On 2/12/14, 2:07 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/12/2014 4:57 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/12/14, 1:46 PM, KC wrote:
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:59:51 -0500, HanK
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On 2/12/2014 11:37 AM, KC wrote:
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On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:27:03 -0500, Earl__
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim
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On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H.
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On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:
On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6,
F.O.A.D.
wrote:
I'd love to have one of these...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA
how about something like this?
http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/
Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war.
"Goose" probably tries something like that too, but
this is
French,
and the French at that time were known to be great
tinkerers,
with
results to match.
Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi
*could*
have
made during the war. Something
like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4
Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating
content)
http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html
No steering unless that rowboat has a bow thruster.
That boat is a high technology marvel incorporating
'eyeball
sensormatic rotational assist'. Where
you look is where you go. A sign on the bow says, "Don't
look at
women
when operating this vessel."
Sometimes the sign gets torn away.
When I was a kid I had a 12' aluminum boat with a little
3hp
outboard.
I'd tighten the tension on the steering so the motor
wouldn't
move,
sit
in the middle seat and steer just by leaning towards one
side
or the
other. Worked fine in large ponds.
Somebody said "like a motorcycle"... But if you simply
lean a
motorcycle
and don't turn the wheel, it will still go straight... Just
sayin'.
No, you have to tip the boat. Speaking of motorcycles, ever
try
this?
Ride going straight ahead and push your *left* handlebar
forward
gently
and see which way you turn. Then try with the *right*
handlebar.
Yeah, that's how she takes every turn... Reverse steer. Add in
breaking
loose the rear tire and you are starting to have some fun
however, if
you do though, you are losing time going sideways instead of
forward
Just reread that... I should say she counter steers when the
suspension
or body position is off... But it's not the fastest way around
the
track...
What is the fastest way around the track?
Ok, the fastest way involves being efficient in the corners. If
you
are
countersteering n a corner, you are standing the bike too high,
and
the
drive wheel is not taking the shortest distance around the
corner. In
racing terms, you blew out the birm.. It's not efficient to have
that
back tire way out there cause then it takes time to bring it
back...
How can you be efficient in the corners?
Balance.. Keep both tires in as close to the same radius as the
other.
You want the front tire pointing as close to the direction of thrust
from the rear tire as possible. If you are "countersteering" you are
losing forward thrust and burning off forward thrust...
Geeze. I'll never enjoy a warm summer evening cruise down to the
Cape
again. :-)
Sure you will. Like you said you are not racing... I said before I get
the whole thing about getting into a corner and even counter steering.
The looser you are, the more you do it too.... but it's still not the
most efficient way to make a corner...
You guys are all supposed to be sailors.. Draw the thing out and draw
out the thrust and resistance lines... you will see what I am talking
about...
Anyway, I have a good drawing that I can put up later. For now I will
say there are a couple other things we do to make the bike corner
better. One in particular is to gently pull the front brake in and dip
the front end which shortens the turning radius and increases the
angle
of the front suspension more upright to turn.. (more like a
tricycle)...
Even dipping the front end a couple inches reduces the bike length
by as
much as an inch and can change the rake of the front end 8-10
degrees...
But again, you are not racing. If I was you I would be countersteering
all the way to the beach. I know how good it feels and I wouldn't be
"racing" on the street anyway
Phew. I was getting worried there. It's sorta hard to steer a 850lb
Harley with the back tire. Even if I could, it would probably be the
last turn I ever made.
Yup... Imagine so. I had times where I slid my Honda into a countersteer
slide when I was younger. Never intentionally though It was half the
weight of your bike too...
Hell, no wonder I did not win every race with my Vette. I was drifting
corners at times. The old Laguna Course, turn 2 was always able to go
faster than you figured as the apex of the corner started up hill.
Loading the suspension and increasing traction. Turn 3 was a very
highspeed turn and you drifted it at about 130 mph.
Here's my point... You drifted that corner at 130, scrubbing forward
speed off in the drift... How about I come behind you in a formula racer
that can take the corner without countersteering and breaking traction..
how fast do you think that car might make that corner with all the hp
pushing it forward??
Different vehicle. it would be drifting at a much higher speed.
Coefficient of friction for an F1 car is probably 1.75 to 2 all the down
force adding to the apparent weight of the car, without a Mass increase,
adding to the traction. Is a major reason F1 racing is not as exciting
as a lot of other racing. No passing really. If another car gets close
enough to a good running car, the airflow is corrupted and the car loses
down force. Not being able to make the turn. And the Horsepower is
close enough that you can not pass on a straightaway. How fast could
the same car make the turn without drifting is the real question.
Slower than the drifting car normally. And horsepower is not the
answer. Only so much of the horsepower is usable at any time. A long
straightaway is the only place where the excess HP can actually be used.
When you hit the red line on a Straightaway, you are maxing out HP
usefulness. Why do you always see Sprint Cars on a dirt track on
straight to the track? Because they are drifting and putting the drive
force at the best angle to drive the the fastest around the corner. If
your bike had enough HP spin the wheels anytime, you would have tires
with a very aggressive grip trying to drive that bike at the best angle
to the turn to go faster around the turn. Not just trying the perfect
non slip line through the turn.