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https://www.google.com/search?q=gpx+corner&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=x ev7Upn5IoSMqQGT-IGgBA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=1366&bih=667#q=motorcycl e+corner&tbm=isch Here are some fast street bikes... Please show me which one is countersteering cause they all look like they are trying their best to keep the bars turned into the turn, and the rear tire is tracking inside the track of the front tire.. There may be a couple exceptions such as corners that are too sharp for normal tracking... Again, those tracks are made for drifting/countersteering so they will be faster in that mode.. |
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 19:14:08 -0500, KC wrote:
https://www.google.com/search?q=gpx+corner&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=x ev7Upn5IoSMqQGT-IGgBA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=1366&bih=667#q=motorcycl e+corner&tbm=isch Here are some fast street bikes... Please show me which one is countersteering cause they all look like they are trying their best to keep the bars turned into the turn, and the rear tire is tracking inside the track of the front tire.. There may be a couple exceptions such as corners that are too sharp for normal tracking... Again, those tracks are made for drifting/countersteering so they will be faster in that mode.. All of 'em. To keep the bike down they have to be exerting force on the low side handlebar, otherwise the bike will straighten by itself. Scotty - do your thing. But learn what countersteering is all about for that one time when you need to reflexively get out of someone's way or miss an obstacle in the road. 'Nuff said. |
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On 2/12/2014 8:13 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 19:14:08 -0500, KC wrote: https://www.google.com/search?q=gpx+corner&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=x ev7Upn5IoSMqQGT-IGgBA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=1366&bih=667#q=motorcycl e+corner&tbm=isch Here are some fast street bikes... Please show me which one is countersteering cause they all look like they are trying their best to keep the bars turned into the turn, and the rear tire is tracking inside the track of the front tire.. There may be a couple exceptions such as corners that are too sharp for normal tracking... Again, those tracks are made for drifting/countersteering so they will be faster in that mode.. All of 'em. To keep the bike down they have to be exerting force on the low side handlebar, otherwise the bike will straighten by itself. But, but, but you said that "counter steering" involved turning the bars away from the direction of the turn... None of the bikes above have that except one ice racer way down the page.. Each and every bike there has the front tire turned into the radius and the rear tire tracking with or inside the front.... Scotty - do your thing. But learn what countersteering is all about for that one time when you need to reflexively get out of someone's way or miss an obstacle in the road. 'Nuff said. And if I get into an emergency I will.. But doing it intentionally or just running down the road and pushing a handle bar down, is just playing:) |
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On 2/12/2014 11:22 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/12/2014 8:13 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 19:14:08 -0500, KC wrote: https://www.google.com/search?q=gpx+corner&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=x ev7Upn5IoSMqQGT-IGgBA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=1366&bih=667#q=motorcycl e+corner&tbm=isch nd the rear tire is tracking inside the track of the front tire.. There may be a couple exceptions such as corners that are too sharp for normal tracking... Again, those tracks are made for drifting/countersteering so they will be faster in that mode.. All of 'em. No way, you said counter steering is the front tire turned away from the radius.. NONE of the bikes above is in that positition, not one of them.. either you are blind, or stubborn, but the pictuers above clearly show the front tires turned into the radius... nuff' said... and until you can show me one that has the front tire turned away from the radius, that's it.. To keep the bike down they have to be exerting force on the low side handlebar, otherwise the bike will straighten by itself. |
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 23:39:23 -0500, KC wrote:
On 2/12/2014 11:22 PM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 8:13 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 19:14:08 -0500, KC wrote: https://www.google.com/search?q=gpx+corner&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=x ev7Upn5IoSMqQGT-IGgBA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=1366&bih=667#q=motorcycl e+corner&tbm=isch nd the rear tire is tracking inside the track of the front tire.. There may be a couple exceptions such as corners that are too sharp for normal tracking... Again, those tracks are made for drifting/countersteering so they will be faster in that mode.. All of 'em. No way, you said counter steering is the front tire turned away from the radius.. NONE of the bikes above is in that positition, not one of them.. either you are blind, or stubborn, but the pictuers above clearly show the front tires turned into the radius... nuff' said... and until you can show me one that has the front tire turned away from the radius, that's it.. To keep the bike down they have to be exerting force on the low side handlebar, otherwise the bike will straighten by itself. Can't quit can you. Don't go by what I said, plug 'counter steering' into Google and learn something. It will, obviously, do you a lot of good. |
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On 2/13/2014 8:17 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 23:39:23 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 11:22 PM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 8:13 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 19:14:08 -0500, KC wrote: https://www.google.com/search?q=gpx+corner&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=x ev7Upn5IoSMqQGT-IGgBA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=1366&bih=667#q=motorcycl e+corner&tbm=isch nd the rear tire is tracking inside the track of the front tire.. There may be a couple exceptions such as corners that are too sharp for normal tracking... Again, those tracks are made for drifting/countersteering so they will be faster in that mode.. All of 'em. No way, you said counter steering is the front tire turned away from the radius.. NONE of the bikes above is in that positition, not one of them.. either you are blind, or stubborn, but the pictuers above clearly show the front tires turned into the radius... nuff' said... and until you can show me one that has the front tire turned away from the radius, that's it.. To keep the bike down they have to be exerting force on the low side handlebar, otherwise the bike will straighten by itself. Can't quit can you. Don't go by what I said, plug 'counter steering' into Google and learn something. It will, obviously, do you a lot of good. Still waiting for you to show me the bike that's countersteering in the google link I sent of "motorcycles turning".... snerk |
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On 2/13/2014 10:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 8:17 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 23:39:23 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 11:22 PM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 8:13 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 19:14:08 -0500, KC wrote: https://www.google.com/search?q=gpx+corner&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=x ev7Upn5IoSMqQGT-IGgBA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=1366&bih=667#q=motorcycl e+corner&tbm=isch nd the rear tire is tracking inside the track of the front tire.. There may be a couple exceptions such as corners that are too sharp for normal tracking... Again, those tracks are made for drifting/countersteering so they will be faster in that mode.. All of 'em. https://www.google.com/search?q=gpx+corner&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=x ev7Upn5IoSMqQGT-IGgBA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=1366&bih=667#q=motorcycl e+corner&tbm=isch Please John, end the madness... Take a second and go to the link above and post a quick link of the motorcycle you see in the first say, half of the page where the front wheel is turned away from the radius and the rear tire is tracking outside the front tire radius... or what you call countersteering. You said all of 'em. Apparently you don't know what countersteering really is.... |
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On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:20:32 -0500, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 10:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 8:17 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 23:39:23 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 11:22 PM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 8:13 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 19:14:08 -0500, KC wrote: https://www.google.com/search?q=gpx+corner&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=x ev7Upn5IoSMqQGT-IGgBA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=1366&bih=667#q=motorcycl e+corner&tbm=isch nd the rear tire is tracking inside the track of the front tire.. There may be a couple exceptions such as corners that are too sharp for normal tracking... Again, those tracks are made for drifting/countersteering so they will be faster in that mode.. All of 'em. https://www.google.com/search?q=gpx+corner&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=x ev7Upn5IoSMqQGT-IGgBA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=1366&bih=667#q=motorcycl e+corner&tbm=isch Please John, end the madness... Take a second and go to the link above and post a quick link of the motorcycle you see in the first say, half of the page where the front wheel is turned away from the radius and the rear tire is tracking outside the front tire radius... or what you call countersteering. You said all of 'em. Apparently you don't know what countersteering really is.... I've already answered it. They got to where they are by countersteering. They are staying in the turn because they are pushing on the handlebar corresponding to the direction of the turn. Push left, go left. Push right, go right. Here, now you look at something. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivwZ_DEFHrc Bear with him. Here's another - well explained. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlc1bGPTR3c |
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On 2/13/2014 12:16 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:20:32 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 10:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 8:17 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 23:39:23 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 11:22 PM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 8:13 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 19:14:08 -0500, KC wrote: https://www.google.com/search?q=gpx+corner&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=x ev7Upn5IoSMqQGT-IGgBA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=1366&bih=667#q=motorcycl e+corner&tbm=isch nd the rear tire is tracking inside the track of the front tire.. There may be a couple exceptions such as corners that are too sharp for normal tracking... Again, those tracks are made for drifting/countersteering so they will be faster in that mode.. All of 'em. https://www.google.com/search?q=gpx+corner&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=x ev7Upn5IoSMqQGT-IGgBA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=1366&bih=667#q=motorcycl e+corner&tbm=isch Please John, end the madness... Take a second and go to the link above and post a quick link of the motorcycle you see in the first say, half of the page where the front wheel is turned away from the radius and the rear tire is tracking outside the front tire radius... or what you call countersteering. You said all of 'em. Apparently you don't know what countersteering really is.... I've already answered it. They got to where they are by countersteering. They are staying in the turn because they are pushing on the handlebar corresponding to the direction of the turn. Push left, go left. Push right, go right. Here, now you look at something. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivwZ_DEFHrc No question there... I had that save my ass on my CB500 Twin which supposedly had a "Triumph" style front end. I hit a huge chunk of frozen slush and it kicked my tire out so I got loose, and let the thing swing back and fourth till it stood itself back up, I pulled over and cleaned my pants out... literally... I understand the technique completely, no issue there I have a high level of what they call three dimensional comprehension... I actually see the forces of water and gyros, etc in my head when I design, I used to see how water would work around boat hulls when I drew them and where the drag would be etc... Put it in the computer and it was right, used to talk about it a lot with my engineer bud in Gloucester... Anyway, to countersteering (which I believe in:) My only point is I "can" initiate a turn without countersteering by meerely shifting my weight before initiating the turn. At the same time I also understand that in the emergency situation when you don't have time to set up, the countersteer is the only way to start the turn... You see, I get it, but still like the guy in your vid said... "The countersteer initiates the turn, but the gyro effect immediately corrects it"... or you would really be on the pavement... If you are countersteering through the corner (over riding the natural "steering force" tendency to "correct"), you are sliding the back tire sideways and scrubbing off speed.... Bear with him. Here's another - well explained. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlc1bGPTR3c |
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On 2/13/14, 3:29 PM, KC wrote:
I understand the technique completely, no issue there I have a high level of what they call three dimensional comprehension. Wow. You could have been an astronaut! :) -- Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of her house. |
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