On 2/24/2014 5:00 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:18:14 -0500, KC wrote:


Averted a disaster the other night... Went down stairs about 10 pm to do
a load of laundry and noticed a seal had blown on the pressure guage on
my water system in the basement and was pouring what must have been a
gallon every couple minutes.. I must have found it less than ten minutes
in and capped it off before my basement flooded.. it was just one of
those things. If I had not done laundry that night, my house would be
****ed right now...


I have been fighting a new Hayward filter for my spa. This thing seems
to have some oversized 1.5" NPT hubs on it and you can't get a regular
male adapter to seal.
I have cut the plumbing open and replaced it about 5 times so far.
Last time I went with schedule 80 pipe nipples with 1/4" cut off the
end that I could run in a little farther than a regular fitting with
a shoulder on it and that seems to be working.



This stuff in a pinch is absolutly the most valuable tool in my plumbing
pouch. I keep one in the truck one in the camper.. etc.. the stuff will
work in any conditions, any time, any place, and I have a couple repairs
I did in Essex nearly 10 years ago that haven't dropped a drop till last
summer when I took the lengths of pipe out and replaced them....

http://www.lowes.com/pd_26668-66601-...ductId=1076397

Just get a pack next time you are out, it's like having a cool glue in
your drawer, it WILL come in handy someday...

On 2/24/2014 5:12 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/24/14, 5:00 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:18:14 -0500, KC wrote:


Averted a disaster the other night... Went down stairs about 10 pm to do
a load of laundry and noticed a seal had blown on the pressure guage on
my water system in the basement and was pouring what must have been a
gallon every couple minutes.. I must have found it less than ten minutes
in and capped it off before my basement flooded.. it was just one of
those things. If I had not done laundry that night, my house would be
****ed right now...


I have been fighting a new Hayward filter for my spa. This thing seems
to have some oversized 1.5" NPT hubs on it and you can't get a regular
male adapter to seal.
I have cut the plumbing open and replaced it about 5 times so far.
Last time I went with schedule 80 pipe nipples with 1/4" cut off the
end that I could run in a little farther than a regular fitting with
a shoulder on it and that seems to be working.



You could always hire a competent plumber, but, of course, you prefer
tinkering.

I've shared Gregg's problem. I replaced our pool pump last year and
had a heck of a time re-seating the threaded PVC fittings into the
filter housing with no leaks. I don't think the plastic housing used on
the filter is the same type of plastic as the PVC coupling fitting. It
wasn't a huge, squirting leak. It was just weeping. I mentioned it to
the guy we get our pool supplies from and he said I should have just cut
the coupling off and replaced it with a new one. Apparently the threads
distort and really can't be reused successfully.

On 2/24/2014 5:12 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/24/14, 5:00 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:18:14 -0500, KC wrote:


Averted a disaster the other night... Went down stairs about 10 pm to do
a load of laundry and noticed a seal had blown on the pressure guage on
my water system in the basement and was pouring what must have been a
gallon every couple minutes.. I must have found it less than ten minutes
in and capped it off before my basement flooded.. it was just one of
those things. If I had not done laundry that night, my house would be
****ed right now...


I have been fighting a new Hayward filter for my spa. This thing seems
to have some oversized 1.5" NPT hubs on it and you can't get a regular
male adapter to seal.
I have cut the plumbing open and replaced it about 5 times so far.
Last time I went with schedule 80 pipe nipples with 1/4" cut off the
end that I could run in a little farther than a regular fitting with
a shoulder on it and that seems to be working.



You could always hire a competent plumber, but, of course, you prefer
tinkering.

I had a Hayward plumbing fitment problem last year. The pool Supply
store had what was needed.

On 2/24/14, 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:12:01 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/24/14, 5:00 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:18:14 -0500, KC wrote:


Averted a disaster the other night... Went down stairs about 10 pm to do
a load of laundry and noticed a seal had blown on the pressure guage on
my water system in the basement and was pouring what must have been a
gallon every couple minutes.. I must have found it less than ten minutes
in and capped it off before my basement flooded.. it was just one of
those things. If I had not done laundry that night, my house would be
****ed right now...


I have been fighting a new Hayward filter for my spa. This thing seems
to have some oversized 1.5" NPT hubs on it and you can't get a regular
male adapter to seal.
I have cut the plumbing open and replaced it about 5 times so far.
Last time I went with schedule 80 pipe nipples with 1/4" cut off the
end that I could run in a little farther than a regular fitting with
a shoulder on it and that seems to be working.



You could always hire a competent plumber, but, of course, you prefer
tinkering.

The problem is not the plumber, it is the material. If the fittings do
not mate properly, no amount of skill would fix it. I suppose I could
have glued it up as a "pool plumber" actually advised but then you are
****ed if you have to take it apart again. Instead of a dollar
fitting, you are buying a $250 filter housing.

BTW your regular plumber is not really a pool plumber anyway. They
really don't like screwing with them. Pool plumbers tend to be the kid
at the pool store who got in the business because he likes the smell
of the glue.
The builder my wife worked for (Centex) had their own pool company and
I was not impressed with the people working there.



Well, I will gladly plead ignorance about pools and pool maintenance.
Whenever we do a significant "home improvement" here, I always take into
account how much work it will generate for regular maintenance.
That's why I don't have underground sprinklers. Everyone I see around
here who has such a system has frequent visits from the underground
sprinkler install/maintain companies. I think pools fall into the same
category...lots of maintenance.

On 2/24/2014 5:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:46:48 -0500, wrote:

I am starting to prefer the teflon paste.

===

Yes. I just finished a fairly complex plumbing job on the boat (new
distribution manifold for 4 zones of A/C cooling water). It has more
than 15 individual pipe joints and is driven by a 1 hp pool pump so
there is lots of pressure and lots of opportunity for leaks. Knock
on wood, everything worked fine with no leaks first time it was
powered up. I've always used teflon tape previously but I've had my
share of failed joints with that.


Teflon tape is tricky to use properly. It is often used in the high
vacuum industry for all the feedthrough fittings that need to seal
against a vacuum equivalent to 200 miles in space to atmospheric
pressure. Too little tape, it leaks. To much it leaks. One secret is
to wrap it in the direction of the thread, so when you are tightening
the connection fitting, the tape is not being stretched back against itself.

We couldn't use Teflon paste because it never completely cures and would
outgas into the vacuum.

On 2/24/2014 5:54 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/24/14, 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:12:01 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/24/14, 5:00 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:18:14 -0500, KC wrote:


Averted a disaster the other night... Went down stairs about 10 pm
to do
a load of laundry and noticed a seal had blown on the pressure
guage on
my water system in the basement and was pouring what must have been a
gallon every couple minutes.. I must have found it less than ten
minutes
in and capped it off before my basement flooded.. it was just one of
those things. If I had not done laundry that night, my house would be
****ed right now...


I have been fighting a new Hayward filter for my spa. This thing seems
to have some oversized 1.5" NPT hubs on it and you can't get a regular
male adapter to seal.
I have cut the plumbing open and replaced it about 5 times so far.
Last time I went with schedule 80 pipe nipples with 1/4" cut off the
end that I could run in a little farther than a regular fitting with
a shoulder on it and that seems to be working.



You could always hire a competent plumber, but, of course, you prefer
tinkering.

The problem is not the plumber, it is the material. If the fittings do
not mate properly, no amount of skill would fix it. I suppose I could
have glued it up as a "pool plumber" actually advised but then you are
****ed if you have to take it apart again. Instead of a dollar
fitting, you are buying a $250 filter housing.

BTW your regular plumber is not really a pool plumber anyway. They
really don't like screwing with them. Pool plumbers tend to be the kid
at the pool store who got in the business because he likes the smell
of the glue.
The builder my wife worked for (Centex) had their own pool company and
I was not impressed with the people working there.



Well, I will gladly plead ignorance about pools and pool maintenance.
Whenever we do a significant "home improvement" here, I always take into
account how much work it will generate for regular maintenance.
That's why I don't have underground sprinklers. Everyone I see around
here who has such a system has frequent visits from the underground
sprinkler install/maintain companies. I think pools fall into the same
category...lots of maintenance.


I have no particular affection for having a pool but after having four
of them in different houses, I have to admit that technology has made
routine maintenance chores almost non-existent. Automatic chlorine
generators (using salt) and a microprocessor than monitors and controls
it's operation has made the requirement for weekly chemical tests and
making constant adjustments obsolete. The pool we have takes some
cleanup when opened in the spring (because of our location) but after it
is up and running, that's about all we have to do for the summer. We
have the water tested 2 or 3 times during the season just to be sure
everything is ok and it always is. We also invested in a "Shark" that
automatically scoots around the pool bottom and sides, picking up any
debris that may have fallen in and settled. I change the diatomaceous
earth filter media two or three times during the start-up, but again,
once the pool is clear and clean, it's good for pretty much the whole
season.

Not like the old chlorine pools we had before.

On 2/24/14, 6:28 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/24/2014 5:54 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/24/14, 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:12:01 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/24/14, 5:00 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:18:14 -0500, KC wrote:


Averted a disaster the other night... Went down stairs about 10 pm
to do
a load of laundry and noticed a seal had blown on the pressure
guage on
my water system in the basement and was pouring what must have been a
gallon every couple minutes.. I must have found it less than ten
minutes
in and capped it off before my basement flooded.. it was just one of
those things. If I had not done laundry that night, my house would be
****ed right now...


I have been fighting a new Hayward filter for my spa. This thing seems
to have some oversized 1.5" NPT hubs on it and you can't get a regular
male adapter to seal.
I have cut the plumbing open and replaced it about 5 times so far.
Last time I went with schedule 80 pipe nipples with 1/4" cut off the
end that I could run in a little farther than a regular fitting with
a shoulder on it and that seems to be working.



You could always hire a competent plumber, but, of course, you prefer
tinkering.

The problem is not the plumber, it is the material. If the fittings do
not mate properly, no amount of skill would fix it. I suppose I could
have glued it up as a "pool plumber" actually advised but then you are
****ed if you have to take it apart again. Instead of a dollar
fitting, you are buying a $250 filter housing.

BTW your regular plumber is not really a pool plumber anyway. They
really don't like screwing with them. Pool plumbers tend to be the kid
at the pool store who got in the business because he likes the smell
of the glue.
The builder my wife worked for (Centex) had their own pool company and
I was not impressed with the people working there.



Well, I will gladly plead ignorance about pools and pool maintenance.
Whenever we do a significant "home improvement" here, I always take into
account how much work it will generate for regular maintenance.
That's why I don't have underground sprinklers. Everyone I see around
here who has such a system has frequent visits from the underground
sprinkler install/maintain companies. I think pools fall into the same
category...lots of maintenance.


I have no particular affection for having a pool but after having four
of them in different houses, I have to admit that technology has made
routine maintenance chores almost non-existent. Automatic chlorine
generators (using salt) and a microprocessor than monitors and controls
it's operation has made the requirement for weekly chemical tests and
making constant adjustments obsolete. The pool we have takes some
cleanup when opened in the spring (because of our location) but after it
is up and running, that's about all we have to do for the summer. We
have the water tested 2 or 3 times during the season just to be sure
everything is ok and it always is. We also invested in a "Shark" that
automatically scoots around the pool bottom and sides, picking up any
debris that may have fallen in and settled. I change the diatomaceous
earth filter media two or three times during the start-up, but again,
once the pool is clear and clean, it's good for pretty much the whole
season.

Not like the old chlorine pools we had before.



Oh, and I don't like to swim in pools, either. Or lakes. Or Chesapeake
Bay. The ocean is about it for me. I don't know why that is.

Never liked the chlorine in pools. Are you saying it isn't used anymore?
That's a step in the right direction!

On 2/24/2014 6:23 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:34:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/24/2014 5:12 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/24/14, 5:00 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:18:14 -0500, KC wrote:


Averted a disaster the other night... Went down stairs about 10 pm to do
a load of laundry and noticed a seal had blown on the pressure guage on
my water system in the basement and was pouring what must have been a
gallon every couple minutes.. I must have found it less than ten minutes
in and capped it off before my basement flooded.. it was just one of
those things. If I had not done laundry that night, my house would be
****ed right now...


I have been fighting a new Hayward filter for my spa. This thing seems
to have some oversized 1.5" NPT hubs on it and you can't get a regular
male adapter to seal.
I have cut the plumbing open and replaced it about 5 times so far.
Last time I went with schedule 80 pipe nipples with 1/4" cut off the
end that I could run in a little farther than a regular fitting with
a shoulder on it and that seems to be working.



You could always hire a competent plumber, but, of course, you prefer
tinkering.

I've shared Gregg's problem. I replaced our pool pump last year and
had a heck of a time re-seating the threaded PVC fittings into the
filter housing with no leaks. I don't think the plastic housing used on
the filter is the same type of plastic as the PVC coupling fitting. It
wasn't a huge, squirting leak. It was just weeping. I mentioned it to
the guy we get our pool supplies from and he said I should have just cut
the coupling off and replaced it with a new one. Apparently the threads
distort and really can't be reused successfully.



I was using brand new male adapters (two different brands) and the
shoulder bottomed out before the tapered threads sealed.
No joy with the recommended 3 wraps of teflon tape, 6 wraps or the
paste. I also tried O rings at the shoulders and by the time I got the
fitting tight enough to seat the O ring, the fitting cracked at the
threaded part.



As mentioned in another post, teflon tape is tricky. You have to make
sure you wrap it in the opposite direction that the threads will turn
when tightening the fitting. Otherwise, it will bunch up on itself,
causing irregularities in the seal. The natural tendency is to wrap it
in the wrong direction.

On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:46:08 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/24/14, 2:55 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:43:54 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/24/14, 2:29 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:36:14 -0500, wrote:



But, I'm up to about 20 hours and still no leak.


Perhaps a diuretic would help.

Help what?

I see you got Don sucking snot!


Your inability to take a leak...

Do you find yourself humorous?

On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:46:48 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:29:03 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:36:14 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 07:13:22 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 04:02:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/24/2014 1:18 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 23:27:06 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/23/2014 11:51 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
...in my house is this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yrvU4mAszI

I despise plumbing.


They are expensive, but for one or two quick connections take a look at
"shark bite" fittings... They work with copper or plastic, great for
places where sweating a pipe or a wrench are not easy to get to...

Most of the plumbing down here is plastic.
Florida water eats metal



I have no idea what the current codes are but I know PVC and other types
of plastic water lines used in the supply side for water used for
consumption remains controversial. Copper water pipes are naturally
anti-microbial preventing bacteria growth within them. PVC is not.

Due to it's anti-microbial and anti-fouling properties, copper has been
used since the 18th century as an anti-fouling agent on boat hulls. The
USS Constitution's hull is covered by copper sheathing which was first
implemented by the British Royal Navy. For years ablative, copper based
bottom paint has been used on both large ships and recreational boats
but there is now a push to ban it's use due to environmental concerns.


Copper is what's sticking out of my wall under the toilet, therefore copper will be used. I'm not
changing any plumbing lines, that's for damn sure!

May not have to change anything. Turned the valve handle in a ways and noticed the leak reduced.
Turned it in a tad more and haven't had a drop come out in more than 12 hours.

Yippee.

They do make a compression angle stop that is pretty easy to put over
the pipe if there is enough sticking out after you cut the old one
off. If it is just leaking around the stem, you should be able to
replace the packing if the cap nut will move and you can get the
handle off. They sell a foot or so in a bubble pack at any
hardware/home store.
.

They (Taiwan) also make a puller for the compression nut and ring so I wouldn't have to cut the
pipe. A friend, who also does plumbing on the side, told me they don't work very well, but I can
always take it back to Home Depot if it doesn't work.

But, I'm up to about 20 hours and still no leak.

If the compression fitting is not leaking, and the ring is undamaged,
you can usually just screw the new angle stop on without changing the
ring or nut. One turn of teflon tape will let you tighten it up
without galling the threads. (this is not a sealant, just a
lubricant).
I am starting to prefer the teflon paste.

Those are the two biggest 'ifs' in the whole operation! Well, there's one more - if the compression
nut will thread onto the new valve.