Counter steering (again)
 

On 2/14/2014 1:41 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 1:32 PM, HanK wrote:
On 2/14/2014 1:05 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 12:54 PM, HanK wrote:
On 2/14/2014 12:30 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 11:50 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/14/2014 11:20 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 11:05 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/14/2014 9:46 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 9:40 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 09:23:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

On 2/14/2014 8:50 AM, amdx wrote:
On 2/14/2014 6:59 AM, Poco Loco wrote:


OK, here's the real poop. Steering a motorcycle at more that
'parking
lot' speeds is done using a
technique called counter steering. The technique is called
'counter
steering' because it is
'counter' to the way we learned how to turn a tricycle. On a
motorcycle, we push left to go left,
and push right to go right, as was explained in numerous
videos,
Wikipedia, and over a million hits
in Google if you plug in 'counter steering a motorcycle'.

Here are some nice pictures explaining the technique:

http://www.motorcycletraining.com/wo...eering-pic.jpg











http://xbhp.com/ridesafe/images/coun...ersteering.jpg






The process through a curve::

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...cornerbike.gif











To really see what counter steering is doing, use the
technique
*without* letting your body lean.
Just keep your upper body vertical, push the left bar, and the
bike
will lean left and turn
*without* a body lean. Getting good at this will let you
quickly
swerve to miss an obstacle in your
lane, and swerve back so you stay in your lane.

Interesting, I see it, I understand it, but I don't recall
from
forty
years ago when I had a dirt bike if I did that instinctively.
I sure had a lot of fun back in the gravel pits near my
house!

btw, before my dirt bike, I had a 3 wheel Honda with the
balloon
tires.
This was early 70s, it was a trick turning that, you leaned
right to
turn left. I think that's why you don't see them anymore.
Mikek




Every kid that rides a bicycle learns to intuitively
counter-steer,
even
if they don't know what it is, why they are doing it or even
*knowing*
that they are doing it. If they don't, they crash until they
learn.


I wonder sometimes if tricycle operation isn't what makes it hard
for
kids to learn bicycle
operation. They've spent their whole lives pushing left to go
right,
and now we're trying to get
them to do the opposite.


We have a training technique where we pretty much take our hands
off
the
bars, with only enough fingertip on the bars to keep the throttle
twisted. We use it for long ruts that can be a foot deep and 60
yards
long... if you steer at all you are dead, period... sometimes
they go
around a corner... Sitting here trying to figure out how we make
those
corners without counter-steering since the front wheel is tapping
the
bottom and sides of the rut, basically running a few inches off
the
ground. Oh, and really trying to figure out how my bud does
wheelies
around trees and cars and such... Cause we all know you can't
turn a
motorcycle without counter-steering:)


We've gone from tricycles to bicycles to unicycles. Each has its
own
magic.

The point is, I can steer the bike weather through a long winding
rut,
or around a corner with little to no steering pressure at all with
the
front tire on or off the ground or a combination of both... I can
also
take my hands off the bars and lean a flat turn with no pressure
applied
to the bars... ... *at the same time, and pay attention here
guys*... I
know that the split second I lean the geometry of the bike will
cause it
to countersteer for a split second which will initiate the lean, and
the
lean of course will initiate the correction of the fork angle... so
don't get off on this whole "he doesn't get it and never will".


I am still trying to learn and have a decent discussion here.. I'll
give
it one more shot...

I really think we've heard enough on this topic.

So, stop listening... you haven't had a useful post in the discussion
anyway so far...
OK listen carefully. Without doing anything else, gently push
forward on
the left handlebar and you will turn left. It's called counter
steering.

Awesome... now let's continue on. Explain to me what it's called when I
maneuver through a wavy rutt, or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat)
with absolutely zero steering pressure applied by myself to the handle
bars? And before you say it can't happen. I can do both, with a dead
mans throttle and no hands....

It's called "look at me, no hands" A trick learned by the average
competent bicycle rider by the age of seven.
I'd like to hear your definition of dead man's throttle. Then I promise
to keep quiet on this topic and let you wind it down.

My def is no throttle return spring.. Anyway, I didn't dodge your
question, now don't dodge mine... When I take my hands off the bars and
then take a corner on a bicycle or motorcycle, what is it called? Like I
told John, it's kind of a trick question but it will show who *really*
gets it and who doesn't....

Already answered.

Counter steering (again)
 

On 2/14/2014 1:59 PM, HanK wrote:
On 2/14/2014 1:41 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 1:32 PM, HanK wrote:
On 2/14/2014 1:05 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 12:54 PM, HanK wrote:
On 2/14/2014 12:30 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 11:50 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/14/2014 11:20 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 11:05 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/14/2014 9:46 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 9:40 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 09:23:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

On 2/14/2014 8:50 AM, amdx wrote:
On 2/14/2014 6:59 AM, Poco Loco wrote:


OK, here's the real poop. Steering a motorcycle at more that
'parking
lot' speeds is done using a
technique called counter steering. The technique is called
'counter
steering' because it is
'counter' to the way we learned how to turn a tricycle. On a
motorcycle, we push left to go left,
and push right to go right, as was explained in numerous
videos,
Wikipedia, and over a million hits
in Google if you plug in 'counter steering a motorcycle'.

Here are some nice pictures explaining the technique:

http://www.motorcycletraining.com/wo...eering-pic.jpg












http://xbhp.com/ridesafe/images/coun...ersteering.jpg







The process through a curve::

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...cornerbike.gif












To really see what counter steering is doing, use the
technique
*without* letting your body lean.
Just keep your upper body vertical, push the left bar, and
the
bike
will lean left and turn
*without* a body lean. Getting good at this will let you
quickly
swerve to miss an obstacle in your
lane, and swerve back so you stay in your lane.

Interesting, I see it, I understand it, but I don't recall
from
forty
years ago when I had a dirt bike if I did that instinctively.
I sure had a lot of fun back in the gravel pits near my
house!

btw, before my dirt bike, I had a 3 wheel Honda with the
balloon
tires.
This was early 70s, it was a trick turning that, you leaned
right to
turn left. I think that's why you don't see them anymore.
Mikek




Every kid that rides a bicycle learns to intuitively
counter-steer,
even
if they don't know what it is, why they are doing it or even
*knowing*
that they are doing it. If they don't, they crash until they
learn.


I wonder sometimes if tricycle operation isn't what makes it
hard
for
kids to learn bicycle
operation. They've spent their whole lives pushing left to go
right,
and now we're trying to get
them to do the opposite.


We have a training technique where we pretty much take our hands
off
the
bars, with only enough fingertip on the bars to keep the throttle
twisted. We use it for long ruts that can be a foot deep and 60
yards
long... if you steer at all you are dead, period... sometimes
they go
around a corner... Sitting here trying to figure out how we make
those
corners without counter-steering since the front wheel is tapping
the
bottom and sides of the rut, basically running a few inches off
the
ground. Oh, and really trying to figure out how my bud does
wheelies
around trees and cars and such... Cause we all know you can't
turn a
motorcycle without counter-steering:)


We've gone from tricycles to bicycles to unicycles. Each has its
own
magic.

The point is, I can steer the bike weather through a long winding
rut,
or around a corner with little to no steering pressure at all with
the
front tire on or off the ground or a combination of both... I can
also
take my hands off the bars and lean a flat turn with no pressure
applied
to the bars... ... *at the same time, and pay attention here
guys*... I
know that the split second I lean the geometry of the bike will
cause it
to countersteer for a split second which will initiate the lean,
and
the
lean of course will initiate the correction of the fork angle... so
don't get off on this whole "he doesn't get it and never will".


I am still trying to learn and have a decent discussion here.. I'll
give
it one more shot...

I really think we've heard enough on this topic.

So, stop listening... you haven't had a useful post in the discussion
anyway so far...
OK listen carefully. Without doing anything else, gently push
forward on
the left handlebar and you will turn left. It's called counter
steering.

Awesome... now let's continue on. Explain to me what it's called when I
maneuver through a wavy rutt, or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat)
with absolutely zero steering pressure applied by myself to the handle
bars? And before you say it can't happen. I can do both, with a dead
mans throttle and no hands....

It's called "look at me, no hands" A trick learned by the average
competent bicycle rider by the age of seven.
I'd like to hear your definition of dead man's throttle. Then I promise
to keep quiet on this topic and let you wind it down.

My def is no throttle return spring.. Anyway, I didn't dodge your
question, now don't dodge mine... When I take my hands off the bars and
then take a corner on a bicycle or motorcycle, what is it called? Like I
told John, it's kind of a trick question but it will show who *really*
gets it and who doesn't....

Already answered.

No, it's "countersteering".. Yup, I knew you didn't really get it
either.. Reading about it is not the same thing.. I think Dick gets it,
but I knew you and John didn't...

Counter steering (again)
 

On Friday, 14 February 2014 12:16:17 UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 06:41:37 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:



Y'all make me glad that I didn't buy a motorcycle a couple years ago.

You're taking away all the fun from something I remember as natural and enjoyable.



You told us already.


but.. you seem to have trouble comprehending this week...

Counter steering (again)
 

On 2/14/2014 1:05 PM, KC wrote:

On 2/14/2014 12:54 PM, HanK wrote:


I really think we've heard enough on this topic.



So, stop listening... you haven't had a useful post in the discussion
anyway so far...


OK listen carefully. Without doing anything else, gently push forward on
the left handlebar and you will turn left. It's called counter steering.

Awesome... now let's continue on. Explain to me what it's called when I
maneuver through a wavy rutt, or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat)
with absolutely zero steering pressure applied by myself to the handle
bars? And before you say it can't happen. I can do both, with a dead
mans throttle and no hands....


Awesome. But those skills have absolutely nothing to do with the
original topic that Hank so kindly pointed out.

Counter steering (again)
 

On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:59:47 -0500, HanK wrote:

On 2/14/2014 1:41 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 1:32 PM, HanK wrote:
On 2/14/2014 1:05 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 12:54 PM, HanK wrote:
On 2/14/2014 12:30 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 11:50 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/14/2014 11:20 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 11:05 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/14/2014 9:46 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 9:40 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 09:23:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

On 2/14/2014 8:50 AM, amdx wrote:
On 2/14/2014 6:59 AM, Poco Loco wrote:


OK, here's the real poop. Steering a motorcycle at more that
'parking
lot' speeds is done using a
technique called counter steering. The technique is called
'counter
steering' because it is
'counter' to the way we learned how to turn a tricycle. On a
motorcycle, we push left to go left,
and push right to go right, as was explained in numerous
videos,
Wikipedia, and over a million hits
in Google if you plug in 'counter steering a motorcycle'.

Here are some nice pictures explaining the technique:

http://www.motorcycletraining.com/wo...eering-pic.jpg











http://xbhp.com/ridesafe/images/coun...ersteering.jpg






The process through a curve::

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...cornerbike.gif











To really see what counter steering is doing, use the
technique
*without* letting your body lean.
Just keep your upper body vertical, push the left bar, and the
bike
will lean left and turn
*without* a body lean. Getting good at this will let you
quickly
swerve to miss an obstacle in your
lane, and swerve back so you stay in your lane.

Interesting, I see it, I understand it, but I don't recall
from
forty
years ago when I had a dirt bike if I did that instinctively.
I sure had a lot of fun back in the gravel pits near my
house!

btw, before my dirt bike, I had a 3 wheel Honda with the
balloon
tires.
This was early 70s, it was a trick turning that, you leaned
right to
turn left. I think that's why you don't see them anymore.
Mikek




Every kid that rides a bicycle learns to intuitively
counter-steer,
even
if they don't know what it is, why they are doing it or even
*knowing*
that they are doing it. If they don't, they crash until they
learn.


I wonder sometimes if tricycle operation isn't what makes it hard
for
kids to learn bicycle
operation. They've spent their whole lives pushing left to go
right,
and now we're trying to get
them to do the opposite.


We have a training technique where we pretty much take our hands
off
the
bars, with only enough fingertip on the bars to keep the throttle
twisted. We use it for long ruts that can be a foot deep and 60
yards
long... if you steer at all you are dead, period... sometimes
they go
around a corner... Sitting here trying to figure out how we make
those
corners without counter-steering since the front wheel is tapping
the
bottom and sides of the rut, basically running a few inches off
the
ground. Oh, and really trying to figure out how my bud does
wheelies
around trees and cars and such... Cause we all know you can't
turn a
motorcycle without counter-steering:)


We've gone from tricycles to bicycles to unicycles. Each has its
own
magic.

The point is, I can steer the bike weather through a long winding
rut,
or around a corner with little to no steering pressure at all with
the
front tire on or off the ground or a combination of both... I can
also
take my hands off the bars and lean a flat turn with no pressure
applied
to the bars... ... *at the same time, and pay attention here
guys*... I
know that the split second I lean the geometry of the bike will
cause it
to countersteer for a split second which will initiate the lean, and
the
lean of course will initiate the correction of the fork angle... so
don't get off on this whole "he doesn't get it and never will".


I am still trying to learn and have a decent discussion here.. I'll
give
it one more shot...

I really think we've heard enough on this topic.

So, stop listening... you haven't had a useful post in the discussion
anyway so far...
OK listen carefully. Without doing anything else, gently push
forward on
the left handlebar and you will turn left. It's called counter
steering.

Awesome... now let's continue on. Explain to me what it's called when I
maneuver through a wavy rutt, or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat)
with absolutely zero steering pressure applied by myself to the handle
bars? And before you say it can't happen. I can do both, with a dead
mans throttle and no hands....

It's called "look at me, no hands" A trick learned by the average
competent bicycle rider by the age of seven.
I'd like to hear your definition of dead man's throttle. Then I promise
to keep quiet on this topic and let you wind it down.

My def is no throttle return spring.. Anyway, I didn't dodge your
question, now don't dodge mine... When I take my hands off the bars and
then take a corner on a bicycle or motorcycle, what is it called? Like I
told John, it's kind of a trick question but it will show who *really*
gets it and who doesn't....

Already answered.

Yesterday. Early on.

Counter steering (again)
 

On 2/14/2014 1:37 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 1:19 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:05:44 -0500, KC wrote:



Awesome... now let's continue on. Explain to me what it's called when I
maneuver through a wavy rutt, or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat)
with absolutely zero steering pressure applied by myself to the handle
bars? And before you say it can't happen. I can do both, with a dead
mans throttle and no hands....

Ah, yes...we were talking about wavy ruts and rutted long corners.
****. Luddite should have been
more clear in his original post. I thought he was talking about street
riding. My bad.

As to your question above, that style is called "Maneuvering through a
wavy rutt, or a rutted long
corner (rutted or flat) with absolutely zero steering pressure applied
to the handle bars". It's a
great technique when you're riding in a wavy rut or a rutted long
corner (rutted or flat). Just be
sure to look where you want to go.



Ok, let me rephrase it to avoid the dodge, and the self serving
mocking...... Or you can just dodge again...

I can go down a flat curvy road/track and turn the bike side to side
with out touching the bars (assume coasting or dead mans throttle) by
simply shifting my body weight absolutely no hands on the bars and
negotiate the corners. I could lean the bike into a continuous circle
with a dead mans throttle and no hands on the bars. What do you call
that? And before you answer, I already know the answer, it's kind of a
trick question but go for it... Let's see if your book learned, or you
get it.. Cause I think you were the one who was actually confused
yesterday and you "morphed" your understanding as the day went on...
Just sayin. So, what do "you" call it?


You didn't ask me, but I'll offer an answer:

I'd call it off-road dirt bike riding.

Counter steering (again)
 

On 2/14/2014 2:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/14/2014 1:37 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 1:19 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:05:44 -0500, KC wrote:



Awesome... now let's continue on. Explain to me what it's called when I
maneuver through a wavy rutt, or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat)
with absolutely zero steering pressure applied by myself to the handle
bars? And before you say it can't happen. I can do both, with a dead
mans throttle and no hands....

Ah, yes...we were talking about wavy ruts and rutted long corners.
****. Luddite should have been
more clear in his original post. I thought he was talking about street
riding. My bad.

As to your question above, that style is called "Maneuvering through a
wavy rutt, or a rutted long
corner (rutted or flat) with absolutely zero steering pressure applied
to the handle bars". It's a
great technique when you're riding in a wavy rut or a rutted long
corner (rutted or flat). Just be
sure to look where you want to go.



Ok, let me rephrase it to avoid the dodge, and the self serving
mocking...... Or you can just dodge again...

I can go down a flat curvy road/track and turn the bike side to side
with out touching the bars (assume coasting or dead mans throttle) by
simply shifting my body weight absolutely no hands on the bars and
negotiate the corners. I could lean the bike into a continuous circle
with a dead mans throttle and no hands on the bars. What do you call
that? And before you answer, I already know the answer, it's kind of a
trick question but go for it... Let's see if your book learned, or you
get it.. Cause I think you were the one who was actually confused
yesterday and you "morphed" your understanding as the day went on...
Just sayin. So, what do "you" call it?


You didn't ask me, but I'll offer an answer:

I'd call it off-road dirt bike riding.



I can do it on the street too.. It's called counter steering...

Counter steering (again)
 

On 2/14/2014 2:47 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 2:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/14/2014 1:37 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 1:19 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:05:44 -0500, KC wrote:



Awesome... now let's continue on. Explain to me what it's called
when I
maneuver through a wavy rutt, or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat)
with absolutely zero steering pressure applied by myself to the handle
bars? And before you say it can't happen. I can do both, with a dead
mans throttle and no hands....

Ah, yes...we were talking about wavy ruts and rutted long corners.
****. Luddite should have been
more clear in his original post. I thought he was talking about street
riding. My bad.

As to your question above, that style is called "Maneuvering through a
wavy rutt, or a rutted long
corner (rutted or flat) with absolutely zero steering pressure applied
to the handle bars". It's a
great technique when you're riding in a wavy rut or a rutted long
corner (rutted or flat). Just be
sure to look where you want to go.



Ok, let me rephrase it to avoid the dodge, and the self serving
mocking...... Or you can just dodge again...

I can go down a flat curvy road/track and turn the bike side to side
with out touching the bars (assume coasting or dead mans throttle) by
simply shifting my body weight absolutely no hands on the bars and
negotiate the corners. I could lean the bike into a continuous circle
with a dead mans throttle and no hands on the bars. What do you call
that? And before you answer, I already know the answer, it's kind of a
trick question but go for it... Let's see if your book learned, or you
get it.. Cause I think you were the one who was actually confused
yesterday and you "morphed" your understanding as the day went on...
Just sayin. So, what do "you" call it?


You didn't ask me, but I'll offer an answer:

I'd call it off-road dirt bike riding.



I can do it on the street too.. It's called counter steering...

Oh, and wow.... guess I was wrong there too...:) You all should come on
out one day this season when we go street racing in Mass... I will show
you how to countersteer though a street course with no hands...

Counter steering (again)
 

On 2/14/2014 2:50 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 2:47 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 2:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/14/2014 1:37 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 1:19 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:05:44 -0500, KC wrote:



Awesome... now let's continue on. Explain to me what it's called
when I
maneuver through a wavy rutt, or a rutted long corner (rutted or
flat)
with absolutely zero steering pressure applied by myself to the
handle
bars? And before you say it can't happen. I can do both, with a dead
mans throttle and no hands....

Ah, yes...we were talking about wavy ruts and rutted long corners.
****. Luddite should have been
more clear in his original post. I thought he was talking about street
riding. My bad.

As to your question above, that style is called "Maneuvering through a
wavy rutt, or a rutted long
corner (rutted or flat) with absolutely zero steering pressure applied
to the handle bars". It's a
great technique when you're riding in a wavy rut or a rutted long
corner (rutted or flat). Just be
sure to look where you want to go.



Ok, let me rephrase it to avoid the dodge, and the self serving
mocking...... Or you can just dodge again...

I can go down a flat curvy road/track and turn the bike side to side
with out touching the bars (assume coasting or dead mans throttle) by
simply shifting my body weight absolutely no hands on the bars and
negotiate the corners. I could lean the bike into a continuous circle
with a dead mans throttle and no hands on the bars. What do you call
that? And before you answer, I already know the answer, it's kind of a
trick question but go for it... Let's see if your book learned, or you
get it.. Cause I think you were the one who was actually confused
yesterday and you "morphed" your understanding as the day went on...
Just sayin. So, what do "you" call it?


You didn't ask me, but I'll offer an answer:

I'd call it off-road dirt bike riding.



I can do it on the street too.. It's called counter steering...

Oh, and wow.... guess I was wrong there too...:) You all should come on
out one day this season when we go street racing in Mass... I will show
you how to countersteer though a street course with no hands...

Oh, and here's a hint.. I am gonna' drop the back end of the bike real
low first to help with the balance. That will of course mean a little
more lean applied to turn but will help me keep my balance in the
corners and straights....

Counter steering (again)
 

On 2/14/2014 1:59 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 1:41 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:37:07 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/14/2014 1:19 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:05:44 -0500, KC wrote:



Awesome... now let's continue on. Explain to me what it's called
when I
maneuver through a wavy rutt, or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat)
with absolutely zero steering pressure applied by myself to the handle
bars? And before you say it can't happen. I can do both, with a dead
mans throttle and no hands....

Ah, yes...we were talking about wavy ruts and rutted long corners.
****. Luddite should have been
more clear in his original post. I thought he was talking about
street riding. My bad.

As to your question above, that style is called "Maneuvering through
a wavy rutt, or a rutted long
corner (rutted or flat) with absolutely zero steering pressure
applied to the handle bars". It's a
great technique when you're riding in a wavy rut or a rutted long
corner (rutted or flat). Just be
sure to look where you want to go.



Ok, let me rephrase it to avoid the dodge, and the self serving
mocking...... Or you can just dodge again...

I can go down a flat curvy road/track and turn the bike side to side
with out touching the bars (assume coasting or dead mans throttle) by
simply shifting my body weight absolutely no hands on the bars and
negotiate the corners. I could lean the bike into a continuous circle
with a dead mans throttle and no hands on the bars. What do you call
that? And before you answer, I already know the answer, it's kind of a
trick question but go for it... Let's see if your book learned, or you
get it.. Cause I think you were the one who was actually confused
yesterday and you "morphed" your understanding as the day went on...
Just sayin. So, what do "you" call it?

It's called riding with no hands while coasting or dead man's
throttle. If you do it long enough
it's called 'bike laying on side'.

It's not what I call road riding.

In case you've not yet figured it out, I'm basically done with you.


I knew it! You really don't get it do you? It's ok, I am not gonna' "two
stroke oil" you.. as long as we all maintain the spirit of the group,
and move on....

Anyway, the answer to my quesion, the question you obviously couldn't
answer is.... and read carefully..."when I go through a corner with no
hands on the bars I am... wait for it... I AM COUNTER-STEERING through
the corner!" See why I said it was a trick question? Ok here's why...

Yup, I am just initiating the counter steer by leaning... and allowing
the geometry of the bike put "pressure on the bars" instead of applying
that pressure with my hands. I just knew you really didn't get it. Maybe
this will help.. You can counter-steer to initiate a lean, or you can
lean to initiate a counter-steer.... I knew it... Book learned.... ugh...

Oh, and you won't end up with "the bike on the ground" with no hands in
a circle, if you *maintain the balance* ie. *don't lean out of the
counter steer*. If I maintain my speed and balance, I could go in
circles forever...I am sure you don't get that either.... but...



ugh.. probably shouldn't bother, sure you don't appreciate it...


So tell me. If you are riding a motorcycle in a straight direction and
apply some forward pressure on the *left* handlebar, what will happen?
What will happen when pressure is applied to the *right* handlebar?

Those questions are what initiated this whole ridiculous thread.
Somehow you took exception to the accurate answers, based apparently on
your "expert" knowledge of dirt bike racing and it went downhill from there.

You are a funny guy sometimes.