On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 04:45:45 -0800 (PST), John H
wrote:

On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:34:08 PM UTC-5, Wayne. B wrote:
On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 21:26:03 -0500, Poco Loco

wrote:



On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 21:01:39 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:



On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 20:52:14 -0500, Poco Loco

wrote:



On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 20:31:27 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:



On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 19:42:53 -0500, KC wrote:



On 3/4/2014 7:27 PM, wrote:

On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 14:58:36 -0500, Wayne.B

wrote:



On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 13:35:51 -0500, Poco Loco

wrote:



On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 13:07:24 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:



On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 11:42:28 -0500, Poco Loco

wrote:



Cute boat: http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...tr-v2-PRB4250B



There, now no one can bitch about the lack of boating content.



I'm about to decide that in order to get into the current crop of RC airplanes, the various

transmitters, electronic speed controls, battery elimination circuits, the lithium polymer batteries

and their chargers, balancers, brushed and brushless motors, etc., one needs an EE degree at a

minimum.



But, I went out a few days ago and watched a few RC airplanes being flown. I've got the bug.



===



This stuff is only going to get better over time. I was looking at a

spec sheet the other day for a thumbnail sized micro chip that

contained not only a 3-axis gyro but also 3-axis accelerometers and a

magnetic compass sensor - everything you need for an inertial

navigation system, automatic flight controls and an auto pilot. The

retail price was only about $40 which blew me away. It's only a small

step from there to creating a helicopter that almost anyone could

learn to fly in very little time.



Like this?



http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...yro-GWSPG03#t3



Note the review.



Here's the technology on airplanes: And, it doesn't add a whole lot to the price of the airplanes.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKA88noI9rY



===



Yes, although I think the chip technology has already advanced well

past that point. It's only a matter of time before it shows up on

real helicopters.





My millionaire Dutch neighbor has a quad rotor that looks like

something the NSA should have. It knows where it is, knows where you

want it to go and knows how to get home if you lose it.

The camera is scary.



He did have to ditch his I phone because it wasn't "hobbyist ready"

and he has a bad assed Samsung.







I got this one with a camera, but it's not very fast and the camera

isn't like your friends I suspect.. We do have a company here that will

come out and film with you for a day with one of those quad copters, but

it's expensive...



===



I had no idea that these things were getting to be this powerful and

this capable:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxoQaaI3-7A



Interesting stuff.



You can get one a lot cheaper that'll fly well. Try HobbyZone.com or Horizon Hobby.



http://secure.hobbyzone.com/rchelis/rchelis_rtf/



===



I'd like one capable of flying an HD camera with remote video feed.



Not sure what you mean by remote video feed. This one allows operation of the camera by the

transmitter - for only $150. Scroll down for a demo.



http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...nology-BLH7480



Start cheap.



===



Probably good advice. :-)



The one that you linked to will record video and store it in the

camera but does not send it back to the ground (remote feed).



How long will it stay aloft? Learning time to fly it competently?

Maximum range?

Here's an ad for one at Amazon.com. Lots of info in the reviews.
http://www.amazon.com/Blade-BLH7880-...rds=350+QX+BNF

===

Thanks, lots of good information and looks like a good value.

On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 5:11:11 PM UTC-5, John H. wrote:

Rancorous, FOAD? Jealous? Something's eating at you, almost continuously. Wonder what it could be?

Jealous ...of course he is.

All krause has is bankruptcy, and a following debt he cannot escape.

On 3/5/2014 2:58 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 14:04:26 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 11:09:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2014 10:26 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 06:30:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/4/2014 10:59 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 19:33:02 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 19:27:07 -0500, wrote:

My millionaire Dutch neighbor has a quad rotor that looks like
something the NSA should have.

===

Someone was flying one of those at the Punta Gorda Jazz Fest last
week. Do you know where to get one and how much they cost?

Not a clue but I think he bought it in Germany. I know he still
tinkers with it a lot. This guy designs medical equipment and he was
working on the camera gimbal the last I heard, changing from a stepper
to a closed loop servo so it would pan smoother.



I don't see the advantage of a servo motor over a stepper in this
application.

A servo moves smoother than a stepper since there are no "steps".


I understand but the big advantage of a servo motor over a stepper is
high torque and at higher speeds. This application doesn't require
either. A geared, 200 pole stepper would be just as smooth, IMO, a lot
cheaper, plus a stepper can also be closed loop. Just my opinion having
used both for various purposes in remote actuators and motion devices
over the years.

If the camera is mounted in a helicopter, why would a servo be needed to pan the camera? Just turn
the helicopter.


You need it if you want to able to shoot obliques.
At a certain point you may want to point at a particular spot and have
the camera track it as you descend and fly around it.



My neighbor (who is also a major computer geek) is big into the RC
flying thing. He's the president of a New England group of RC
enthusiasts and is constantly building new and better airplanes and
helicopters. I was joking with him one day and told him if he had
invested the money in flying lessons that he had in RC aircraft, he'd
have his ticket by now.

It looks like a fun hobby but I know absolutely nothing about it. The
realtor with whom we have our house listed is planning on having a video
tour of our property made once the snow cover is gone and the grass gets
green. He's going to have them fly a video camera equipped helicopter
from the road, up our driveway, over and around the barn, house, pool
and horse paddocks. Should be interesting.

On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 14:58:44 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 14:04:26 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 11:09:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2014 10:26 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 06:30:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/4/2014 10:59 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 19:33:02 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 19:27:07 -0500, wrote:

My millionaire Dutch neighbor has a quad rotor that looks like
something the NSA should have.

===

Someone was flying one of those at the Punta Gorda Jazz Fest last
week. Do you know where to get one and how much they cost?

Not a clue but I think he bought it in Germany. I know he still
tinkers with it a lot. This guy designs medical equipment and he was
working on the camera gimbal the last I heard, changing from a stepper
to a closed loop servo so it would pan smoother.



I don't see the advantage of a servo motor over a stepper in this
application.

A servo moves smoother than a stepper since there are no "steps".


I understand but the big advantage of a servo motor over a stepper is
high torque and at higher speeds. This application doesn't require
either. A geared, 200 pole stepper would be just as smooth, IMO, a lot
cheaper, plus a stepper can also be closed loop. Just my opinion having
used both for various purposes in remote actuators and motion devices
over the years.

If the camera is mounted in a helicopter, why would a servo be needed to pan the camera? Just turn
the helicopter.


You need it if you want to able to shoot obliques.
At a certain point you may want to point at a particular spot and have
the camera track it as you descend and fly around it.

Here's a helicopter with camera.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7hv4oS_M9Y

Here's the helicopter itself.

http://www.helipal.com/trex-450-pro-...FeJF7AodYHIAcA

Scroll down for more info and some good pictures.

On 3/5/2014 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 14:04:26 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 11:09:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2014 10:26 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 06:30:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/4/2014 10:59 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 19:33:02 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 19:27:07 -0500, wrote:

My millionaire Dutch neighbor has a quad rotor that looks like
something the NSA should have.

===

Someone was flying one of those at the Punta Gorda Jazz Fest last
week. Do you know where to get one and how much they cost?

Not a clue but I think he bought it in Germany. I know he still
tinkers with it a lot. This guy designs medical equipment and he was
working on the camera gimbal the last I heard, changing from a stepper
to a closed loop servo so it would pan smoother.



I don't see the advantage of a servo motor over a stepper in this
application.

A servo moves smoother than a stepper since there are no "steps".


I understand but the big advantage of a servo motor over a stepper is
high torque and at higher speeds. This application doesn't require
either. A geared, 200 pole stepper would be just as smooth, IMO, a lot
cheaper, plus a stepper can also be closed loop. Just my opinion having
used both for various purposes in remote actuators and motion devices
over the years.

If the camera is mounted in a helicopter, why would a servo be needed to pan the camera? Just turn
the helicopter.


You need it if you want to able to shoot obliques.
At a certain point you may want to point at a particular spot and have
the camera track it as you descend and fly around it.

The first order of business is to learn to fly the helicopter. Be
prepared to make a few $mistakes$. ;-)

On 3/5/14, 3:57 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 14:58:44 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 14:04:26 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 11:09:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2014 10:26 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 06:30:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/4/2014 10:59 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 19:33:02 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 19:27:07 -0500, wrote:

My millionaire Dutch neighbor has a quad rotor that looks like
something the NSA should have.

===

Someone was flying one of those at the Punta Gorda Jazz Fest last
week. Do you know where to get one and how much they cost?

Not a clue but I think he bought it in Germany. I know he still
tinkers with it a lot. This guy designs medical equipment and he was
working on the camera gimbal the last I heard, changing from a stepper
to a closed loop servo so it would pan smoother.



I don't see the advantage of a servo motor over a stepper in this
application.

A servo moves smoother than a stepper since there are no "steps".


I understand but the big advantage of a servo motor over a stepper is
high torque and at higher speeds. This application doesn't require
either. A geared, 200 pole stepper would be just as smooth, IMO, a lot
cheaper, plus a stepper can also be closed loop. Just my opinion having
used both for various purposes in remote actuators and motion devices
over the years.

If the camera is mounted in a helicopter, why would a servo be needed to pan the camera? Just turn
the helicopter.


You need it if you want to able to shoot obliques.
At a certain point you may want to point at a particular spot and have
the camera track it as you descend and fly around it.

Here's a helicopter with camera.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7hv4oS_M9Y

Here's the helicopter itself.

http://www.helipal.com/trex-450-pro-...FeJF7AodYHIAcA

Scroll down for more info and some good pictures.


Maybe you can use the copter and camera to find the balls you lose off
the fairway.

On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 14:04:26 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

If the camera is mounted in a helicopter, why would a servo be needed to pan the camera? Just turn
the helicopter.

===

Here's one thing that I've learned from my 24 hour crash course:
People say that flying the helicopter at the same time that you're
taking pictures is difficult (easily believable). What they
recommend instead is putting the 'copter into automatic hover mode so
that it holds position by itself. Then you are free to focus on the
photography (no pun intended) as long as you can pan and zoom the
camera. As you well know, I am definitely not an expert but it does
sound reasonable.

On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:17:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2014 2:58 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 14:04:26 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 11:09:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2014 10:26 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 06:30:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/4/2014 10:59 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 19:33:02 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 19:27:07 -0500, wrote:

My millionaire Dutch neighbor has a quad rotor that looks like
something the NSA should have.

===

Someone was flying one of those at the Punta Gorda Jazz Fest last
week. Do you know where to get one and how much they cost?

Not a clue but I think he bought it in Germany. I know he still
tinkers with it a lot. This guy designs medical equipment and he was
working on the camera gimbal the last I heard, changing from a stepper
to a closed loop servo so it would pan smoother.



I don't see the advantage of a servo motor over a stepper in this
application.

A servo moves smoother than a stepper since there are no "steps".


I understand but the big advantage of a servo motor over a stepper is
high torque and at higher speeds. This application doesn't require
either. A geared, 200 pole stepper would be just as smooth, IMO, a lot
cheaper, plus a stepper can also be closed loop. Just my opinion having
used both for various purposes in remote actuators and motion devices
over the years.

If the camera is mounted in a helicopter, why would a servo be needed to pan the camera? Just turn
the helicopter.


You need it if you want to able to shoot obliques.
At a certain point you may want to point at a particular spot and have
the camera track it as you descend and fly around it.



My neighbor (who is also a major computer geek) is big into the RC
flying thing. He's the president of a New England group of RC
enthusiasts and is constantly building new and better airplanes and
helicopters. I was joking with him one day and told him if he had
invested the money in flying lessons that he had in RC aircraft, he'd
have his ticket by now.

It looks like a fun hobby but I know absolutely nothing about it. The
realtor with whom we have our house listed is planning on having a video
tour of our property made once the snow cover is gone and the grass gets
green. He's going to have them fly a video camera equipped helicopter
from the road, up our driveway, over and around the barn, house, pool
and horse paddocks. Should be interesting.


Perhaps this is what he's talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6svIcef5lQ

If you want to go on the cheap and have a few hours to spare, you can build your own.
http://www.stratus-productions.com/frame-kits

Scroll down for the instructions video.

F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/4/14, 8:45 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 17:38:10 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 17:11:11 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Rancorous, FOAD? Jealous? Something's eating at you, almost
continuously. Wonder what it could be?

===

It's always about envy.

I really believe it is.


You've done nothing and have nothing I "envy."
Children who love him? A wife that doesn't keep him in the basement?

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 21:26:03 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 21:01:39 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 20:52:14 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 20:31:27 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 19:42:53 -0500, KC wrote:

On 3/4/2014 7:27 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 14:58:36 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 13:35:51 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 13:07:24 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 11:42:28 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Cute boat: http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...tr-v2-PRB4250B

There, now no one can bitch about the lack of boating content.

I'm about to decide that in order to get into the current crop of RC airplanes, the various
transmitters, electronic speed controls, battery elimination circuits, the lithium polymer batteries
and their chargers, balancers, brushed and brushless motors, etc., one needs an EE degree at a
minimum.

But, I went out a few days ago and watched a few RC airplanes being flown. I've got the bug.
===

This stuff is only going to get better over time. I was looking at a
spec sheet the other day for a thumbnail sized micro chip that
contained not only a 3-axis gyro but also 3-axis accelerometers and a
magnetic compass sensor - everything you need for an inertial
navigation system, automatic flight controls and an auto pilot. The
retail price was only about $40 which blew me away. It's only a small
step from there to creating a helicopter that almost anyone could
learn to fly in very little time.
Like this?

http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...yro-GWSPG03#t3

Note the review.

Here's the technology on airplanes: And, it doesn't add a whole lot to the price of the airplanes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKA88noI9rY
===

Yes, although I think the chip technology has already advanced well
past that point. It's only a matter of time before it shows up on
real helicopters.

My millionaire Dutch neighbor has a quad rotor that looks like
something the NSA should have. It knows where it is, knows where you
want it to go and knows how to get home if you lose it.
The camera is scary.

He did have to ditch his I phone because it wasn't "hobbyist ready"
and he has a bad assed Samsung.


I got this one with a camera, but it's not very fast and the camera
isn't like your friends I suspect.. We do have a company here that will
come out and film with you for a day with one of those quad copters, but
it's expensive...
===

I had no idea that these things were getting to be this powerful and
this capable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxoQaaI3-7A

Interesting stuff.
You can get one a lot cheaper that'll fly well. Try HobbyZone.com or Horizon Hobby.

http://secure.hobbyzone.com/rchelis/rchelis_rtf/
===

I'd like one capable of flying an HD camera with remote video feed.
Not sure what you mean by remote video feed. This one allows operation of the camera by the
transmitter - for only $150. Scroll down for a demo.

http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...nology-BLH7480

Start cheap.
===

Probably good advice. :-)

The one that you linked to will record video and store it in the
camera but does not send it back to the ground (remote feed).

How long will it stay aloft? Learning time to fly it competently?
Maximum range?



Here you go...

http://www.hubsan.com/