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F.O.A.D. February 12th 14 11:31 AM

Windows XP end of support
 
On 2/11/14, 11:38 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 21:52:46 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 8:41 PM,
wrote:

Anyone who wants to be a beta tester is certainly a hobbyist.
Productivity is definitely not their goal.

In my years in the data processing business the most productive shops
were always at least one release behind.



I beta tested on a spare machine.


Like I said, hobbyist.
It does make me wonder how much you contributed to the B test if you
were not actually doing work on it.



Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a
Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the
crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates.
--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

F.O.A.D. February 12th 14 11:50 AM

Windows XP end of support
 
On 2/11/14, 11:35 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 21:51:39 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 8:16 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 16:22:36 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 4:11 PM,
wrote:

I finally gave up on the idea because you are going to be replacing
all the capacitors before you start. I am using commercial in dash
players now and they all suck, including the $1000 one in the Lincoln.


You spent $1000 to get a music player in your car?

Really?

Gosh, I just use a $10 cable to plug an iPhone or iPod into the car stereo.

I guess that Vega you have doesn't have a factory sound system with an
MP3 player, 6 pack CD, Nav and blue tooth to your phone.



Actually, my car has all of that, sans the 6 pack CD player. I prefer
the separate garmin nav device, and I also have 3 nav apps on my iphone,
including garmin usa. My iPhone also has 4000+ tunes on it, a tad more
than you can squeeze onto six CDs.


I don't think we have actually listened to a CD for 10 years but it is
there. This thing has a USB port that will take a 32g thumb drive but
you can get more on a 4g than we usually have in a typical play list.



I can talk to my iphone and it talks back. I don't accept incoming calls
when I am driving, unless it is my wife...and I don't listen to web
casts.


My wife listens to Bob and Tom on the way to work.
It is not broadcast here so she pulls it off the web.
It bluetooths from the phone.

Everything is hands free on the phone if you do take a call.



I think if we were interested in things to do entertainment-wise while
in the car, I'd get an iPad Air and a dash mount. You can even make
phone calls from an iPad using one of several apps, such as Skype. But
we don't often spend more than an hour or two in the car.

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

Poco Loco February 12th 14 01:12 PM

Windows XP end of support
 
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:31:27 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 17:22:24 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 4:45 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:53:09 -0800, Bill McKee
wrote:

On 2/11/14, 7:54 AM,
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 06:55:56 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

That is what you get with the OEM support. Microsoft can give you the
right answer if you have a retail key. The only time I ever talked to
them, they sounded "merican" to me. When I went to Dell (the OEM), I
got "Bob from Bombay" who said I had to reload the system.

The only reason I called in the first place was that was what the only
message I had said to do (registration problems)
I ended up figuring it out myself, like I have done for the rest of
the 30 years I have been running Wintel products..

I used to talk to MS about problems at times. Both ours and theirs, but
the equipment I designed and the test systems, were run on PC's so I was
listed as a developer and got direct connection to engineers and not Bob
of Bombay. Was not bad service. But we also paid money for the privilege.

When I was still working, the best source of information was the old
VM Forums.
I never had a reason to talk to Microsoft about anything.


How wonderful, eh? So therefore you are an expert on Microsoft tech
support! I get it.


If you keep making things up you can always be right.
I clearly stated a couple of times, I only talked to MS support once
and they bl;ew me off because my father in law didn't have a retail
number ... but he did say he had the magic code I could type in to get
past my registration problem if I paid him. It was Dell (the OEM) that
said "reload the system"

I managed to get it going myself without any of that.

I would not have even called them but my FIL wanted me to.


I do understand that doing a "slip" install is the easiest way to fix
corrupted system files tho and if that is what MS told you to do, that
is probably what you had.
That install process only refreshes the files and leaves your
configuration alone.
I just did one a couple days ago because it triggers a complete update
from SP3 (the version I used) and I wanted all of those files in one
place from a clean load.
I would still like to see SP4.


I remember that ****! I called one of the support folks, don't remember where, and it was $25 and he
would stay until the problem is fixed. I figured by the time they said that they already knew the
answer and figured they'd get the money for 15 seconds of work.

Never paid it. Figured I'd spend all day on the problem rather than pay someone $25 to fix it over
the phone.


Hank February 12th 14 03:20 PM

Windows XP end of support
 
On 2/12/2014 6:31 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 11:38 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 21:52:46 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 8:41 PM,
wrote:

Anyone who wants to be a beta tester is certainly a hobbyist.
Productivity is definitely not their goal.

In my years in the data processing business the most productive shops
were always at least one release behind.



I beta tested on a spare machine.


Like I said, hobbyist.
It does make me wonder how much you contributed to the B test if you
were not actually doing work on it.



Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a
Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the
crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates.


How much did that job pay?

Hank February 12th 14 03:21 PM

Windows XP end of support
 
On 2/11/2014 9:53 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 8:57 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 8:16 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 16:22:36 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 4:11 PM,
wrote:

I finally gave up on the idea because you are going to be replacing
all the capacitors before you start. I am using commercial in dash
players now and they all suck, including the $1000 one in the Lincoln.


You spent $1000 to get a music player in your car?

Really?

Gosh, I just use a $10 cable to plug an iPhone or iPod into the car
stereo.

I guess that Vega you have doesn't have a factory sound system with an
MP3 player, 6 pack CD, Nav and blue tooth to your phone.
Take a ride in your wife's car sometime.
A grand is really not much for the entertainment system upgrade on a
nice car.
If I was an Apple guy I would say it was free since it was bundled in
the price of a trim package in the Lincoln but that unit was $900 and
change if you put it in your F150.


Can you talk to your Ipod (and does it listen?). Does it mute and
switch over to the phone on command or when you have an incoming call?
Does it bluetooth to your smart phone so you can listen to web casts?


Hold on for a bit there Gregg. He has to check with AppleCare. :-)





I'm not adverse to getting good quality tech support when I need it. I'm
not, after all, a Luddite. :)

Real men don't ask for directions.

Hank February 12th 14 03:23 PM

Windows XP end of support
 
On 2/11/2014 10:00 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 9:53 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 8:57 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 8:16 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 16:22:36 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 4:11 PM,
wrote:

I finally gave up on the idea because you are going to be replacing
all the capacitors before you start. I am using commercial in dash
players now and they all suck, including the $1000 one in the
Lincoln.


You spent $1000 to get a music player in your car?

Really?

Gosh, I just use a $10 cable to plug an iPhone or iPod into the car
stereo.

I guess that Vega you have doesn't have a factory sound system with an
MP3 player, 6 pack CD, Nav and blue tooth to your phone.
Take a ride in your wife's car sometime.
A grand is really not much for the entertainment system upgrade on a
nice car.
If I was an Apple guy I would say it was free since it was bundled in
the price of a trim package in the Lincoln but that unit was $900 and
change if you put it in your F150.

Can you talk to your Ipod (and does it listen?). Does it mute and
switch over to the phone on command or when you have an incoming call?
Does it bluetooth to your smart phone so you can listen to web casts?


Hold on for a bit there Gregg. He has to check with AppleCare. :-)





I'm not adverse to getting good quality tech support when I need it. I'm
not, after all, a Luddite. :)


At least you have a sense of humor, a quality that is becoming somewhat
extinct now-a-days.


Really? I mean REALLY?

Hank February 12th 14 03:36 PM

Windows XP end of support
 
On 2/12/2014 6:12 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
KC wrote:
On 2/11/2014 7:56 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 19:31:13 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 6:56 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/11/2014 4:17 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:07:28 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 10:54 AM,
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 06:55:56 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the
highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

That is what you get with the OEM support. Microsoft can give you the
right answer if you have a retail key.

Oh, right. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, that was my experience with my retail keyed
Windozes.

I did get more help when I was a Microsoft Windoze beta tester.

You must have just been your same charming self you are here and they
****ed you.


Yeah, we all remember when he got that beta version of windows weeks
before all the other registered beta testers got theirs... snerk

How would *you* know what categories of beta testers MS had at the time,
and when they got their distros? Answer: you wouldn't know.

Harry, you bragged about it for quite some time, like you do your
filters, if you know what I mean.


Yes he did. I remember because a friend was at school getting his CNE and
we were talking about it. He was a real Microsoft Beta tester which meant
he went to a convention and paid the 300 bucks....:)


The uninformed shall inherit the earth.

Seems t be working out that way.

KC February 12th 14 03:38 PM

Windows XP end of support
 
On 2/12/2014 10:20 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/12/2014 6:31 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 11:38 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 21:52:46 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 8:41 PM,
wrote:

Anyone who wants to be a beta tester is certainly a hobbyist.
Productivity is definitely not their goal.

In my years in the data processing business the most productive shops
were always at least one release behind.



I beta tested on a spare machine.

Like I said, hobbyist.
It does make me wonder how much you contributed to the B test if you
were not actually doing work on it.



Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a
Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the
crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates.


How much did that job pay?


You can get that by going to a Windows Conference or Convention.. Cost
my bud 300 bucks for the day and lectures, and he got software from them
to "beta test". I remember the business package or net package I think
it might have been win 2000 that our buddy here said he got about a
month before my friend got it... weeks before it came out..:)

F.O.A.D. February 12th 14 04:31 PM

Windows XP end of support
 
On 2/12/14, 11:25 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 06:50:19 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 11:35 PM,
wrote:


My wife listens to Bob and Tom on the way to work.
It is not broadcast here so she pulls it off the web.
It bluetooths from the phone.

Everything is hands free on the phone if you do take a call.



I think if we were interested in things to do entertainment-wise while
in the car, I'd get an iPad Air and a dash mount. You can even make
phone calls from an iPad using one of several apps, such as Skype. But
we don't often spend more than an hour or two in the car.


I don't think she was interested in duct taping some other piece of
hardware to the dash and having cables running around.
There is something to be said about a clean factory installed unit.



I'm sure among the next iterations will be a blue tooth connect to the
car speakers. And there are some nice looking mounts I've seen that help
avoid the duct tape look. Not anything that concerns us, though, since
we aren't much into in-car entertainment or calls to or from the driver.

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

Mr. Luddite February 12th 14 04:41 PM

Windows XP end of support
 
On 2/12/2014 11:31 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/12/14, 11:25 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 06:50:19 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 11:35 PM,
wrote:


My wife listens to Bob and Tom on the way to work.
It is not broadcast here so she pulls it off the web.
It bluetooths from the phone.

Everything is hands free on the phone if you do take a call.



I think if we were interested in things to do entertainment-wise while
in the car, I'd get an iPad Air and a dash mount. You can even make
phone calls from an iPad using one of several apps, such as Skype. But
we don't often spend more than an hour or two in the car.


I don't think she was interested in duct taping some other piece of
hardware to the dash and having cables running around.
There is something to be said about a clean factory installed unit.



I'm sure among the next iterations will be a blue tooth connect to the
car speakers. And there are some nice looking mounts I've seen that help
avoid the duct tape look. Not anything that concerns us, though, since
we aren't much into in-car entertainment or calls to or from the driver.



I don't even listen to the radio when driving. I find it distracting.
Someone in my family gave me a Sirius receiver back when I was making
the long drives back and forth to Florida. I think I used it once for
about an hour before shutting it off and never bothered with it again.

The very rare times that I drive any distance I much prefer to watch the
scenery or what's happening around the vehicle. Weird, but that's the
way it is.




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