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On 2/24/14, 5:00 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:18:14 -0500, KC wrote:

Averted a disaster the other night... Went down stairs about 10 pm to do
a load of laundry and noticed a seal had blown on the pressure guage on
my water system in the basement and was pouring what must have been a
gallon every couple minutes.. I must have found it less than ten minutes
in and capped it off before my basement flooded.. it was just one of
those things. If I had not done laundry that night, my house would be
****ed right now...

I have been fighting a new Hayward filter for my spa. This thing seems
to have some oversized 1.5" NPT hubs on it and you can't get a regular
male adapter to seal.
I have cut the plumbing open and replaced it about 5 times so far.
Last time I went with schedule 80 pipe nipples with 1/4" cut off the
end that I could run in a little farther than a regular fitting with
a shoulder on it and that seems to be working.

You could always hire a competent plumber, but, of course, you prefer
tinkering.

Mr. Luddite

On 2/24/2014 5:12 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/24/14, 5:00 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:18:14 -0500, KC wrote:

Averted a disaster the other night... Went down stairs about 10 pm to do
a load of laundry and noticed a seal had blown on the pressure guage on
my water system in the basement and was pouring what must have been a
gallon every couple minutes.. I must have found it less than ten minutes
in and capped it off before my basement flooded.. it was just one of
those things. If I had not done laundry that night, my house would be
****ed right now...

I have been fighting a new Hayward filter for my spa. This thing seems
to have some oversized 1.5" NPT hubs on it and you can't get a regular
male adapter to seal.
I have cut the plumbing open and replaced it about 5 times so far.
Last time I went with schedule 80 pipe nipples with 1/4" cut off the
end that I could run in a little farther than a regular fitting with
a shoulder on it and that seems to be working.

You could always hire a competent plumber, but, of course, you prefer
tinkering.

I've shared Gregg's problem. I replaced our pool pump last year and
had a heck of a time re-seating the threaded PVC fittings into the
filter housing with no leaks. I don't think the plastic housing used on
the filter is the same type of plastic as the PVC coupling fitting. It
wasn't a huge, squirting leak. It was just weeping. I mentioned it to
the guy we get our pool supplies from and he said I should have just cut
the coupling off and replaced it with a new one. Apparently the threads
distort and really can't be reused successfully.

Mr. Luddite

On 2/24/2014 6:23 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:34:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/24/2014 5:12 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/24/14, 5:00 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:18:14 -0500, KC wrote:

Averted a disaster the other night... Went down stairs about 10 pm to do
a load of laundry and noticed a seal had blown on the pressure guage on
my water system in the basement and was pouring what must have been a
gallon every couple minutes.. I must have found it less than ten minutes
in and capped it off before my basement flooded.. it was just one of
those things. If I had not done laundry that night, my house would be
****ed right now...

I have been fighting a new Hayward filter for my spa. This thing seems
to have some oversized 1.5" NPT hubs on it and you can't get a regular
male adapter to seal.
I have cut the plumbing open and replaced it about 5 times so far.
Last time I went with schedule 80 pipe nipples with 1/4" cut off the
end that I could run in a little farther than a regular fitting with
a shoulder on it and that seems to be working.

You could always hire a competent plumber, but, of course, you prefer
tinkering.

I've shared Gregg's problem. I replaced our pool pump last year and
had a heck of a time re-seating the threaded PVC fittings into the
filter housing with no leaks. I don't think the plastic housing used on
the filter is the same type of plastic as the PVC coupling fitting. It
wasn't a huge, squirting leak. It was just weeping. I mentioned it to
the guy we get our pool supplies from and he said I should have just cut
the coupling off and replaced it with a new one. Apparently the threads
distort and really can't be reused successfully.

I was using brand new male adapters (two different brands) and the
shoulder bottomed out before the tapered threads sealed.
No joy with the recommended 3 wraps of teflon tape, 6 wraps or the
paste. I also tried O rings at the shoulders and by the time I got the
fitting tight enough to seat the O ring, the fitting cracked at the
threaded part.

As mentioned in another post, teflon tape is tricky. You have to make
sure you wrap it in the opposite direction that the threads will turn
when tightening the fitting. Otherwise, it will bunch up on itself,
causing irregularities in the seal. The natural tendency is to wrap it
in the wrong direction.

Hank

On 2/24/2014 5:12 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/24/14, 5:00 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:18:14 -0500, KC wrote:

Averted a disaster the other night... Went down stairs about 10 pm to do
a load of laundry and noticed a seal had blown on the pressure guage on
my water system in the basement and was pouring what must have been a
gallon every couple minutes.. I must have found it less than ten minutes
in and capped it off before my basement flooded.. it was just one of
those things. If I had not done laundry that night, my house would be
****ed right now...

I have been fighting a new Hayward filter for my spa. This thing seems
to have some oversized 1.5" NPT hubs on it and you can't get a regular
male adapter to seal.
I have cut the plumbing open and replaced it about 5 times so far.
Last time I went with schedule 80 pipe nipples with 1/4" cut off the
end that I could run in a little farther than a regular fitting with
a shoulder on it and that seems to be working.

You could always hire a competent plumber, but, of course, you prefer
tinkering.

I had a Hayward plumbing fitment problem last year. The pool Supply
store had what was needed.

F*O*A*D

On 2/24/14, 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:12:01 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/24/14, 5:00 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:18:14 -0500, KC wrote:

Averted a disaster the other night... Went down stairs about 10 pm to do
a load of laundry and noticed a seal had blown on the pressure guage on
my water system in the basement and was pouring what must have been a
gallon every couple minutes.. I must have found it less than ten minutes
in and capped it off before my basement flooded.. it was just one of
those things. If I had not done laundry that night, my house would be
****ed right now...

I have been fighting a new Hayward filter for my spa. This thing seems
to have some oversized 1.5" NPT hubs on it and you can't get a regular
male adapter to seal.
I have cut the plumbing open and replaced it about 5 times so far.
Last time I went with schedule 80 pipe nipples with 1/4" cut off the
end that I could run in a little farther than a regular fitting with
a shoulder on it and that seems to be working.

You could always hire a competent plumber, but, of course, you prefer
tinkering.

The problem is not the plumber, it is the material. If the fittings do
not mate properly, no amount of skill would fix it. I suppose I could
have glued it up as a "pool plumber" actually advised but then you are
****ed if you have to take it apart again. Instead of a dollar
fitting, you are buying a $250 filter housing.

BTW your regular plumber is not really a pool plumber anyway. They
really don't like screwing with them. Pool plumbers tend to be the kid
at the pool store who got in the business because he likes the smell
of the glue.
The builder my wife worked for (Centex) had their own pool company and
I was not impressed with the people working there.

Well, I will gladly plead ignorance about pools and pool maintenance.
Whenever we do a significant "home improvement" here, I always take into
account how much work it will generate for regular maintenance.
That's why I don't have underground sprinklers. Everyone I see around
here who has such a system has frequent visits from the underground
sprinkler install/maintain companies. I think pools fall into the same
category...lots of maintenance.

Mr. Luddite

On 2/24/2014 5:54 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/24/14, 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:12:01 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/24/14, 5:00 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:18:14 -0500, KC wrote:

Averted a disaster the other night... Went down stairs about 10 pm
to do
a load of laundry and noticed a seal had blown on the pressure
guage on
my water system in the basement and was pouring what must have been a
gallon every couple minutes.. I must have found it less than ten
minutes
in and capped it off before my basement flooded.. it was just one of
those things. If I had not done laundry that night, my house would be
****ed right now...

I have been fighting a new Hayward filter for my spa. This thing seems
to have some oversized 1.5" NPT hubs on it and you can't get a regular
male adapter to seal.
I have cut the plumbing open and replaced it about 5 times so far.
Last time I went with schedule 80 pipe nipples with 1/4" cut off the
end that I could run in a little farther than a regular fitting with
a shoulder on it and that seems to be working.

You could always hire a competent plumber, but, of course, you prefer
tinkering.

The problem is not the plumber, it is the material. If the fittings do
not mate properly, no amount of skill would fix it. I suppose I could
have glued it up as a "pool plumber" actually advised but then you are
****ed if you have to take it apart again. Instead of a dollar
fitting, you are buying a $250 filter housing.

BTW your regular plumber is not really a pool plumber anyway. They
really don't like screwing with them. Pool plumbers tend to be the kid
at the pool store who got in the business because he likes the smell
of the glue.
The builder my wife worked for (Centex) had their own pool company and
I was not impressed with the people working there.

Well, I will gladly plead ignorance about pools and pool maintenance.
Whenever we do a significant "home improvement" here, I always take into
account how much work it will generate for regular maintenance.
That's why I don't have underground sprinklers. Everyone I see around
here who has such a system has frequent visits from the underground
sprinkler install/maintain companies. I think pools fall into the same
category...lots of maintenance.

I have no particular affection for having a pool but after having four
of them in different houses, I have to admit that technology has made
routine maintenance chores almost non-existent. Automatic chlorine
generators (using salt) and a microprocessor than monitors and controls
it's operation has made the requirement for weekly chemical tests and
making constant adjustments obsolete. The pool we have takes some
cleanup when opened in the spring (because of our location) but after it
is up and running, that's about all we have to do for the summer. We
have the water tested 2 or 3 times during the season just to be sure
everything is ok and it always is. We also invested in a "Shark" that
automatically scoots around the pool bottom and sides, picking up any
debris that may have fallen in and settled. I change the diatomaceous
earth filter media two or three times during the start-up, but again,
once the pool is clear and clean, it's good for pretty much the whole
season.

Not like the old chlorine pools we had before.

F*O*A*D

On 2/24/14, 6:28 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/24/2014 5:54 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/24/14, 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:12:01 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/24/14, 5:00 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:18:14 -0500, KC wrote:

Averted a disaster the other night... Went down stairs about 10 pm
to do
a load of laundry and noticed a seal had blown on the pressure
guage on
my water system in the basement and was pouring what must have been a
gallon every couple minutes.. I must have found it less than ten
minutes
in and capped it off before my basement flooded.. it was just one of
those things. If I had not done laundry that night, my house would be
****ed right now...

I have been fighting a new Hayward filter for my spa. This thing seems
to have some oversized 1.5" NPT hubs on it and you can't get a regular
male adapter to seal.
I have cut the plumbing open and replaced it about 5 times so far.
Last time I went with schedule 80 pipe nipples with 1/4" cut off the
end that I could run in a little farther than a regular fitting with
a shoulder on it and that seems to be working.

You could always hire a competent plumber, but, of course, you prefer
tinkering.

The problem is not the plumber, it is the material. If the fittings do
not mate properly, no amount of skill would fix it. I suppose I could
have glued it up as a "pool plumber" actually advised but then you are
****ed if you have to take it apart again. Instead of a dollar
fitting, you are buying a $250 filter housing.

BTW your regular plumber is not really a pool plumber anyway. They
really don't like screwing with them. Pool plumbers tend to be the kid
at the pool store who got in the business because he likes the smell
of the glue.
The builder my wife worked for (Centex) had their own pool company and
I was not impressed with the people working there.

Well, I will gladly plead ignorance about pools and pool maintenance.
Whenever we do a significant "home improvement" here, I always take into
account how much work it will generate for regular maintenance.
That's why I don't have underground sprinklers. Everyone I see around
here who has such a system has frequent visits from the underground
sprinkler install/maintain companies. I think pools fall into the same
category...lots of maintenance.

I have no particular affection for having a pool but after having four
of them in different houses, I have to admit that technology has made
routine maintenance chores almost non-existent. Automatic chlorine
generators (using salt) and a microprocessor than monitors and controls
it's operation has made the requirement for weekly chemical tests and
making constant adjustments obsolete. The pool we have takes some
cleanup when opened in the spring (because of our location) but after it
is up and running, that's about all we have to do for the summer. We
have the water tested 2 or 3 times during the season just to be sure
everything is ok and it always is. We also invested in a "Shark" that
automatically scoots around the pool bottom and sides, picking up any
debris that may have fallen in and settled. I change the diatomaceous
earth filter media two or three times during the start-up, but again,
once the pool is clear and clean, it's good for pretty much the whole
season.

Not like the old chlorine pools we had before.

Oh, and I don't like to swim in pools, either. Or lakes. Or Chesapeake
Bay. The ocean is about it for me. I don't know why that is.

Never liked the chlorine in pools. Are you saying it isn't used anymore?
That's a step in the right direction!

Mr. Luddite

On 2/24/2014 6:32 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/24/14, 6:28 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/24/2014 5:54 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/24/14, 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:12:01 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/24/14, 5:00 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:18:14 -0500, KC wrote:

Averted a disaster the other night... Went down stairs about 10 pm
to do
a load of laundry and noticed a seal had blown on the pressure
guage on
my water system in the basement and was pouring what must have
been a
gallon every couple minutes.. I must have found it less than ten
minutes
in and capped it off before my basement flooded.. it was just one of
those things. If I had not done laundry that night, my house
would be
****ed right now...

I have been fighting a new Hayward filter for my spa. This thing
seems
to have some oversized 1.5" NPT hubs on it and you can't get a
regular
male adapter to seal.
I have cut the plumbing open and replaced it about 5 times so far.
Last time I went with schedule 80 pipe nipples with 1/4" cut off the
end that I could run in a little farther than a regular fitting with
a shoulder on it and that seems to be working.

You could always hire a competent plumber, but, of course, you prefer
tinkering.

The problem is not the plumber, it is the material. If the fittings do
not mate properly, no amount of skill would fix it. I suppose I could
have glued it up as a "pool plumber" actually advised but then you are
****ed if you have to take it apart again. Instead of a dollar
fitting, you are buying a $250 filter housing.

BTW your regular plumber is not really a pool plumber anyway. They
really don't like screwing with them. Pool plumbers tend to be the kid
at the pool store who got in the business because he likes the smell
of the glue.
The builder my wife worked for (Centex) had their own pool company and
I was not impressed with the people working there.

Well, I will gladly plead ignorance about pools and pool maintenance.
Whenever we do a significant "home improvement" here, I always take into
account how much work it will generate for regular maintenance.
That's why I don't have underground sprinklers. Everyone I see around
here who has such a system has frequent visits from the underground
sprinkler install/maintain companies. I think pools fall into the same
category...lots of maintenance.

I have no particular affection for having a pool but after having four
of them in different houses, I have to admit that technology has made
routine maintenance chores almost non-existent. Automatic chlorine
generators (using salt) and a microprocessor than monitors and controls
it's operation has made the requirement for weekly chemical tests and
making constant adjustments obsolete. The pool we have takes some
cleanup when opened in the spring (because of our location) but after it
is up and running, that's about all we have to do for the summer. We
have the water tested 2 or 3 times during the season just to be sure
everything is ok and it always is. We also invested in a "Shark" that
automatically scoots around the pool bottom and sides, picking up any
debris that may have fallen in and settled. I change the diatomaceous
earth filter media two or three times during the start-up, but again,
once the pool is clear and clean, it's good for pretty much the whole
season.

Not like the old chlorine pools we had before.

Oh, and I don't like to swim in pools, either. Or lakes. Or Chesapeake
Bay. The ocean is about it for me. I don't know why that is.

Never liked the chlorine in pools. Are you saying it isn't used anymore?
That's a step in the right direction!

Chlorine is still used but in most newer pools it is generated by
electrically disassociating salt. So, you don't add chlorine or
chlorine tablets. You add salt. Bags of it.

When running properly, you can't smell or detect any chlorine presence.
The system controls the required chlorination much more accurately than
by using tablets or liquid. Plus, for some reason I don't totally
understand, a chlorine by salt pool has a silky feel to the water.

I love the ocean as well but a properly operating pool is a lot more
sanitary.

Hank

On 2/24/2014 6:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/24/2014 6:32 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/24/14, 6:28 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/24/2014 5:54 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/24/14, 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:12:01 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/24/14, 5:00 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:18:14 -0500, KC
wrote:

Averted a disaster the other night... Went down stairs about 10 pm
to do
a load of laundry and noticed a seal had blown on the pressure
guage on
my water system in the basement and was pouring what must have
been a
gallon every couple minutes.. I must have found it less than ten
minutes
in and capped it off before my basement flooded.. it was just
one of
those things. If I had not done laundry that night, my house
would be
****ed right now...

I have been fighting a new Hayward filter for my spa. This thing
seems
to have some oversized 1.5" NPT hubs on it and you can't get a
regular
male adapter to seal.
I have cut the plumbing open and replaced it about 5 times so far.
Last time I went with schedule 80 pipe nipples with 1/4" cut off the
end that I could run in a little farther than a regular fitting
with
a shoulder on it and that seems to be working.

You could always hire a competent plumber, but, of course, you prefer
tinkering.

The problem is not the plumber, it is the material. If the fittings do
not mate properly, no amount of skill would fix it. I suppose I could
have glued it up as a "pool plumber" actually advised but then you are
****ed if you have to take it apart again. Instead of a dollar
fitting, you are buying a $250 filter housing.

BTW your regular plumber is not really a pool plumber anyway. They
really don't like screwing with them. Pool plumbers tend to be the kid
at the pool store who got in the business because he likes the smell
of the glue.
The builder my wife worked for (Centex) had their own pool company and
I was not impressed with the people working there.

Well, I will gladly plead ignorance about pools and pool maintenance.
Whenever we do a significant "home improvement" here, I always take
into
account how much work it will generate for regular maintenance.
That's why I don't have underground sprinklers. Everyone I see around
here who has such a system has frequent visits from the underground
sprinkler install/maintain companies. I think pools fall into the same
category...lots of maintenance.

I have no particular affection for having a pool but after having four
of them in different houses, I have to admit that technology has made
routine maintenance chores almost non-existent. Automatic chlorine
generators (using salt) and a microprocessor than monitors and controls
it's operation has made the requirement for weekly chemical tests and
making constant adjustments obsolete. The pool we have takes some
cleanup when opened in the spring (because of our location) but after it
is up and running, that's about all we have to do for the summer. We
have the water tested 2 or 3 times during the season just to be sure
everything is ok and it always is. We also invested in a "Shark" that
automatically scoots around the pool bottom and sides, picking up any
debris that may have fallen in and settled. I change the diatomaceous
earth filter media two or three times during the start-up, but again,
once the pool is clear and clean, it's good for pretty much the whole
season.

Not like the old chlorine pools we had before.

Oh, and I don't like to swim in pools, either. Or lakes. Or Chesapeake
Bay. The ocean is about it for me. I don't know why that is.

Never liked the chlorine in pools. Are you saying it isn't used anymore?
That's a step in the right direction!

Chlorine is still used but in most newer pools it is generated by
electrically disassociating salt. So, you don't add chlorine or
chlorine tablets. You add salt. Bags of it.

When running properly, you can't smell or detect any chlorine presence.
The system controls the required chlorination much more accurately than
by using tablets or liquid. Plus, for some reason I don't totally
understand, a chlorine by salt pool has a silky feel to the water.

I love the ocean as well but a properly operating pool is a lot more
sanitary.

Think water softener salt.

KC

On 2/24/2014 7:15 PM, HanK wrote:
On 2/24/2014 6:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/24/2014 6:32 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/24/14, 6:28 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/24/2014 5:54 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/24/14, 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:12:01 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/24/14, 5:00 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:18:14 -0500, KC
wrote:

Averted a disaster the other night... Went down stairs about 10 pm
to do
a load of laundry and noticed a seal had blown on the pressure
guage on
my water system in the basement and was pouring what must have
been a
gallon every couple minutes.. I must have found it less than ten
minutes
in and capped it off before my basement flooded.. it was just
one of
those things. If I had not done laundry that night, my house
would be
****ed right now...

I have been fighting a new Hayward filter for my spa. This thing
seems
to have some oversized 1.5" NPT hubs on it and you can't get a
regular
male adapter to seal.
I have cut the plumbing open and replaced it about 5 times so far.
Last time I went with schedule 80 pipe nipples with 1/4" cut off
the
end that I could run in a little farther than a regular fitting
with
a shoulder on it and that seems to be working.

You could always hire a competent plumber, but, of course, you
prefer
tinkering.

The problem is not the plumber, it is the material. If the
fittings do
not mate properly, no amount of skill would fix it. I suppose I could
have glued it up as a "pool plumber" actually advised but then you
are
****ed if you have to take it apart again. Instead of a dollar
fitting, you are buying a $250 filter housing.

BTW your regular plumber is not really a pool plumber anyway. They
really don't like screwing with them. Pool plumbers tend to be the
kid
at the pool store who got in the business because he likes the smell
of the glue.
The builder my wife worked for (Centex) had their own pool company
and
I was not impressed with the people working there.

Well, I will gladly plead ignorance about pools and pool maintenance.
Whenever we do a significant "home improvement" here, I always take
into
account how much work it will generate for regular maintenance.
That's why I don't have underground sprinklers. Everyone I see around
here who has such a system has frequent visits from the underground
sprinkler install/maintain companies. I think pools fall into the same
category...lots of maintenance.

I have no particular affection for having a pool but after having four
of them in different houses, I have to admit that technology has made
routine maintenance chores almost non-existent. Automatic chlorine
generators (using salt) and a microprocessor than monitors and
controls
it's operation has made the requirement for weekly chemical tests and
making constant adjustments obsolete. The pool we have takes some
cleanup when opened in the spring (because of our location) but
after it
is up and running, that's about all we have to do for the summer. We
have the water tested 2 or 3 times during the season just to be sure
everything is ok and it always is. We also invested in a "Shark" that
automatically scoots around the pool bottom and sides, picking up any
debris that may have fallen in and settled. I change the diatomaceous
earth filter media two or three times during the start-up, but again,
once the pool is clear and clean, it's good for pretty much the whole
season.

Not like the old chlorine pools we had before.

Oh, and I don't like to swim in pools, either. Or lakes. Or Chesapeake
Bay. The ocean is about it for me. I don't know why that is.

Never liked the chlorine in pools. Are you saying it isn't used anymore?
That's a step in the right direction!

Chlorine is still used but in most newer pools it is generated by
electrically disassociating salt. So, you don't add chlorine or
chlorine tablets. You add salt. Bags of it.

When running properly, you can't smell or detect any chlorine presence.
The system controls the required chlorination much more accurately than
by using tablets or liquid. Plus, for some reason I don't totally
understand, a chlorine by salt pool has a silky feel to the water.

I love the ocean as well but a properly operating pool is a lot more
sanitary.

Think water softener salt.

It's awesome swimming in the salted water in our pool...

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