On 2/17/14, 5:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/17/2014 4:33 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 17, 2014 2:09:41 PM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/17/14, 2:50 PM, Tim wrote:

On Monday, February 17, 2014 10:56:24 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:







You are the one doing the leaping. I said the "idea" was deeply



religious, and it is. It was part of religious teaching for
thousands of



years via various religions. Whether today's religions teach it is



something I don't know.





How many 'thousands' of years are you talking? and which
civilizations? I know the early Egyptians(Pyramid builders) as well
as the early Jews (Cabala studiers) didn't think that way..



Concerning this being a religious 'theory' that's been taught for
'thousands' of years? I really think you're projecting again....



But if that's really what and how you wish to believe, then more
power to you...







Oh, well, then I guess you are discounting the trials and tribulations

of one Galileo Galilei. He was an advocate of heliocentrism (Earth and

planets revolve around a relatively stationary Sun at the center of the

Solar System) and was investigated for it by an inquisition, which said

he was wrong and heliocentrism was contrary to the bible. He was

forbidden from lecturing that the earth was *not* the center of the

solar system, and later he was forced under pain of death to recant his

teachings. He spent the rest of his life under house arrest.



So, if you go from your starting point (ancient Egyptians) to Galileo,

that would be thousands of years, and that there are still people who

believe the earth is still the center of the solar system is without

question a testament to the thousands of years of religious
misinformation.



After he died, Galileo, one of the greatest thinkers of mankind, was

denied an honored resting place because of religious ignorance.

You also should have included Sir Issac Newton, but he and Galileo
didn't live 'thousands' of years ago.



It wasn't Newton or Galileo. It was the Copernicus dude.

Galileo was an advocate of the theories of Copernicus. He suffered for it.

On 2/17/14, 4:33 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 17, 2014 2:09:41 PM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/17/14, 2:50 PM, Tim wrote:

On Monday, February 17, 2014 10:56:24 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:







You are the one doing the leaping. I said the "idea" was deeply



religious, and it is. It was part of religious teaching for thousands of



years via various religions. Whether today's religions teach it is



something I don't know.





How many 'thousands' of years are you talking? and which civilizations? I know the early Egyptians(Pyramid builders) as well as the early Jews (Cabala studiers) didn't think that way..



Concerning this being a religious 'theory' that's been taught for 'thousands' of years? I really think you're projecting again....



But if that's really what and how you wish to believe, then more power to you...







Oh, well, then I guess you are discounting the trials and tribulations

of one Galileo Galilei. He was an advocate of heliocentrism (Earth and

planets revolve around a relatively stationary Sun at the center of the

Solar System) and was investigated for it by an inquisition, which said

he was wrong and heliocentrism was contrary to the bible. He was

forbidden from lecturing that the earth was *not* the center of the

solar system, and later he was forced under pain of death to recant his

teachings. He spent the rest of his life under house arrest.



So, if you go from your starting point (ancient Egyptians) to Galileo,

that would be thousands of years, and that there are still people who

believe the earth is still the center of the solar system is without

question a testament to the thousands of years of religious misinformation.



After he died, Galileo, one of the greatest thinkers of mankind, was

denied an honored resting place because of religious ignorance.

You also should have included Sir Issac Newton, but he and Galileo didn't live 'thousands' of years ago.



You are the one who mentioned the ancient Egyptians...I merely was
indicating that it was religious ignorance from before then to well
after the death of Galileo that keep the belief of the sun revolving
around the earth...alive.

On Monday, February 17, 2014 9:13:58 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:


The idea that the sun revolves around the earth is a deeply religious

concept...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7XXVLKWd3Q

Hank Johnson thought that Guam would tip over. I suppose that's a product of a 'deeply religious concept' as well

On 2/17/2014 5:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



Contrary to your typical reaction, no one is "out to get you".



"out to get me"... you just spew this stuff for what??

On Monday, February 17, 2014 4:20:34 PM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/17/14, 4:33 PM, Tim wrote:

On Monday, February 17, 2014 2:09:41 PM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/17/14, 2:50 PM, Tim wrote:



On Monday, February 17, 2014 10:56:24 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:















You are the one doing the leaping. I said the "idea" was deeply







religious, and it is. It was part of religious teaching for thousands of







years via various religions. Whether today's religions teach it is







something I don't know.











How many 'thousands' of years are you talking? and which civilizations? I know the early Egyptians(Pyramid builders) as well as the early Jews (Cabala studiers) didn't think that way..







Concerning this being a religious 'theory' that's been taught for 'thousands' of years? I really think you're projecting again....







But if that's really what and how you wish to believe, then more power to you...















Oh, well, then I guess you are discounting the trials and tribulations



of one Galileo Galilei. He was an advocate of heliocentrism (Earth and



planets revolve around a relatively stationary Sun at the center of the



Solar System) and was investigated for it by an inquisition, which said



he was wrong and heliocentrism was contrary to the bible. He was



forbidden from lecturing that the earth was *not* the center of the



solar system, and later he was forced under pain of death to recant his



teachings. He spent the rest of his life under house arrest.







So, if you go from your starting point (ancient Egyptians) to Galileo,



that would be thousands of years, and that there are still people who



believe the earth is still the center of the solar system is without



question a testament to the thousands of years of religious misinformation.







After he died, Galileo, one of the greatest thinkers of mankind, was



denied an honored resting place because of religious ignorance.



You also should have included Sir Issac Newton, but he and Galileo didn't live 'thousands' of years ago.







You are the one who mentioned the ancient Egyptians...I merely was

indicating that it was religious ignorance from before then to well

after the death of Galileo that keep the belief of the sun revolving

around the earth...alive.

"Before the Egyptians??"

wow!

On 2/17/14, 5:26 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/17/2014 5:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



Contrary to your typical reaction, no one is "out to get you".



"out to get me"... you just spew this stuff for what??


Perhaps in response to some of your posts here, which make you seem as
if you suffer from paranoia?

On 2/17/2014 5:18 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/17/14, 5:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/17/2014 4:33 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 17, 2014 2:09:41 PM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/17/14, 2:50 PM, Tim wrote:

On Monday, February 17, 2014 10:56:24 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:







You are the one doing the leaping. I said the "idea" was deeply



religious, and it is. It was part of religious teaching for
thousands of



years via various religions. Whether today's religions teach it is



something I don't know.





How many 'thousands' of years are you talking? and which
civilizations? I know the early Egyptians(Pyramid builders) as well
as the early Jews (Cabala studiers) didn't think that way..



Concerning this being a religious 'theory' that's been taught for
'thousands' of years? I really think you're projecting again....



But if that's really what and how you wish to believe, then more
power to you...







Oh, well, then I guess you are discounting the trials and tribulations

of one Galileo Galilei. He was an advocate of heliocentrism (Earth and

planets revolve around a relatively stationary Sun at the center of the

Solar System) and was investigated for it by an inquisition, which said

he was wrong and heliocentrism was contrary to the bible. He was

forbidden from lecturing that the earth was *not* the center of the

solar system, and later he was forced under pain of death to recant his

teachings. He spent the rest of his life under house arrest.



So, if you go from your starting point (ancient Egyptians) to Galileo,

that would be thousands of years, and that there are still people who

believe the earth is still the center of the solar system is without

question a testament to the thousands of years of religious
misinformation.



After he died, Galileo, one of the greatest thinkers of mankind, was

denied an honored resting place because of religious ignorance.

You also should have included Sir Issac Newton, but he and Galileo
didn't live 'thousands' of years ago.



It wasn't Newton or Galileo. It was the Copernicus dude.

Galileo was an advocate of the theories of Copernicus. He suffered for it.

True.

On Monday, February 17, 2014 4:18:14 PM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/17/14, 5:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 2/17/2014 4:33 PM, Tim wrote:

On Monday, February 17, 2014 2:09:41 PM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/17/14, 2:50 PM, Tim wrote:



On Monday, February 17, 2014 10:56:24 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:















You are the one doing the leaping. I said the "idea" was deeply







religious, and it is. It was part of religious teaching for

thousands of







years via various religions. Whether today's religions teach it is







something I don't know.











How many 'thousands' of years are you talking? and which

civilizations? I know the early Egyptians(Pyramid builders) as well

as the early Jews (Cabala studiers) didn't think that way..







Concerning this being a religious 'theory' that's been taught for

'thousands' of years? I really think you're projecting again....







But if that's really what and how you wish to believe, then more

power to you...















Oh, well, then I guess you are discounting the trials and tribulations



of one Galileo Galilei. He was an advocate of heliocentrism (Earth and



planets revolve around a relatively stationary Sun at the center of the



Solar System) and was investigated for it by an inquisition, which said



he was wrong and heliocentrism was contrary to the bible. He was



forbidden from lecturing that the earth was *not* the center of the



solar system, and later he was forced under pain of death to recant his



teachings. He spent the rest of his life under house arrest.







So, if you go from your starting point (ancient Egyptians) to Galileo,



that would be thousands of years, and that there are still people who



believe the earth is still the center of the solar system is without



question a testament to the thousands of years of religious

misinformation.







After he died, Galileo, one of the greatest thinkers of mankind, was



denied an honored resting place because of religious ignorance.



You also should have included Sir Issac Newton, but he and Galileo

didn't live 'thousands' of years ago.







It wasn't Newton or Galileo. It was the Copernicus dude.



Galileo was an advocate of the theories of Copernicus. He suffered for it.

Like Galileo and Newton, Nick Copernicus didn't live 'thousands' of years ago

On 2/17/14, 5:33 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 17, 2014 4:18:14 PM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/17/14, 5:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 2/17/2014 4:33 PM, Tim wrote:

On Monday, February 17, 2014 2:09:41 PM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/17/14, 2:50 PM, Tim wrote:



On Monday, February 17, 2014 10:56:24 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:















You are the one doing the leaping. I said the "idea" was deeply







religious, and it is. It was part of religious teaching for

thousands of







years via various religions. Whether today's religions teach it is







something I don't know.











How many 'thousands' of years are you talking? and which

civilizations? I know the early Egyptians(Pyramid builders) as well

as the early Jews (Cabala studiers) didn't think that way..







Concerning this being a religious 'theory' that's been taught for

'thousands' of years? I really think you're projecting again....







But if that's really what and how you wish to believe, then more

power to you...















Oh, well, then I guess you are discounting the trials and tribulations



of one Galileo Galilei. He was an advocate of heliocentrism (Earth and



planets revolve around a relatively stationary Sun at the center of the



Solar System) and was investigated for it by an inquisition, which said



he was wrong and heliocentrism was contrary to the bible. He was



forbidden from lecturing that the earth was *not* the center of the



solar system, and later he was forced under pain of death to recant his



teachings. He spent the rest of his life under house arrest.







So, if you go from your starting point (ancient Egyptians) to Galileo,



that would be thousands of years, and that there are still people who



believe the earth is still the center of the solar system is without



question a testament to the thousands of years of religious

misinformation.







After he died, Galileo, one of the greatest thinkers of mankind, was



denied an honored resting place because of religious ignorance.



You also should have included Sir Issac Newton, but he and Galileo

didn't live 'thousands' of years ago.







It wasn't Newton or Galileo. It was the Copernicus dude.



Galileo was an advocate of the theories of Copernicus. He suffered for it.

Like Galileo and Newton, Nick Copernicus didn't live 'thousands' of years ago



The point, which seems lost here, is that the belief that the sun
revolves around the earth is an ancient religious belief that was
carried forward by more modern religions, and that the people who still
believe it do so out of ignorance and religious belief and superstition.
And what is superstition if not the belief in supernatural causes or in
trying to explain the natural world in religious terms, such as taking
literally "biblical" history that claims to indicate the age of this
planet.

On 2/17/14, 5:57 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 17:20:34 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:



You are the one who mentioned the ancient Egyptians...I merely was
indicating that it was religious ignorance from before then to well
after the death of Galileo that keep the belief of the sun revolving
around the earth...alive.

I am not sure of any wide spread religious belief that the earth is at
the center of the solar system.
I think you are just calling out the wide spread ignorance that is
coming out of our school system.

They may have heard something about astronomy in elementary or middle
school but they quickly forgot it.



You think such foolishness springs *spontaneously* from the minds of the
badly educated? I don't. I think it is taught...at home and among those
with fundamentalist beliefs.

What's harder to believe:

1. An uncreated god takes on human flesh.

2. A piece of bread transmogrifies into that same flesh.

3. The sun orbits the earth.