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A real dirt bike...
On 2/12/2014 5:23 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 17:07:52 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 4:57 PM, Bill McKee wrote: On 2/12/14, 1:46 PM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 4:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/12/2014 4:10 PM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 3:36 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/12/2014 3:05 PM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 2:47 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:59:51 -0500, HanK wrote: On 2/12/2014 11:37 AM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 11:23 AM, HanK wrote: On 2/12/2014 10:40 AM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 10:31 AM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 10:04 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/12/2014 9:36 AM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 9:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/12/2014 8:09 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:27:03 -0500, Earl__ wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html No steering unless that rowboat has a bow thruster. That boat is a high technology marvel incorporating 'eyeball sensormatic rotational assist'. Where you look is where you go. A sign on the bow says, "Don't look at women when operating this vessel." Sometimes the sign gets torn away. When I was a kid I had a 12' aluminum boat with a little 3hp outboard. I'd tighten the tension on the steering so the motor wouldn't move, sit in the middle seat and steer just by leaning towards one side or the other. Worked fine in large ponds. Somebody said "like a motorcycle"... But if you simply lean a motorcycle and don't turn the wheel, it will still go straight... Just sayin'. No, you have to tip the boat. Speaking of motorcycles, ever try this? Ride going straight ahead and push your *left* handlebar forward gently and see which way you turn. Then try with the *right* handlebar. Yeah, that's how she takes every turn... Reverse steer. Add in breaking loose the rear tire and you are starting to have some fun however, if you do though, you are losing time going sideways instead of forward  Just reread that... I should say she counter steers when the suspension or body position is off... But it's not the fastest way around the track... What is the fastest way around the track? Ok, the fastest way involves being efficient in the corners. If you are countersteering n a corner, you are standing the bike too high, and the drive wheel is not taking the shortest distance around the corner. In racing terms, you blew out the birm.. It's not efficient to have that back tire way out there cause then it takes time to bring it back... How can you be efficient in the corners? Balance.. Keep both tires in as close to the same radius as the other. You want the front tire pointing as close to the direction of thrust from the rear tire as possible. If you are "countersteering" you are losing forward thrust and burning off forward thrust... Geeze. I'll never enjoy a warm summer evening cruise down to the Cape again. :-) Sure you will. Like you said you are not racing... I said before I get the whole thing about getting into a corner and even counter steering. The looser you are, the more you do it too.... but it's still not the most efficient way to make a corner... You guys are all supposed to be sailors.. Draw the thing out and draw out the thrust and resistance lines... you will see what I am talking about... Anyway, I have a good drawing that I can put up later. For now I will say there are a couple other things we do to make the bike corner better. One in particular is to gently pull the front brake in and dip the front end which shortens the turning radius and increases the angle of the front suspension more upright to turn.. (more like a tricycle)... Even dipping the front end a couple inches reduces the bike length by as much as an inch and can change the rake of the front end 8-10 degrees... But again, you are not racing. If I was you I would be countersteering all the way to the beach. I know how good it feels and I wouldn't be "racing" on the street anyway Phew. I was getting worried there. It's sorta hard to steer a 850lb Harley with the back tire. Even if I could, it would probably be the last turn I ever made. Yup... Imagine so. I had times where I slid my Honda into a countersteer slide when I was younger. Never intentionally though It was half theweight of your bike too... Hell, no wonder I did not win every race with my Vette. I was drifting corners at times. The old Laguna Course, turn 2 was always able to go faster than you figured as the apex of the corner started up hill. Loading the suspension and increasing traction. Turn 3 was a very highspeed turn and you drifted it at about 130 mph. Here's my point... You drifted that corner at 130, scrubbing forward speed off in the drift... How about I come behind you in a formula racer that can take the corner without countersteering and breaking traction.. how fast do you think that car might make that corner with all the hp pushing it forward?? There's no such thing as 'countersteering' an automobile. Sure, it's called "drifting"... |
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