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Windows XP end of support
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:58:43 -0500, wrote:
For $200 it comes with a fairly fast processor and Win 7 professional. I suspect it will sell out quickly at that price. I bet off lease W7 machines will be more like $125 -150 soon and Tiger is not usually even the best place to look. === Win7 Pro by itself is worth $80 or more. |
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Windows XP end of support
On 2/10/2014 5:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/10/14, 2:31 AM, wrote: On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 01:08:02 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:58:43 -0500, wrote: For $200 it comes with a fairly fast processor and Win 7 professional. I suspect it will sell out quickly at that price. I bet off lease W7 machines will be more like $125 -150 soon and Tiger is not usually even the best place to look. === Win7 Pro by itself is worth $80 or more. That is not a retail version it is the OEM so it is really not worth that much. They usually call that "logo only" (has a valid 25 digit code sticker) You are probably going to have to reload it. Since there were originally sold as "enterprise" machines, they don't come with the disks a retail customer gets. You may have to buy the disk (~$10). I bought one for my first off lease HP XP machine. It is good because it comes with all the HP drivers. A few years ago, I saw some allegedly new, legit XP CDs at a computer swap meeting. They were $5 to $10. Wouldn't Win 7 be available at the same sales outlets soon at similar prices? I don't keep up with the Windoze OS anymore, but I was going to install Win 7 on my Mac until I saw the OS was fetching $100+ from mail order dealers. If I happen to notice a swap meet in the area, I might stop by and pay up to $10 for a 64-bit Win 7 CD/DVD. I realize my application is somewhat in the minority but I am beginning to wish I had *not* installed Mavericks in my iMac. I am having all kinds of problems making a midi controller work properly for recording purposes. The midi "events" simply instruct the program used to play certain instruments, what note, velocity, etc. I am having problems with the system "hanging", missing event inputs and generally operating in an unstable way. I thought it was me. After a month of trying to make it work properly I have discovered that their are many, many other long term Mac users who are experiencing the same problems, most of whom used previous versions of the Mac OSX with no problems at all. I've scoured the Apple Support forums and, to date, no one has found the "secret" to making Mavericks work with midi in the same, reliable manner that Mountain Lion and previous versions worked. My friend (the recording engineer) has none of these problems with Mountain Lion and is using basically the same type of equipment I have. He was about to upgrade to Mavericks but I suggested to him that he may want to hold off for a while. I tried temporarily hooking everything up to my Win 7 computer. Works fine. I wonder if I can remove Mavericks and re-install Mountain Lion. |
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Windows XP end of support
On 2/10/14, 7:45 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2014 5:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/10/14, 2:31 AM, wrote: On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 01:08:02 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:58:43 -0500, wrote: For $200 it comes with a fairly fast processor and Win 7 professional. I suspect it will sell out quickly at that price. I bet off lease W7 machines will be more like $125 -150 soon and Tiger is not usually even the best place to look. === Win7 Pro by itself is worth $80 or more. That is not a retail version it is the OEM so it is really not worth that much. They usually call that "logo only" (has a valid 25 digit code sticker) You are probably going to have to reload it. Since there were originally sold as "enterprise" machines, they don't come with the disks a retail customer gets. You may have to buy the disk (~$10). I bought one for my first off lease HP XP machine. It is good because it comes with all the HP drivers. A few years ago, I saw some allegedly new, legit XP CDs at a computer swap meeting. They were $5 to $10. Wouldn't Win 7 be available at the same sales outlets soon at similar prices? I don't keep up with the Windoze OS anymore, but I was going to install Win 7 on my Mac until I saw the OS was fetching $100+ from mail order dealers. If I happen to notice a swap meet in the area, I might stop by and pay up to $10 for a 64-bit Win 7 CD/DVD. I realize my application is somewhat in the minority but I am beginning to wish I had *not* installed Mavericks in my iMac. I am having all kinds of problems making a midi controller work properly for recording purposes. The midi "events" simply instruct the program used to play certain instruments, what note, velocity, etc. I am having problems with the system "hanging", missing event inputs and generally operating in an unstable way. I thought it was me. After a month of trying to make it work properly I have discovered that their are many, many other long term Mac users who are experiencing the same problems, most of whom used previous versions of the Mac OSX with no problems at all. I've scoured the Apple Support forums and, to date, no one has found the "secret" to making Mavericks work with midi in the same, reliable manner that Mountain Lion and previous versions worked. My friend (the recording engineer) has none of these problems with Mountain Lion and is using basically the same type of equipment I have. He was about to upgrade to Mavericks but I suggested to him that he may want to hold off for a while. I tried temporarily hooking everything up to my Win 7 computer. Works fine. I wonder if I can remove Mavericks and re-install Mountain Lion. Have you contacted Apple directly via Apple Care? I had a problem getting the built-in wifi on my new little Canon camera to link up consistently with my new iMac. I contacted Apple care last week, an engineer called me, he had a solution that partially worked and said he would escalate the problem to a development team. He called me on Saturday to let me know the "team" sent him an email saying it was working on the problem and might get back to him this week. -- There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol. |
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Windows XP end of support
On 2/10/2014 7:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/10/14, 7:45 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2014 5:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/10/14, 2:31 AM, wrote: On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 01:08:02 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:58:43 -0500, wrote: For $200 it comes with a fairly fast processor and Win 7 professional. I suspect it will sell out quickly at that price. I bet off lease W7 machines will be more like $125 -150 soon and Tiger is not usually even the best place to look. === Win7 Pro by itself is worth $80 or more. That is not a retail version it is the OEM so it is really not worth that much. They usually call that "logo only" (has a valid 25 digit code sticker) You are probably going to have to reload it. Since there were originally sold as "enterprise" machines, they don't come with the disks a retail customer gets. You may have to buy the disk (~$10). I bought one for my first off lease HP XP machine. It is good because it comes with all the HP drivers. A few years ago, I saw some allegedly new, legit XP CDs at a computer swap meeting. They were $5 to $10. Wouldn't Win 7 be available at the same sales outlets soon at similar prices? I don't keep up with the Windoze OS anymore, but I was going to install Win 7 on my Mac until I saw the OS was fetching $100+ from mail order dealers. If I happen to notice a swap meet in the area, I might stop by and pay up to $10 for a 64-bit Win 7 CD/DVD. I realize my application is somewhat in the minority but I am beginning to wish I had *not* installed Mavericks in my iMac. I am having all kinds of problems making a midi controller work properly for recording purposes. The midi "events" simply instruct the program used to play certain instruments, what note, velocity, etc. I am having problems with the system "hanging", missing event inputs and generally operating in an unstable way. I thought it was me. After a month of trying to make it work properly I have discovered that their are many, many other long term Mac users who are experiencing the same problems, most of whom used previous versions of the Mac OSX with no problems at all. I've scoured the Apple Support forums and, to date, no one has found the "secret" to making Mavericks work with midi in the same, reliable manner that Mountain Lion and previous versions worked. My friend (the recording engineer) has none of these problems with Mountain Lion and is using basically the same type of equipment I have. He was about to upgrade to Mavericks but I suggested to him that he may want to hold off for a while. I tried temporarily hooking everything up to my Win 7 computer. Works fine. I wonder if I can remove Mavericks and re-install Mountain Lion. Have you contacted Apple directly via Apple Care? I had a problem getting the built-in wifi on my new little Canon camera to link up consistently with my new iMac. I contacted Apple care last week, an engineer called me, he had a solution that partially worked and said he would escalate the problem to a development team. He called me on Saturday to let me know the "team" sent him an email saying it was working on the problem and might get back to him this week. I have not personally called Apple Care but a number of Mac users on the forums who are experiencing the same problems have indicated that they have. To date, there appears to be no resolution. |
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Windows XP end of support
On 2/10/14, 8:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2014 7:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/10/14, 7:45 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2014 5:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/10/14, 2:31 AM, wrote: On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 01:08:02 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:58:43 -0500, wrote: For $200 it comes with a fairly fast processor and Win 7 professional. I suspect it will sell out quickly at that price. I bet off lease W7 machines will be more like $125 -150 soon and Tiger is not usually even the best place to look. === Win7 Pro by itself is worth $80 or more. That is not a retail version it is the OEM so it is really not worth that much. They usually call that "logo only" (has a valid 25 digit code sticker) You are probably going to have to reload it. Since there were originally sold as "enterprise" machines, they don't come with the disks a retail customer gets. You may have to buy the disk (~$10). I bought one for my first off lease HP XP machine. It is good because it comes with all the HP drivers. A few years ago, I saw some allegedly new, legit XP CDs at a computer swap meeting. They were $5 to $10. Wouldn't Win 7 be available at the same sales outlets soon at similar prices? I don't keep up with the Windoze OS anymore, but I was going to install Win 7 on my Mac until I saw the OS was fetching $100+ from mail order dealers. If I happen to notice a swap meet in the area, I might stop by and pay up to $10 for a 64-bit Win 7 CD/DVD. I realize my application is somewhat in the minority but I am beginning to wish I had *not* installed Mavericks in my iMac. I am having all kinds of problems making a midi controller work properly for recording purposes. The midi "events" simply instruct the program used to play certain instruments, what note, velocity, etc. I am having problems with the system "hanging", missing event inputs and generally operating in an unstable way. I thought it was me. After a month of trying to make it work properly I have discovered that their are many, many other long term Mac users who are experiencing the same problems, most of whom used previous versions of the Mac OSX with no problems at all. I've scoured the Apple Support forums and, to date, no one has found the "secret" to making Mavericks work with midi in the same, reliable manner that Mountain Lion and previous versions worked. My friend (the recording engineer) has none of these problems with Mountain Lion and is using basically the same type of equipment I have. He was about to upgrade to Mavericks but I suggested to him that he may want to hold off for a while. I tried temporarily hooking everything up to my Win 7 computer. Works fine. I wonder if I can remove Mavericks and re-install Mountain Lion. Have you contacted Apple directly via Apple Care? I had a problem getting the built-in wifi on my new little Canon camera to link up consistently with my new iMac. I contacted Apple care last week, an engineer called me, he had a solution that partially worked and said he would escalate the problem to a development team. He called me on Saturday to let me know the "team" sent him an email saying it was working on the problem and might get back to him this week. I have not personally called Apple Care but a number of Mac users on the forums who are experiencing the same problems have indicated that they have. To date, there appears to be no resolution. How about the midi software vendor? If it expects its product to survive, it obvious has to make an update available. -- Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of her house. |
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Windows XP end of support
On 2/10/2014 9:05 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/10/14, 8:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2014 7:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/10/14, 7:45 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2014 5:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/10/14, 2:31 AM, wrote: On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 01:08:02 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:58:43 -0500, wrote: For $200 it comes with a fairly fast processor and Win 7 professional. I suspect it will sell out quickly at that price. I bet off lease W7 machines will be more like $125 -150 soon and Tiger is not usually even the best place to look. === Win7 Pro by itself is worth $80 or more. That is not a retail version it is the OEM so it is really not worth that much. They usually call that "logo only" (has a valid 25 digit code sticker) You are probably going to have to reload it. Since there were originally sold as "enterprise" machines, they don't come with the disks a retail customer gets. You may have to buy the disk (~$10). I bought one for my first off lease HP XP machine. It is good because it comes with all the HP drivers. A few years ago, I saw some allegedly new, legit XP CDs at a computer swap meeting. They were $5 to $10. Wouldn't Win 7 be available at the same sales outlets soon at similar prices? I don't keep up with the Windoze OS anymore, but I was going to install Win 7 on my Mac until I saw the OS was fetching $100+ from mail order dealers. If I happen to notice a swap meet in the area, I might stop by and pay up to $10 for a 64-bit Win 7 CD/DVD. I realize my application is somewhat in the minority but I am beginning to wish I had *not* installed Mavericks in my iMac. I am having all kinds of problems making a midi controller work properly for recording purposes. The midi "events" simply instruct the program used to play certain instruments, what note, velocity, etc. I am having problems with the system "hanging", missing event inputs and generally operating in an unstable way. I thought it was me. After a month of trying to make it work properly I have discovered that their are many, many other long term Mac users who are experiencing the same problems, most of whom used previous versions of the Mac OSX with no problems at all. I've scoured the Apple Support forums and, to date, no one has found the "secret" to making Mavericks work with midi in the same, reliable manner that Mountain Lion and previous versions worked. My friend (the recording engineer) has none of these problems with Mountain Lion and is using basically the same type of equipment I have. He was about to upgrade to Mavericks but I suggested to him that he may want to hold off for a while. I tried temporarily hooking everything up to my Win 7 computer. Works fine. I wonder if I can remove Mavericks and re-install Mountain Lion. Have you contacted Apple directly via Apple Care? I had a problem getting the built-in wifi on my new little Canon camera to link up consistently with my new iMac. I contacted Apple care last week, an engineer called me, he had a solution that partially worked and said he would escalate the problem to a development team. He called me on Saturday to let me know the "team" sent him an email saying it was working on the problem and might get back to him this week. I have not personally called Apple Care but a number of Mac users on the forums who are experiencing the same problems have indicated that they have. To date, there appears to be no resolution. How about the midi software vendor? If it expects its product to survive, it obvious has to make an update available. The software I am currently using is Apple's Garage Band (full version). So, if an update is needed to run on Mavericks, I would think they would be aware of it. According to the forum users, the problem exists in other recording, editing and mixing applications besides Garage Band. Same issues of hanging and missing input events. As previously mentioned, the recording engineer I know is using essentially the same midi devices that I am using but does not have a problem with Mountain Lion. It's not going to go over well if the only resolution is to purchase new software. Pro-Tools is $700 and is probably the most popular among users, both amateur and professional. I think I mentioned that I have a brand new copy of an earlier version of Pro-Tools but I already know it won't run in Mavericks. It *does* run in Mountain Lion and also on a Windows PC. I'd be willing to go back to Mountain Lion if I knew how. Need to check into that. |
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#9
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On 2/10/2014 6:31 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... Have you contacted Apple directly via Apple Care? I had a problem getting the built-in wifi on my new little Canon camera to link up consistently with my new iMac. I contacted Apple care last week, an engineer called me, he had a solution that partially worked and said he would escalate the problem to a development team. He called me on Saturday to let me know the "team" sent him an email saying it was working on the problem and might get back to him this week. I'm beginning to see why the computer-illiterate prefer Apple. Hand-holding. I wonder how many people here with Win systems have talked to or exchanged e-mails with Window tech support. Not me. Me either and I've been using Windows since it came out. Before that I used DOS and "Geo-Works". I am still exploring the Mac world. There are things I like and there are things I either don't like or maybe don't understand yet. One thing is for sure however. The "Mac" world is not as intuitive or problem-free as many of the Apple acolytes would like us all to believe. Other than the issue I am having with recording midi stuff I really haven't had an issue that I couldn't figure out, but it sometimes takes some hunting on the 'net to find the answers. The "help" sections and tutorials built into the Mac are not very specific or helpful. I get the impression sometimes that those who never used a computer or Windows would have an easier time becoming accustom to the Mac world which is maybe why I get tangle footed sometimes. Here's an example. I was trying to set up the 16 channels for midi event inputs last night. There's a window I found that represents the channels as boxes, numbered 1-16. I discovered if you click on the individual boxes, they change color from white to blue but nowhere does it indicate if blue represents "on" or "off". I guess you are just supposed to know this stuff. Wouldn't a check mark for "on" and blank for "off" make more sense? Why white and blue? Beats me. This is after spending an hour even finding the setup window with the boxes for these channels. Nowhere can I find any references to it in the help sections or setup instructions. |
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