Counter steering (again)
 

On 2/15/2014 9:06 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/15/2014 9:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 22:04:21 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 2/14/2014 11:50 AM, KC wrote:

Oh, and wow.... guess I was wrong there too...:) You all should come on
out one day this season when we go street racing in Mass... I will show
you how to countersteer though a street course with no hands...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PbmXxwKbmA

;)

Scotty could 'no hands' counter steered circles around that dude. He's
already said so.


You were the one who just said "it's time to let it go" and I think you
should since you proved beyond a doubt yesterday that you don't really
understand all that is involved beyond pushing a bar....


Hey guys, this can't be done on a street bike!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI

Counter steering (again)
 

On 2/15/2014 9:09 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/15/2014 9:06 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/15/2014 9:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 22:04:21 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 2/14/2014 11:50 AM, KC wrote:

Oh, and wow.... guess I was wrong there too...:) You all should
come on
out one day this season when we go street racing in Mass... I will
show
you how to countersteer though a street course with no hands...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PbmXxwKbmA

;)

Scotty could 'no hands' counter steered circles around that dude. He's
already said so.


You were the one who just said "it's time to let it go" and I think you
should since you proved beyond a doubt yesterday that you don't really
understand all that is involved beyond pushing a bar....


Hey guys, this can't be done on a street bike!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI


Scott, you keep bringing up stuff that has nothing to do with the
subjects that were being discussed. Obviously, that can be done ... at
what, 5 mph? Nope, no gygroscopic precession there. Geeze.

You should go take a couple of helicopter flight lessons. You'll learn
all about it there.

Counter steering (again)
 

On 2/15/14, 12:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/15/2014 9:09 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/15/2014 9:06 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/15/2014 9:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 22:04:21 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 2/14/2014 11:50 AM, KC wrote:

Oh, and wow.... guess I was wrong there too...:) You all should
come on
out one day this season when we go street racing in Mass... I will
show
you how to countersteer though a street course with no hands...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PbmXxwKbmA

;)

Scotty could 'no hands' counter steered circles around that dude. He's
already said so.


You were the one who just said "it's time to let it go" and I think you
should since you proved beyond a doubt yesterday that you don't really
understand all that is involved beyond pushing a bar....


Hey guys, this can't be done on a street bike!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI


Scott, you keep bringing up stuff that has nothing to do with the
subjects that were being discussed. Obviously, that can be done ... at
what, 5 mph? Nope, no gygroscopic precession there. Geeze.

You should go take a couple of helicopter flight lessons. You'll learn
all about it there.





Now *that* is a scary suggestion...

Counter steering (again)
 

On 2/15/2014 12:40 PM, FOAD wrote:
On 2/15/14, 12:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/15/2014 9:09 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/15/2014 9:06 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/15/2014 9:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 22:04:21 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 2/14/2014 11:50 AM, KC wrote:

Oh, and wow.... guess I was wrong there too...:) You all should
come on
out one day this season when we go street racing in Mass... I will
show
you how to countersteer though a street course with no hands...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PbmXxwKbmA

;)

Scotty could 'no hands' counter steered circles around that dude. He's
already said so.


You were the one who just said "it's time to let it go" and I think you
should since you proved beyond a doubt yesterday that you don't really
understand all that is involved beyond pushing a bar....


Hey guys, this can't be done on a street bike!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI


Scott, you keep bringing up stuff that has nothing to do with the
subjects that were being discussed. Obviously, that can be done ... at
what, 5 mph? Nope, no gygroscopic precession there. Geeze.



You should go take a couple of helicopter flight lessons. You'll learn
all about it there.



Now *that* is a scary suggestion...


"Look Ma, no hands!"

Counter steering (again)
 

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 13:03:47 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/15/2014 12:40 PM, FOAD wrote:
On 2/15/14, 12:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/15/2014 9:09 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/15/2014 9:06 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/15/2014 9:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 22:04:21 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 2/14/2014 11:50 AM, KC wrote:

Oh, and wow.... guess I was wrong there too...:) You all should
come on
out one day this season when we go street racing in Mass... I will
show
you how to countersteer though a street course with no hands...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PbmXxwKbmA

;)

Scotty could 'no hands' counter steered circles around that dude. He's
already said so.


You were the one who just said "it's time to let it go" and I think you
should since you proved beyond a doubt yesterday that you don't really
understand all that is involved beyond pushing a bar....


Hey guys, this can't be done on a street bike!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI


Scott, you keep bringing up stuff that has nothing to do with the
subjects that were being discussed. Obviously, that can be done ... at
what, 5 mph? Nope, no gygroscopic precession there. Geeze.



You should go take a couple of helicopter flight lessons. You'll learn
all about it there.



Now *that* is a scary suggestion...


"Look Ma, no hands!"


"Look Ma, no rotors!"

Counter steering (again)
 

On 2/15/2014 6:09 AM, KC wrote:

Hey guys, this can't be done on a street bike!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI


Let me know when he does a figure 8 no hands.

Counter steering (again)
 

On 2/15/14, 3:25 PM, thumper wrote:
On 2/15/2014 6:09 AM, KC wrote:

Hey guys, this can't be done on a street bike!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI


Let me know when he does a figure 8 no hands.


This can't be done on a motorbike dirt trail, and it takes real balls:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f-K-XnHi9I

Counter steering (again)
 

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 15:47:04 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/15/14, 3:25 PM, thumper wrote:
On 2/15/2014 6:09 AM, KC wrote:

Hey guys, this can't be done on a street bike!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI


Let me know when he does a figure 8 no hands.


This can't be done on a motorbike dirt trail, and it takes real balls:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f-K-XnHi9I

Army, Air Force, Marine, Navy, FBI, and CIA folks have been doing similar feats with HALO and HAHO
jumps for many years. Although not quite at that altitude, I'd expect the balls requirement would be
about the same.

Counter steering (again)
 

On 2/15/2014 3:25 PM, thumper wrote:
On 2/15/2014 6:09 AM, KC wrote:

Hey guys, this can't be done on a street bike!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI


Let me know when he does a figure 8 no hands.

Haven't tried it, can it be done like the circles and going down a windy
road with no hands? And to Dick, never really thought out a chopper, but
I do know I don't see it yet..

Counter steering (again)
 

On 2/15/2014 7:06 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/15/2014 3:25 PM, thumper wrote:
On 2/15/2014 6:09 AM, KC wrote:

Hey guys, this can't be done on a street bike!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI


Let me know when he does a figure 8 no hands.

Haven't tried it, can it be done like the circles and going down a windy
road with no hands? And to Dick, never really thought out a chopper, but
I do know I don't see it yet..


That's obvious.

When Igor Sikorsky developed the first helicopter they couldn't fly it.

"The design team was not familiar with the fact that a spinning rotor
had gyroscopic properties (precession) which required an input 90
degrees in rotation before it became effective. The VS-300 therefore
rolled left when the cyclic stick was pushed forward. The initial
pilots, Igor Sikorsky and Serge Gluhareff, had no idea whether the
control problems were caused by the helicopter design or pilot technique."

In a helicopter this means that control input to the rotor's pitch is
applied 90 degrees before the direction you want to go forward in flight.

http://www.sikorskyarchives.com/S-46%20_VS-300_%20VS-300A.php

Before you jump .. you don't develop sufficient force due to gyroscopic
precession on a motorcycle going 5-10 mph regardless of whether you are
riding in circles, straight or doing figure eights. It only comes into
play when force due to the mass of the wheel (rotor) times it's velocity
squared is greater than any other external forces ... like a rider
leaning over to one side.