

see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes.



Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here!

I've fired a few rounds from a Judge and it's cool, but I don't see the value. The guy had some .410 shells with three 00 (I think) buckshot in them. At 10 yards they put three nice holes in a 10 inch circle.

BTW, does your gmail address work?

On 3/30/14, 9:39 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 05:49:50 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Sunday, March 30, 2014 5:30:34 AM UTC-7, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 00:00:20 -0400, Earl wrote:



Poquito Loco wrote:

...by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the

Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of

these two revolvers:



http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41



http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y



Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I

see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes.



Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here!

I have that Judge - the 2.5" model. It's a great little gun for home

protection or snakes, too! It will shoot the .45 Colt or the .410

shotgun shells. Go for it! They aren't that expensive.



I'm wondering if the .45ACP capability of the S&W is worth it. How hard is .45 Colt to come by. I

sure don't ever see it in my favorite, most beloved, WalMart store.

Probably harder than you think, and more than you care.

I like the LC but not every place has it because there's not much demand for it.

Well, I see one must use a 'moon clip' to fire the .45ACP rounds in the S&W. Ever used one of those?
Looks like you'd have to slide the rounds in the moon clip, and then slide all the clipped rounds
into the cylinder.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765853_-1_757842_757839_757837_ProductDisplayErrorView_N



You're unfamiliar with moon clips, eh?

That's really funny.

Do you even know what the initialism ACP stands for?

Do you know what the differences are between a .45 ACP round and a .45
LC round? They are substantial in every aspect.

Do you know there are three major varieties of LC round, and the wrong
one might prove disastrous?

Have you ever fired a .45 round in a really light, short-barrel pistol?
It takes a lot of practice to get reliable repeatable results with those
handguns shooting those rounds.

I don't think "The Judge" is an adequate revolver to shoot either those
..410 gauge shotgun shells or the .45 LC rounds.

On 3/30/14, 11:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 05:49:50 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Sunday, March 30, 2014 5:30:34 AM UTC-7, John H. wrote:

I'm wondering if the .45ACP capability of the S&W is worth it. How hard is .45 Colt to come by. I

sure don't ever see it in my favorite, most beloved, WalMart store.

Probably harder than you think, and more than you care.

I like the LC but not every place has it because there's not much demand for it.

I think the attractiveness of .45 ACP is that they tend to go cheaper
than .45 LC

If you shoot a lot, this can make a lot of difference.



The attractiveness of the .45 ACP has a lot to do with the fact that the
round, its size, its casing, its powder charge, were redesigned for
semi-auto pistols, while the .45 LC round is used mostly in revolvers
and "cowboy" style lever-action rifles. There are far more "Automatic
Colt Pistols" in use these days, I would guess, than .45 LC wheel guns.
You are also correct that the ACP rounds are cheaper..about half the
price these days of a LC round.

http://tinyurl.com/kw9qz8b

On Sunday, March 30, 2014 6:39:01 AM UTC-7, John H. wrote:

Well, I see one must use a 'moon clip' to fire the .45ACP rounds in the S&W. Ever used one of those?

Looks like you'd have to slide the rounds in the moon clip, and then slide all the clipped rounds

into the cylinder.



http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765853_-1_757842_757839_757837_ProductDisplayErrorView_N

Yes, the 'moon' clips were originated in WWI so the Brits could fire the .45 ACP in their .45 Webley revolvers. And that's OK for the Judge, but I'd just as soon use .410's if I had one.

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 09:46:49 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Sunday, March 30, 2014 6:39:01 AM UTC-7, John H. wrote:

Well, I see one must use a 'moon clip' to fire the .45ACP rounds in the S&W. Ever used one of those?

Looks like you'd have to slide the rounds in the moon clip, and then slide all the clipped rounds

into the cylinder.



http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765853_-1_757842_757839_757837_ProductDisplayErrorView_N

Yes, the 'moon' clips were originated in WWI so the Brits could fire the .45 ACP in their .45 Webley revolvers. And that's OK for the Judge, but I'd just as soon use .410's if I had one.

I don't think Taurus makes the moon clips for the Judge, as S&W does for the Governor. However, upon
looking, I came across this:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/492...e-package-of-5

I don't know what Taurus says about this. One video says that 'it is not recommended by the weapon
manufacturer. But, they seem to work pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTsLl0eOHwI

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 13:06:17 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 12:56:51 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 09:46:49 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Sunday, March 30, 2014 6:39:01 AM UTC-7, John H. wrote:

Well, I see one must use a 'moon clip' to fire the .45ACP rounds in the S&W. Ever used one of those?

Looks like you'd have to slide the rounds in the moon clip, and then slide all the clipped rounds

into the cylinder.



http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765853_-1_757842_757839_757837_ProductDisplayErrorView_N

Yes, the 'moon' clips were originated in WWI so the Brits could fire the .45 ACP in their .45 Webley revolvers. And that's OK for the Judge, but I'd just as soon use .410's if I had one.

I don't think Taurus makes the moon clips for the Judge, as S&W does for the Governor. However, upon
looking, I came across this:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/492...e-package-of-5

I don't know what Taurus says about this. One video says that 'it is not recommended by the weapon
manufacturer. But, they seem to work pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTsLl0eOHwI

Moon clips may be old school technology but it is basically a speed
loader if they are designed to actually hold the case. You can throw a
cylinder full of rounds in with one move.
You don't even need to remove the loader like you do with one of these

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-HKS586A

I don't have a speed loader for either revolver, and I can't see how it would be any advantage
except in a 'shoot 'em out' situation. Or am I, in my almighty ignorance, missing something here?

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 14:12:56 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 13:38:01 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 13:06:17 -0400, wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTsLl0eOHwI

Moon clips may be old school technology but it is basically a speed
loader if they are designed to actually hold the case. You can throw a
cylinder full of rounds in with one move.
You don't even need to remove the loader like you do with one of these

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-HKS586A

I don't have a speed loader for either revolver, and I can't see how it would be any advantage
except in a 'shoot 'em out' situation. Or am I, in my almighty ignorance, missing something here?

That is what it is all about. The thought is you don't want to be
bumbling around with loose rounds if you have to reload in a hurry.

My thought is, if you really thought you were going to be in that
serious of a social situation, you should have a double stack SA but
that is more movie **** than real life.

Most self defense situations would be handled with one of these

http://doubletapdefense.com/

That looks like it'd getter done!

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 13:38:01 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

I don't have a speed loader for either revolver, and I can't see how it would be any advantage
except in a 'shoot 'em out' situation. Or am I, in my almighty ignorance, missing something here?

===

If you shoot timed competition in a group it is almost mandatory
unless you don't mind keeping everyone else waiting. They will be
unhappy however.

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 14:39:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 13:38:01 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

I don't have a speed loader for either revolver, and I can't see how it would be any advantage
except in a 'shoot 'em out' situation. Or am I, in my almighty ignorance, missing something here?

===

If you shoot timed competition in a group it is almost mandatory
unless you don't mind keeping everyone else waiting. They will be
unhappy however.

That makes good sense. I've never been to a competition. How many speed loaders would have to be
pre-loaded for a competition?

On 3/30/14, 2:58 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 14:39:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 13:38:01 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

I don't have a speed loader for either revolver, and I can't see how it would be any advantage
except in a 'shoot 'em out' situation. Or am I, in my almighty ignorance, missing something here?

===

If you shoot timed competition in a group it is almost mandatory
unless you don't mind keeping everyone else waiting. They will be
unhappy however.

That makes good sense. I've never been to a competition. How many speed loaders would have to be
pre-loaded for a competition?



Depends on the sort of competition and what sort of shot you might be...

This will give you a clue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOy7Fule8eA

If you are shooting USPSA, you want a rig like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KXR2HwUAxQ